2257 or .xxx which will it be?
 

2257 or .xxx which will it be?

Let me start by saying that I support neither 2257 or dot xxx.

The government wants to step and clean up the internet. On one hand, we have 2257 ? a draconian records keeping regulation that is near impossible to comply with, with pop inspections by armed federal agents, and harsh sentences.

On the other hand we have dot xxx. I can totally see what is coming down the pike with this one. The government and ICANN can easily create a mandatory ?virtual red light district? and say they?ve done something about porn. For too many years this industry has been sleeping saying ?they can?t regulate the world? ? well, maybe they can.

Now, assuming you have to deal with one or the other: heavy 2257 enforcement or dot xxx ? which is it going to be?

A lot of people seem to think dot xxx is worse. I don?t agree. Sure, I can see the implications ? even for my main source of income Jays XXX Links (which derives a shitload of traffic from search engines) is going to lose a ton of backlinks and it will cripple my traffic for the short term ? it has a huge legion of bookmarkers and a name brand?it will survive. There is a great article by Gregory A. Piccionelli that gave me some of these ideas:

http://www.xbiz.com/article_piece.ph...=porn %20wars

Now, this only operates under the assumption that the government slows its roll on a full frontal 2257 assault and applies the law where it is really needed:

http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=9002

I don?t feel like the government has the money or the time for a full on 2257 assault. I will most likely use it as a backup when they are going after some extreme stuff that they really do want to nail on an obscenity charge. On top of that, I don?t feel 2257 has a ton of jury appeal and taking so many people to court is just not in their budget.

There are some on the far-far right that say dot xxx would legitimize porn or whatever ? these people will never be satisfied till all adult entertainment has been eradicated. I know most people are too young to remember the 18th amendment, but it moved ?demon alcohol? underground for 13 years. A ?noble experiment? was a fabulous disaster.

What all of these people need to remember is that NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY TRY ? if the kids want to see hardcore porn ? they will see hardcore porn. I snuck peeks at magazines when I was a kid, so did you, and so will this generation ? it is part of growing up. I?m all for doing something that will keep it harder to keep kids off porn sites, but ultimately that is the responsibility of the parents.

The opposition needs to face facts?the genie is out of the bottle, there is no putting it back. If we need to throw them a bone so they can ease up on their moral crusade ? what is it going to be dot xxx or 2257?

This should be interesting.

nice read jay as always :thumbsup

i personally think this is just one big scare and hopefully none of it will come true... but we shoud prepare for the worst and hope for the best. :helpme

I've put a lot of thought into the recent crackdowns, but also who has been doing them - certainly not the generation that grew up with the internet. Of all the people who are making these draconian restrictions, nearly every one of them fits the typical profile of an elected official, most notably on the age grounds: these people grew up with adult bookstores, and consequently see the internet as an expansion of existing pornography - that is why these draconian restrictions target internet pornography, since it is the omnipresent extention of the local XXX bookstore into every house, school, and workplace. What typically what a store in the bad section of town, has now extended into every location with internet connectivity, and these restrictions are a reaction by the "ruling class" - the congressmen, senior bureaucrats, and others who are of a socially conservative persuasion, and seeking to keep pornography resticted to how it was before the new-fangled internet spread it all over society.

With that said, I see .xxx as a more enduring problem. 2257 is a recordskeeping regulation, and is easily repealed once a more progressive administration takes power. However, the forcing of all adult webmasters in [pick your jurisdiction] into the .xxx ghettos is far more damaging in the long run. After time, porn sites build up bookmarkers and name identity, and thus would not want to change the identity of their whole operation when a .xxx requirement law/rule goes away.

.xxx also has the potential for nongovernmental abuse. 2257 is between the models, the publishers, and the DOJ, whereas .xxx is for the world to see. Search engines will be able now to segregate all legitimate porn sites in one measure, and so will processors. Centralizing the porn will make it easier for the ISPs, governments, and connection owners (think shared lines - apartments, universities, etc) to censor it. Furthermore, ISPs might fall victim to draconian local statutes requiring filtering of .xxx within one specific locality, especially one where "community standards" might ban adult bookstores already, or tax them heavily.

Draconian .xxx rules can also be extended across international boundries by different governments and ICANN, whereas 2257 is only a problem for those operating in the US.

In short, both are bad, .xxx is worse in the long run, whereas 2257 is bad in the short run.

I voted 2257.

2257 yep.

Jay......what you must realize that the 2257 is an easy thing to manage, that will require some work. But the other has far deeper hidden meanings



This .xxx deal smells like BULLSHIT!



Unlike 2257, .xxx is a driven by a desire for money, and greed.

:mad:

The 2257 battle will be too pricy for the gov't to fight everyone on. I think they will be using it as an excuse to get rid of people like extreme assiocates who help cause messes like this in the first place. we should all thank rob black for going on tv and asking the gov't to come after him.

i voted 2257

lol @ "throw them a bone"





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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing -- isn't it time some of these "conservatives" started having strokes and heat attacks?

It's a tough call. I would have to go with 2257 on this.

I didn't say I liked either.

I can easily cough up $60 for a domain. If they ask me to cough up 5 years of my life becasue I accidently didn't cross-reffernce Ivana Cockinme with with Ivana Fuck correctly...they had better plan on taking me to jail in a herse.

Some will die, some will retire, and others will lose touch with progressive constituencies. Whatever happens, the outcome will be the same - younger politicians, who grew up with the internet, will be elected, and be much more sympathetic toward the needs of the online adult industry - lets face it, both of the regulations you mentioned aren't meant to attack local adult bookstores.

Also, the younger generation sees sexual promiscuity and pornography as being more acceptable in principle, and thus won't crusade against the behavior of adults in their own home.

Years ago, when I was younger (read: 13-16), I was that "one kid" who everyone could depend on for computer service when they were having trouble. As such, I frequently dealt with browser caches looking for sources of viruses, and later, spyware, and I came into contact with everybody's internet history. I found that adults viewed way more porn than kids, but were much less forthcoming about it, and tried to cover it up with a paranoid degree of thoroughness :1orglaugh

Those are the sort of people with repressed urges, but would never be caught dead in an adult bookstore. :1orglaugh

I think the assault on the online adult industry is a generational thing, and will pass. In the meantime, its important to stand firm for the rights of legitimate adult webmasters and producers to cater to other adults who want to view such material.

Clearly the 2257 regulation is much worse. You can get around the .xxx issue by using a non-USA registrar who is not bound by whatever idiotic congress critter decides to force USA-based registrars to do.

The 2257 regulation will put a huge chilling effect on your supply of models. No model/talent will want to disclose their valid ID to uncounted numbers of secondary producers (affiliates and simple net stalkers who pose as affiliates) and no secondary producers will want to disclose their home address so that random jerks and right wing nuts can harvest this info. Google '2257 compliance' now and see what info you can find. Then extrapolate to 20x with all mom-n-pop 'secondary producers' having to disclose this info, and you will see where this goes.

The .xxx TLD lays the framework for any government to ban non-.xxx sites from operating from within their country. Besides, if ICANN is pressured into banning porn from .com and .net, then all countries will be affected by this. Its not just the US government that will be the enemy once the .xxx TLD is established.

There are still plenty of girls willing to do it anyway, either because they need the money, because they are naive about the implications of 2257, or because they simply don't care.

While 2257 is bad, especially to me as a secondary producer, it won't be as long lasting, in my opinion. 2257 seems to be much easier to repeal than does a move forcing all porn sites into the .xxx ghetto that is being established right now.

hey maybe you could get jay.xxx :error

2257 all the way

You and Joe STILL haven't talked to a lawyer yet, haven't you?

I don't know about that. Granted, this is from Jason Hendeles attorney (which I found in a recent AVNONLINE article) but I think there is some validity to what is being said.




The flip side is that flying .XXX sites may in fact give more credence to the theory that webmasters are operating a legitimate business ... and are 2257 compliant and ARE responsible for NOT allowing childern to view adult material

Also, the one thing most people are forgetting is percption of SURFERS ... AND if they want porn - THEY'RE GOING TO GET PORN!

How's THIS for a conservative view point ...

probably one of the most intelligent stements i have read COMPLETELY on these subjeccts. street knowledge always preceeds common knowledge and factual knowledge.

whatever, theres intention and reality with laws and law enforcement.

Thanks...I think.

Why would anyone pick 2257 over .xxx?

One is annoying and costs you $70 to deal with, and the other puts you in jail for 5 years for a clerical error.

I was looking for that quote...thanks for the link:
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=229089

Could be the non-US crowd.

one could put you out if business forever

I can dodge 2257 by falling outside its guidelines, all the while hoping for an injunction or repealing.

Intersting perspective, huh?

Also interesting are the resposes of people outside the biz that think .xxx is "COOL" - one guy said to me - "great, now it will be easier to find my porn!"

How could .xxx put you out of biz forever?

And the kids without any filtering software will know right where to go!

Isn't that a parenting issue that's still relevent TODAY regardless of .XXX?

Or you just being a wiseass for the sake of it?

C'mon now - reality is that those that want porn will find it ... this we know.

:winkwink:

Well, less than 10% of internet-enabled households with children under 13 have filtering software in use, and yet .xxx is being billed as a way to keep it out of the hands of kids :1orglaugh


Shit, there is no parental responsibility anymore

Jay, of course we have...............i will talk to you in person in San Diego.

:Oh crap

.xxx !!!

I'd MUCH rather deal with the 2257 bullshit.

imagine if .xxx domains were to become available at midnight tonight:
the first people to sex.xxx & porn.xxx will become fairly rich right away (as soon as porn surfers knew about the .xxx switch).

Now, those 2 domains could be ran by newbies & fuck up the game even more than cheaters already do, AND not to mention, you would have to start all over again with traffic, trades, and a bunch of shit that possibly took YEARS to gain.

The day .xxx domains become "the new way of porn", is the day I say fuck this biz, im out! And guess how many other people will eventually be saying the same thing?? I'd bet ALOT!

Now, knowing this, the goverment can see this is a whole new way of destroying the adult industry, very fast, and without violating the 1st addmendment. :2 cents:

2257 gets my vote since im in compliance!

Parenting - that would be too much to ask! LOL Why parent when you can get the goverment to watch your kids?

Lets see its made into a law in the us, you have to give up your .com and get a .xxx . Say good bye to most of your day time sales, college sales, then the isp blocking starts. Now I dont make a million a yr like yourself, so too many hard hits im done . Where you have to learn to get by on 200k a yr.

Great thread Jay!

This is going to be a very interesting year.

2257 because i control my own destiny, not the asacp or the other people in this "coffee clutch."
.xxx i have no control over.

Duke

2257....

well lightspeed just said that he won't be giving affiliates the 2257 docs. i think that will set the precedence for other sponsors. this is really going to change everything.

2257 means a restriction of the industry. .Xxx can wipe it all out.

I don't blame him and I support him.

We are meeting with our lawyers on the 9th to finalize our decision.

Both are awful. I'd vote for .xxx being the bigger problem only because I have complete confidence that the industry will either completely defeat all the 2257 regs, or get them altered so much that they won't be a problem in their final form. What stinks so much about .xxx is that people inside the industry helped bring this down on us... we're used to dealing with the government and issues like 2257, but .xxx is an assault from both the outside and within, and financed by private business interests. That's trickier to beat. Now, if 2257 were to stand exactly as it is right now and nothing were changed in court, then it would be a tougher call which was worse. But I am confident that the FSC will be successful to at least some degree in its challenge. Let's hope I'm right there.

Is there a thrid option?

The real battle will be with Visa

See post above.

possible :(

as long as there is no retroactive action taken against affiliates who cannot now get the docs.