Looking for sites paysites to review...
 

Now that the script is finally complete for pilesofporn.com , we are looking for some sites to add to the review library. I'm looking for sites of all niches (if there's no niche there for it yet, it will be added). The top 10 sites will be always listed in the top 10, and the last 10 reviews will be featured on the site.

The site is operational (aside from some top menu links & traffic script that will be added), but not currently being fed any traffic. In the next month or so, I will begin the traffic campaigns. My only reason for waiting is that I need to fill the database with reviews...hence what I need the help of you site owners for!

The reviews will be brutally honest, so if your site isn't up to par, then don't expect a high review. I have a few sample reviews up so that you can get an idea of what I'm looking for, what I base reviews on and how I will dissect your sites.

All that I ask is that you have an affiliate program, you provide me a login for a 2 week period (so that I have time to review your site fairly or place in a queue), and that you CONSIDER linking back to your review if it is a favorable one. Afterall, the link backs will provide your surfers with an unbiased review, and it'll hopefully persuade them to join!

Please contact me via ICQ or at webmaster [@] shermsshack [dot] com.

Thanks all! :thumbsup

YO Sherm!

How ya been bro? I have a few sites that I'll send your way for review.. I'll hit you up with the info tomorrow homie.

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Awesome - would love to have my site reviewed. I'll hit you up tomorrow with a pass and all the info! :)

check out www.AdultLounge.com

Hit me up on ICQ and I'll let you into our sites. (PayServe)

Excellent Adrian! Will I see you in SD this time around?

Vanilla.. Hit me up tomorrow!

Raffi... I'd be glad to give some of the sites a review over the next couple weeks. Please email me and provide a temp login and some time to go through them.

Kingpins... I'll hit you up tomorrow afternoon. :thumbsup

Gonna skip SD this year.. I have family coming in from Denmark that I'm going to show around, we'll actually be stopping by Vegas.. maybe we can meet up.

I'll be in FL & MX for sure

What the fuck are you going to show them in New Mexico? The adobe styled supermarkets and rampant cactus problem? :1orglaugh

If you make it to Vegas, I'd better get a phone call!

sherm,
i'll submit my site for a review.
i'll hit you up on icq...to set you up with a pass to my site.

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Good times my good friend.. but I don't want to pull this thread too far off topic.

I have 6 sites I'd like you to review.. I'll send the URLs and program info tomorrow..

Thanks for being so professional and getting it back on track. I'll be looking for those logins tomorrow :)

:2 cents:
Have your guy add subdomains for each review.
Will help you 1000% over time
:2 cents:

Great idea... I'll shoot that to the programmer and have him get in touch with the server administrator.. I'm a complete tool with the tech aspect. :(

Thanks bro. :thumbsup

Hitting you up now :)

-Loki-

NP . If you want to be super pimped add a rss feed.
I would like to talk to you some more and will have some "sites" for you to add in a bit.. Email me your icq to *******************

Only sites with an affiliate program?!? How can your reviews be unbiased if right from the start you set that as a criteria? You are basically just trying to make a buck.

Somehow I get the impression that you are not planning to tell the surfers that you are making money off of your "unbiased" reviews.

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Hey Sherm,

I set you up with a username/password for http://stripperfriends.com
Check you mail!

I don't want to start a pissing match but have you looked at ANY other review sites? they ALL (pretty much) ask for affil programs first.

You think people WANT to work for free? this is a biz after all right??

and how is it biased if a reviewer makes a kickback from a good or bad review? it's thier traffic going to the paysite, thus in a way a review site is like an affil

-Loki-

That's the general idea, yes.

Thanks for missing my point...it's one thing to try and make money, but to pass yourself off as an unbiased review site when in fact you only review sites that you can make referral dollars off of seems just a little disingenious (especially when you don't tell surfers that the site only exists for you to make a quick buck).

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Are you serious?

Yes, I plan to make a buck, but if a site is suckass, I will say it is suckass...Just with my referral code.

Why not have potential compensation for something you put time into? Some surfers will join something with a bad rating just to see how tough your criteria is. Read a random review and you will see that I do point out downsides to each and every site reviewed.

99% of review sites have this same criteria. 99% of the honest review sites have ratios around 1:75. Why is that? Because the surfers trust the reviewer. This isn't my first time around the block, and I know that the first step when trying to sell a surfer on reviews is to earn their trust through trustworthy reviews.

As long as you are telling the surfers that you are making a buck no matter how good or bad your reviews are, that's fine with me.

When you hide that fact, and fail to tell them that you do not review sites which you can't make a buck off of, that smacks of deceptiveness and dishonesty (the same would be true if you gave bad reviews to companies that do not help you line your pocket).

Legitimate food and movie/entertainment reviewers do not take kickbacks. Why? Because to do so compromises their integrity. Where is the integrity in reviewing only sites that provide you with referral money?

If you want to do a review site that is primarily intended for you to make referral money from, then say so upfront, otherwise you are running a shady money making scheme operation in my opinion (although I am coming to doubt that you have a problem with putting money before integrity - it seems to be a common trend in the adult biz).

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Dont' hate the player my friend, hate the game. Perhaps you should spend more of your time developing an affiliate program rather than hating on well established members of our industry.

Last time I checked business was about earning a living, and if you think moviefone & other entertainment services do not take kickbacks you're not looking closely enough.

Hi Sherm,
All the SkinTraffic sites can be reviewed...all original content in each one.
Get me on icq and i'll get you a pass...I'm in your list..JJ

What should I tell the surfers? "Hello... My name is Sherm. I spent time writing a 2 page review about a site, but please feel free to just type in the domain if you don't want to join through my referral code". Just like webmasters, they will skip clicking the link so that no money can be made for another person. Another thing that surfers may do (the same way I got in this business when I was 18), is to follow the webmaster link on the porn page, signup for the affiliate program and use my own ref code to join the site. Not all surfers are stupid, and hardly any surfers want to line the pockets of webmasters. How would you propose that I tell surfers that I am using a referral code?

My lowest rated reviews are the sites that are offering me the most money per signup. I'd hardly think there is anything deceptive there. I'm being 100% honest with these reviews, and that won't change.

"Legitimate food and movie/entertainment reviewers do not take kickbacks.".... But don't you think they get paid for somebody to make these reviews? Come on man. Critics get paid for columns... There is no difference except I'm not making money upfront from a company to review. They do. Would the majority of critics do what they do for no money? I seriously doubt that. They get paid for making good reviews and bad reviews...much like I would (and most other website reviewers).

I'm running a shadey operation? Come on man. Are you saying that TGP/MGP owners and submitters are shadey as well because the galleries they promote don't mention that they have referral ID's in their links? I've never seen a webmaster tell surfers that they are getting money for selling memberships. We're selling porn...not convincing surfers to compensate us.

What is your problem with me tonight and your accusations? You've never seemed to have a problem with me before, and I sure as hell can't remember ever having a problem with you. I take serious offense to you questioning my ethics.

I will hit you up tomorrow, bro. :thumbsup

When a reviewer "reviews" a company that he works for without divulging that fact, it doesn't get much more deceptive than that.

By your logic, we should all applaud such practices - since Sherm is just trying to make money, and that's the main idea (not honest reviews), so what if he is misleading readers, others do, so that makes it acceptable (even if the person doesn't inform the readers that he is being deceptive/misleading).

Just trying to offer an alternative viewpoint - I'm not earning money for my posts, just merely stating my opinion (honestly, Sherm is not paying me to keep his post near the top of the heap).

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Read the review of my own sites. You can't get more honest than pointing out your own downfalls. If I were being deceptive, I'd have given Facial Abuse and Ghetto Gaggers 100's. What are you taking out on me? Did a reviewer piss you off before? Would it make you feel better if I reviewed your site 100% referral link free? I'll do that for you, just to prove a point since you have an obvious hangup, and you are calling my business ethics out. I wouldn't be in this business as long as I have if I were unethical...Especially since I show my face to the world at 80% of webmaster shows. The offer is there to review your site 100% referral ID free... Can you question me anymore? Send me the username/pass and I'll get to it tomorrow.

How dare I want to put in a referral link in for a couple hours of my time that could have been spent doing something guranteed to make me money such as submitting.

Aren't review sites meant to offer paysite owners tips as to how to improve their products, while giving surfers an idea of what they will get inside? Well that's what my review site is here to do anyways.

Sherm, I don't dislike you personally - to my knowledge we have never met. In fact, there are many posts you have made in the past that I agree with, and I like your overall business savvy and work ethic (I have no doubt that you are one hardworking dude - I am too, so I can appreciate that).

I was simply offering an alternative viewpoint about the practice of pretending to do impartial reviews when in fact the main purpose appears to be creating reviews simply as a revenue making scheme.

I make a very good living in the adult biz with my web sites. I don't have to compromise much, because I operate totally independently. Therefore, I offer up my opinion truly unbiased and freely - at times to my own detriment.

If you make money with your scheme, then you should not care about my opinion. If you think my observations are hurting you, then maybe you should re-examine your practice. What's wrong with providing honest reviews for all sites irregardless of whether you have a link code to them (and that doesn't meaning slamming/slighting sites simply because they do not have an affiliate program)?

I apologize for any offense you have taken. It was not directed at you personally, it was instead about programs that operate under the guise of being ubiased that actually have a hidden agenda.

I'm sure your site will thrive no matter what I post.

Cheers,

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ADG...

Thanks for your explanation...But if you look above, you will notice that I've offered to review your site referral free. I will do this for individual owners if asked on a 1 on 1 basis, but on a public board, I'd only be interested in reviewing sites with an affiliate program. Why? Because as it stands, I've already got quite a backlog and my motivation to get to reviewing sites is that I know they value my opinion... How do I know it's valued? Because they are willing to offer me compensation for my honest review 1 way or another.

Now... No site will get a better or worse review because of what they offer me. In fact, I don't really give a shit. I have enough sites, SE traffic, etc. to put money in my pocket (and to sites in which I have decided to put my promotional focus on). A bad review of a site means that I disliked it.. I probably won't make any money from a bad review, but if somebody decided to purchase anyways, I might as well get a kickback for my time. This is no way hinders what I will say or not say about a site.

You say scheme as if I'm implementing some evil underbelly of the adult world. This is nothing deeper than a review site. It's not groundbreaking, law breaking or a threat to anybody. It's something that has been around for a while, and it's designed to help site owners, surfers and of course compensate the webmaster doing the reviews. With enough traffic, there are large server fees to pay, time spent on site development and upset webmasters to deal with. Breaking even is a good thing and making profit is better. It is a commercial website designed to provide a service...much like any other.

Is a consultant any less honest because he/she is being paid? No. A good consultant is honest with a client, and geared to give the consumer a better experience...Much like a reviewer. Much like a critic with a column. Nobody trusts a dishonest person, and a businessman wants to make his/her consumers happy in order to have repeat business.

Do I care about fellow individuals in my line of business think? Of course. All it takes is 1 unhappy webmaster to make you lose a lot of business. Do I feel like my practices are shadey? No. If I did, I'd have disappeared and stopped arguing my case a long time ago.

We can agree to disagree and move on. :thumbsup

Thanks for your thoughtful (more detailed explanation) about what your site is about, Sherm.

Under the circumstances, I think it would be inappropriate for me to accept your offer of a free no strings/affiliate fees review on your site, however if you would like a pass, I welcome your honest opinion about my site in a private e-mail to me.

This may come as a surprise, but I am my own biggest critic. Despite how I may come across, I am pretty well aware of my shortcomings and constantly strive to improve (although I honestly don't have time as a one-person operation to go back and improve upon what I produced years ago).

As I mentioned, I am truly a one-person operation, and I am almost completely self-taught (mea culpa...I recently took classes on film-editing and DVD authoring, although none of that is shown on my sites yet).

The bottom line is I think people appreciate it when you are forthcoming as you were in your above post. In the end, your credibility with surfers will determine your success - at least that is what I have always depended upon.

Although you may not get paid for it, sites which you review (and that display your recip link banner) might provide good traffic even if they don't provide you with direct cash in your pocket, such as how Jane's Review used to operate (I understand that they now have a fee-based expedited review service - hopefully they are still remaining independent and unbiased).

BTW, some of my sites have been featured in review sites in the past, even though I offered nothing in return. I have generally received quite good reviews. More importantly, most of the feedback I get from Members is favorable.

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I would like to add a new site you people from Duke dollar's would launch soon ;)

THe Tranny Site Featuring Big Red Machine :winkwink: :1orglaugh :1orglaugh