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Alex 06-04-2005 10:38 PM

Come Jun 23, 2005. What do you see happening?
 
Affiliate programs wont be giving out hard copies of model info along with the content they give out. And not all people will convert all sites to text.

How is it going to work, will they give you a warning and then file charges or what?

cyber_ninja 06-04-2005 10:42 PM

click my sig :thumbsup

DateDoc 06-04-2005 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex
Affiliate programs wont be giving out hard copies of model info along with the content they give out. And not all people will convert all sites to text.

How is it going to work, will they give you a warning and then file charges or what?

I don't think the govt's going to be giving out warnings :2 cents:

Alex 06-04-2005 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BusterPorn
I don't think the govt's going to be giving out warnings :2 cents:

Well how will they know you dont have 2257. Will they visit your site, see that you have explicit images, and then they email you or call you or contact you for the 2257 right?
If i get an email about that, whats to stop me from taking my whole site down.

JD 06-04-2005 10:47 PM

the skys will turn bloooooooooooooood red and the Devil himself will sprout from the ground.......wearing a BangBros shirt.

dopeman 06-04-2005 10:48 PM

but the only major difference between these regs and the earlier ones pertains to 'secondary producers' and their requirement to hold documentation. if there's going to be ANY increase in the enforcement after june 23rd, it will be against these people, since los federales could have gone after primary producers at any time, and I don't know of a single incident of a primary producer getting raided in regards to having documentation.

dopeman 06-04-2005 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex
Well how will they know you dont have 2257. Will they visit your site, see that you have explicit images, and then they email you or call you or contact you for the 2257 right?
If i get an email about that, whats to stop me from taking my whole site down.

the regulations say they can knock on your door at any time during normal business hours. you have to be there to show them the docs.

Mike Okitch 06-04-2005 10:49 PM

I see lots of Quebecois buying shitloads of beer and fireworks to be ready for that will be the eve of St-Jean Baptiste.

Veterans Day 06-04-2005 10:52 PM

nothing....

Alex 06-04-2005 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dopeman
the regulations say they can knock on your door at any time during normal business hours. you have to be there to show them the docs.

So they will check my whois. And then they can visit the address in which it is regged and demand 2257.

Ouch.


This only applies if the content is ON my site. I can link to it right?

And whois protection? That wont work?

azguy 06-04-2005 11:47 PM

A few arrests before July, just to prove they're serious. On the other hand, more gov officials will buy memberships now :)

GatorB 06-04-2005 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex
Affiliate programs wont be giving out hard copies of model info along with the content they give out. And not all people will convert all sites to text.

How is it going to work, will they give you a warning and then file charges or what?

If sponsors give out free content they HAVE to give out the model info. READ the regs. Sponsors can't say no.

dopeman 06-04-2005 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB
If sponsors give out free content they HAVE to give out the model info. READ the regs. Sponsors can't say no.

correct. but again, this does NOT absolve affiliates who have posted thumbs or promo material without having the 2257 docs in their place of biz. if the sponsors won't give them up, you can't have them online.

now how hard will they enforce this? that's really the million dollar question.

pornguy 06-04-2005 11:51 PM

And for those of you that have to ask questions about this, you really need to consult with a real attorney. Not a GFY attorney!

dopeman 06-04-2005 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex
So they will check my whois. And then they can visit the address in which it is regged and demand 2257.

Ouch.


This only applies if the content is ON my site. I can link to it right?

And whois protection? That wont work?

not just whois. you have to have your own 2257 Link on each of your sites with your biz's address on it. if you work from home - guess what...

GatorB 06-04-2005 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dopeman
but the only major difference between these regs and the earlier ones pertains to 'secondary producers' and their requirement to hold documentation. if there's going to be ANY increase in the enforcement after june 23rd, it will be against these people, since los federales could have gone after primary producers at any time, and I don't know of a single incident of a primary producer getting raided in regards to having documentation.

Because they're hasn't been. They know all the legit porn companies follow the rules and comply. they know all the small guys won't comply and that's who'll they'll bust. They do a nationwide sweep get a few dozen or perhaps hundred or so people and claim a victory in the battle with evil pornographers.

Veterans Day 06-04-2005 11:52 PM

long live my text blogs, 2257 whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

dopeman 06-04-2005 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy
And for those of you that have to ask questions about this, you really need to consult with a real attorney. Not a GFY attorney!

i keep hearing this thrown around, but where do you find qualified attorneys who are savvy about this stuff? i've read maybe three or four names in various articles on adult webmaster boards, but frankly some of them sounded more like a sales pitch than anything else. what if you're like me, and you don't know anyone in the biz?

GatorB 06-04-2005 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dopeman
correct. but again, this does NOT absolve affiliates who have posted thumbs or promo material without having the 2257 docs in their place of biz. if the sponsors won't give them up, you can't have them online.

now how hard will they enforce this? that's really the million dollar question.

I never said the affilaite won't be in trouble but as soon as affilates say "So and so sponsor wouldn't give me the docs when I asked for them" well the DOJ will see a nice big juicy fish to fry and those affiliates will be given sweetheart deals to become witnesses against that sponsor.

NTSS 06-04-2005 11:53 PM

I see a lot of text links coming to a pornsite near you!

GatorB 06-05-2005 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy
And for those of you that have to ask questions about this, you really need to consult with a real attorney. Not a GFY attorney!

Ok first of all are you retarded? You can't read without an attorney telling you what something says.Which words in the reg give you trouble. I can tell you that lawyers in my area never even heard of 2257 let alone be any kind of expert in it. Now maybe those here with below average intelligence may not understand it, but as far as me well not trying to brag, but I'm sure my 130 IQ can grasp the context of what the regs say. In fact I'd say anyone with an 100 IQ could understand them if they would actually READ them.

That's the main problem no one wants to READ the damn thing, they want others to read and then tell them what it says. Another problem is too many people are trying to read into what they WANT them to say, not what they actually say. Let the lawyers find the loopholes I'm sure there are many working on this as we speak. I damned sure the FSC lawyers are.

If you are an American and you have content on your site that's more than text, made after July 3 1995 and is NOT anime then assume you have to comply. Once you do that, figuring out what you need to do to comply is actualy pretty damed easy. It's not fricken rocket science.

DateDoc 06-05-2005 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex
Well how will they know you dont have 2257. Will they visit your site, see that you have explicit images, and then they email you or call you or contact you for the 2257 right?
If i get an email about that, whats to stop me from taking my whole site down.

If you get an email from them I guarantee you they will have a copy of your entire web on their computers already so taking it down is not an option. More than likely they will just show up and ask to see your docs. As for the whois protection you asked about they will just go to the registrar and ask for the credit card info you use to pay the registration fees and find you that way. If you have explicit images on your site you need 2257 docs by the 23rd and kept up as prescribed in the regs. It may be a lot of work but to operate legally that is what you need to do.

GatorB 06-05-2005 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex
Well how will they know you dont have 2257. Will they visit your site, see that you have explicit images, and then they email you or call you or contact you for the 2257 right?
If i get an email about that, whats to stop me from taking my whole site down.

They aren't going to call you or e-mail you. They'll just show up to the adress on the 2257 page on your site UN-ANNOUNCED. And you better be damned sure that's a legit address.

stevo 06-05-2005 12:26 AM

I predict hundreds of arrests on June 23.

chadglni 06-05-2005 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB
They aren't going to call you or e-mail you. They'll just show up to the adress on the 2257 page on your site UN-ANNOUNCED. And you better be damned sure that's a legit address.

It's no use. Guy has the mind of a llama.

DWB 06-05-2005 12:53 AM

JUNE 23 2005

10am: I will wake up and go outside onto my new foreign balcony, look at the ocean and feel sorry for everyone that has to continue to live in America.... and thank God I no longer live, bank or host there.

11am: E-mail my affiliates and give them the proper IDs to use for my galleries and banners. I want them to be in full compliance and will help them do so.

1pm: I will eat a Spanish omelet, drink a fruit smoothie...

2pm: Get an oil massage

4pm: Go fuck some bubble butt 18 year old with a dark tan and a shaved cooter

6pm: Eat a nice thick chicken breast with corn and a cold glass of punch

7pm; Check a few e-mails, call mom and make a few posts

8pm: Go fuck some bubble butt 18 year old with a dark tan and a nice set of tits

10pm: Take one of my girls out for some salsa dancing

1am: Eat something light... maybe a chicken salad

2am: More sex with girl I took dancing

4am: Kick the girl out, go to sleep and dream about how ignorant the USA is... thanking God one more time that I'm no longer there.

Rinse & repeat...

bigdog 06-05-2005 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dopeman
not just whois. you have to have your own 2257 Link on each of your sites with your biz's address on it. if you work from home - guess what...

time to get an office

taibo 06-05-2005 04:12 AM

:GFYBand

Dirty Dane 06-05-2005 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azguy
On the other hand, more gov officials will buy memberships now :)

Spam the Feds with non compliant emails and get some xtra signups :1orglaugh

tradermcduck 06-05-2005 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevo
I predict hundreds of arrests on June 23.

:1orglaugh

there definitely won't be a single arrest

Alex 06-05-2005 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB
They aren't going to call you or e-mail you. They'll just show up to the adress on the 2257 page on your site UN-ANNOUNCED. And you better be damned sure that's a legit address.


If said 2257 link is on site.

In the meantime, im going to all test and using nn photos.

GatorB 06-05-2005 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex
If said 2257 link is on site.

In the meantime, im going to all test and using nn photos.

If he's one is an American and they don't have a 2257 link on their site the DOJ still can find out where you live and you are in even bigger trouble.

RawAlex 06-05-2005 06:43 PM

Everyone is going to be waiting for the first inspections, the first arrests, and the first challenges...

that is if an injunction isn't granted.

Alex

mrthumbs 06-05-2005 06:44 PM

Let me tell you exactly what will happen:

NOTHING

kernelpanic 06-05-2005 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB
If you are an American and you have content on your site that's more than text, made after July 3 1995 and is NOT anime then assume you have to comply. Once you do that, figuring out what you need to do to comply is actualy pretty damed easy. It's not fricken rocket science.

Softcore is exempt.

Kevsh 06-05-2005 06:48 PM

I predict I'll be in New Orleans on June 23 and not giving a shit
:pimp :pimp

After Shock Media 06-05-2005 06:48 PM

90% of american webmasters will become criminals waiting to be caught.
Several sponsor programs will try to play cute with the rules regarding non US webmasters only to have the accronym RICO explained to them at some point.
Then if anything should happen right out of the gate I think it will happen June 24th and not June 23rd since the 23rd falls on a thursday and what fun is that.

GatorB 06-05-2005 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kernelpanic
Softcore is exempt.

I'm assuming we were talking about hardcore. Don't be like others and read in my posts more than what I say.

Spunky 06-05-2005 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrthumbs
Let me tell you exactly what will happen:

NOTHING

Can you predict the future?

NaughtyRob 06-05-2005 07:19 PM

It will be interesting to say the least.

Juicy D. Links 06-05-2005 07:21 PM

http://www.countryfest.mb.ca/photos/photo36.jpg

mrthumbs 06-05-2005 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spunky
Can you predict the future?


No, but i can apply simple logic.

reynold 06-05-2005 09:23 PM

The sky will be falling!!!!!!

thonglife 06-05-2005 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex
So they will check my whois. And then they can visit the address in which it is regged and demand 2257.

Ouch.


This only applies if the content is ON my site. I can link to it right?

And whois protection? That wont work?

domainsbyproxy.com.. :1orglaugh Lol.. then they need to get a subpoena.

thonglife 06-05-2005 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex
Affiliate programs wont be giving out hard copies of model info along with the content they give out. And not all people will convert all sites to text.

How is it going to work, will they give you a warning and then file charges or what?

http://www.officerjellynutz.com/mp3s...e%20Police.mp3

latinasojourn 06-05-2005 11:08 PM

IMO the DOJ has maybe about 50-100 producers in their sights right now.

probable niches they are looking at carefully are barely legal, and extreme.

there will be some busts.

gecko 06-06-2005 12:51 AM

Texts instead of thumbs on tgps


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