An Affiliate wants my model's phone number
 

I just had an affiliate email saying he needs the models' full name, address and phone numbers to be 2257 compliant. This guy hasn't sent a sale and isn't even American. I hope he just is an innocent un-informed webmaster that doesn't know better. The reality is this is what is so damn scary about this law. We have to protect our models not put them in harms way.

It was a russian guy wasn't it shap.

well if you dont know him i htink that you shouldnt give it to him.

I wouldn't give that

There isn't a chance in hell I'd give it to him. I think companies that have decided to freely hand out ids should think long and hard about what they are doing.

affiliate ask for info...
site releases info...
affilate gets info...
affiliate = surfer...
surfer = killer/rapist (sometimes both)
model found dead in a van down by the river

:helpme

Sad but it is reality. Shap what worries me is ( barring an injuction or change to current law) in 6months when things calm down a bit and people are a little more relaxed with the info ( as I am certain will happen in some cases) , or programs get desperate again to provide, provide, provide this is when we will start to see issues like this turn into something more.

I'm sure the email you received was an innocent, but I think this is just a preview of whats to come.

have a good one.

Mack I agree 100% with you. Good post. :thumbsup

Government blames porn
and porn is banned

A good point that got made at the FSC meeting in San Diego this weekend:

- Don't give your records to any "Secondary Producers" without having them first sign confidentiality agreements, etc.

Give him the phone number to the office of the DOJ. See how quickly he freaks out.
WG

A legitment webmaster should be able to produce a valid ID and phone interview.

Good hearing you on the panel this past week :thumbsup

that whole scenario would be blamed on the industry as a whole.

The spinners in Washington are sick fucks.

Dont do it.

It is almost as if the government is setting this up.....

Which content company makes you do this???

I´m going to need that number aswell..and a picture of her pussy..just to be safe

I don't know why some people already think this guy is a SURFER FOR SURE?!

No doubt that ids and a phone interview will scare some of the bad folks away however how many will not be freightened and how many will be fake ids?
How will a confidentiality agreement prevent anything bad from happening?
How will you be able to distinguish the bad guy when you've given it to 1000 webmasters?
When the first 'bad' thing happens - hopefully it's not a death but who becomes liable - the sponsor that gave it to the 'webmaster/surfer/rapist/stalker/serial killer'? the producer that gave it to the sponsor? or the DOJ that came up with this cockameny idea in the first place?

we do not it is just alarming, when was the last time your phone number was on a government issued ID???? ohhh short of NEVER!!!

Just give out info to everyone... who cares who they are... then when we see a lot of pornchicks being stalked or raped etc etc maybe then the media might do a piece about this new LAW! ehheeh NOTTTTT, you're all fucked suckas!!!

laugh at him and cancel his affiliate account

Give him this number: 867 5309

:)

I'd give him the boot.

#1 That is too much info.
#2 It's not even June 23 yet.
#3 He sends you NO business.
#4 See #3....

OH SHIT! Thanks!

Yet another reason why programs should take the new 2257 as an opportunity to get geared more towards driving in-house traffic.

Ok the 2257 rules do not say you need the models adress or phone # so he can shove that shit up his ass. Tell him to learn to fucking READ or get a lawyer to explain it to him.

Exactly what we've been concentrating on for more than a year now :winkwink:

Hey Shap... I just shot off an email to you. Don't know if you have any filters but if you do look for an email from DP Photography.

I need a model's ID and phone number. :1orglaugh

He is probably reading all the posts here and thinks he needs it.

I would rather change my affiliate status to paysite owner then be anyones secondary producer and hold records on content I don't own or didn't shoot.

Damn, and I didn't even get around to trying to convince you to involve me in that... :(

You just gotta love all the affiliates asking for stuff like that... or telling you they dont wanna spend 150 an hr and just want some quick legal advice...

Exactamundo.

The new 2257 is a disaster waiting to happen.

Maybe the gub-ment isn't so stupid after all (i.e. this is a good way to destroy porn online). If they are willing to sacrifice a few thousand soldiers to liberate Iraq surely they'd sacrifice a few porn starlets to ban XXX for good?

2257 does NOT require that a producer get any other information than the models' name, AKAs and a photo ID.

It does NOT require any other contact information be provided. No telephone numbers and no addresses.

If any affiliate asks you for this information they are more than likely trying to scam it out of you or they are totally ignorant and can't read the 2257 regs.

Just DON'T do it!

Maybe the programs that are forced to hand out id's ( yes there are a few that feel there is no other way) should require from the affiliate.

Name
copy of D/L
copy of Electric Bill
and the name and number of their legal counsel.

After the above info is verified then MAYBE they can think about giving id's to productive affiliates with a long term relationship with their program.

The requirement of verifiable legal counsel will keep the hobby webmaster and stalkers away with a greater degree of success.

All others can use softcore and FHG's that wont cause the need for them to obtain and hold any records.


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Stalkers already taking advanged of the 2257 laws? :helpme :Oh crap

shappppppppppp

approve my twistyscash account pleaseee :winkwink:

Hey give him my number, I will charge him for phone sex, lol

No...I wouldn't give that out!
If, the models want to keep working and make money...it looks like they will also have to take care of a few thing's too! Cell Phone #, and maybe a P.O. Box Addy, would add a litltle safety :-)
If, I was a popular porn goddess, I would have an alarm, shot-gun and some mace!

Good point, why in the hell would he need the phone number to be compliant? Definately a surfer.

There is *NO* reason why he should have her phone number, ever.

Bingo, 2257 is total BS!!!! :mad: No way in hell it is going to cut down on the Russian fucks plastering all the CP shit around.

DON'T GIVE OUT MODELS' PERSONAL INFORMATION!

Common sense .. don't do it

Anyone that thinks they need to promote your site with hardcore needs their head examined.. No hardcore.. No 2257 secondary producer record keeping required.. People need to actually use that grey matter in their skull..

If he hasn't sent you a sale, drop him.

;)

J.

i would think more than likely rather than being rapists or stalkers or whatever, these are competitors using the new law to try to poach your models

It's interesting seeing the 2257 debate on releasing of crucial information to prove a model is over the age of 18 years. Especially when congress is discussing measures to help 'protect' Americans better from identity theft. Couple that with the 'revelation' that the biggest area of growth for identity theft is online. Seems like another amazing government contridiction, huh?

The identification information should only be released to those legitimate affiliates you conduct business with. A confidentiality agreement is a good touch. If you have any doubts or questions about their legitimacy or are afraid to release the info, have them go to text links. If you are certain they are stakers or someone trying to take advantage of a shitty system, have them send you their ID and forward them the phone number of NAMBLA.

I've had same shit happen from some dude from Spain.

He is a fan more than a webmaster, and yeah. Scary. Needless to say, answer's no. As in no reply.

:pimp

Same's happened. Some foo from Spain. More fan trying to come off as webmaster.

:pimp

The new 2257 sucks for everyone!