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aiken 06-20-2005 09:01 AM

Gonzales: child sex video chat LEGAL
 
Gotta love ideologues who will actually allow people to mess with children just so they have a tool to advance their agenda.

From http://www.wftv.com/technology/4554266/detail.html by way of http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050619-5013.html:

Quote:

Inside the chat rooms, not only were men trying to meet children or even take them away from home to run away, the station found countless adult men using Web cameras to send children in the room lewd pictures or display live nude images of themselves.

However, the nation's top law enforcement officers said it is all legal.

"Short of changes in the law in Congress, we may be limited about what we can do in this area," U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said.
Cheers
-b

Cassie 06-20-2005 09:11 AM

wow :Oh crap

polish_aristocrat 06-20-2005 09:11 AM

Bump for Headless & BVF lol

Tanker 06-20-2005 09:27 AM

Damn I always wondered why those room existed and were not shut down.

anytime you go to a provider of chat and they let people create thier own chat rooms you end up having shit like this!


I am glad to see the advertisers pull thier ads untill its cleaned up this is one of the places that gives us as legitimate Adult entertainment companies a bad name.

Tanker 06-20-2005 09:29 AM

It all gets lumped in with us and even though its wrong and we are not part of it we still get tied to it

smack 06-20-2005 09:29 AM

"Short of changes in the law in Congress," Hint Hint.....

ronaldo 06-20-2005 09:30 AM

Simply more proof that the DOJ has no real interest in protecting children.

How many children is he going to protect with the new 2257 regs? Zero.

How many children COULD he save if he spent the time and effort to go after the REAL problem, like those that frequent yahoo chatrooms? I can only imagine.

mockingbich 06-20-2005 10:31 AM

Gonzalez will probably be on the SUPREME COURT

Already in Washington rumors are swirling that current Attorney General Alberto Gonzales may be under serious consideration for the empty slot left vacant after one of the sitting justices is elevated to fill Rehnquist's role.. "You look at what he hasn't done in his few months at Justice," says a former White House staffer, "and it makes you think he's really been looking ahead and trying to keep as clear from controversy as he can."
http://www.americanprowler.com/dsp_a...sp?art_id=8209

kernelpanic 06-20-2005 10:33 AM

WHAT THE FUCK


Fucking hypocrite. Apparently they can overstep their authority to hassle legitimate webmasters, but can't do a thing when it comes to actually protecing children.


Oh wait, Yahoo is big enough so that its not a bully target. Makes perfect sense :rolleyes:

DWB 06-20-2005 10:36 AM

Are you really surprised? They don't give a flying fuck about the childred because if they did, they would go after real child porn and not break our balls for running legit sites.

jollyperv 06-20-2005 10:42 AM

They'll get their comeupance, soon enough. All these fucks.

crockett 06-20-2005 10:58 AM

You know this will end the adult stuff on yahoo don't yea..

crockett 06-20-2005 11:01 AM

btw they so fucking owned Gonzales ass on this part

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Gonzales told the station he can't use the laws now on the books to shut down Yahoo!'s child sex site. But back in 2002, the station broke the story when federal officials shut down a Web site called "Candyman" with those existing laws."

Gawdy 06-20-2005 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by smack
"Short of changes in the law in Congress," Hint Hint.....

Exactly :Oh crap

aiken 06-20-2005 01:53 PM

I just don't get how anyone can take DOJ seriously at this point; they are so obviously only operating for political gain, and with no real concern about kids, legality, due process, etc. At some point, hopefully people will get tired of it.

jonesy 06-20-2005 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aiken
I just don't get how anyone can take DOJ seriously at this point; they are so obviously only operating for political gain, and with no real concern about kids, legality, due process, etc. At some point, hopefully people will get tired of it.

the DOJ always takes the easiest targets.

90% of americans are ignorant and dont care or just go along with the DOJ because coming up with their own evaluations on ANY subject is just another thing to think about

the GOV capitalizes on the stupidty of people and on the knee jerk reaction to the words porn and cp so when a headline reads "we got a c pornographer"
i makes them look good and society nods in approval.

smoke, mirrors and corporate greed.

Matt 26z 06-20-2005 02:15 PM

Get a grip people.

Gonzales is pretty much saying that he can't enforce laws that don't exist. What do you want him to do?

Let's use some common sense here. It'll be nearly impossible to create a law banning such chatrooms.

It would have to be a law that made illegal talking about certain things online with or without the intent to actually follow through in-person.

So now suddenly if someone on GFY says "I'd fuck a 16yo," you could be arrested for posting that here.

That's why no such law exists.

dopeman 06-20-2005 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z
Get a grip people.

Gonzales is pretty much saying that he can't enforce laws that don't exist. What do you want him to do?

Let's use some common sense here. It'll be nearly impossible to create a law banning such chatrooms.

It would have to be a law that made illegal talking about certain things online with or without the intent to actually follow through in-person.

So now suddenly if someone on GFY says "I'd fuck a 16yo," you could be arrested for posting that here.

That's why no such law exists.

so maybe he'll make that argument to start changing laws in congress. heard about any 'child protection' laws being discussed lately?

aiken 06-20-2005 02:37 PM

Quote:

Gonzales is pretty much saying that he can't enforce laws that don't exist.
That's exactly what he's saying: that laws against, say, luring a minor to run away and have sex don't exist. Funny, I could swear that I've seen plenty of prosecutions in that area. Heck, what about the catchall "child endangerment" that gets used (justifiably) with some frequency.

The problem isn't that the laws don't exist. The problem is that the laws that *do* exist aren't sufficiently draconian for Gonzales' taste, and he's essentially refusing to do his job and protect children unless Congress passes laws that *do* give him the wide ranging police powers that he wants.

Plenty of *local* cops have made busts by hanging out in pedophilia-centric rooms in sting operations. For the US Attorney General to say that his hands are tied in this case is the worst form of political opportunism.

Cheers
-b

chadglni 06-20-2005 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by aiken
That's exactly what he's saying: that laws against, say, luring a minor to run away and have sex don't exist. Funny, I could swear that I've seen plenty of prosecutions in that area. Heck, what about the catchall "child endangerment" that gets used (justifiably) with some frequency.

The problem isn't that the laws don't exist. The problem is that the laws that *do* exist aren't sufficiently draconian for Gonzales' taste, and he's essentially refusing to do his job and protect children unless Congress passes laws that *do* give him the wide ranging police powers that he wants.

Plenty of *local* cops have made busts by hanging out in pedophilia-centric rooms in sting operations. For the US Attorney General to say that his hands are tied in this case is the worst form of political opportunism.

Cheers
-b

They don't bust the people chatting, they bust the ones trying to lure kids away to kidnap them.

aiken 06-20-2005 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadglni
They don't bust the people chatting, they bust the ones trying to lure kids away to kidnap them.

Quote:

...not only were men trying to meet children or even take them away from home to run away... However, the nation's top law enforcement officers said it is all legal.
Apparently they're not all that interested in either the people engaging in webcam sex with children or those luring them to real-life meetings.

Cheers
-b


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