unbelievable invasion of privacy
 

I knew this whole 2257 thing is bad for the models, but it really just hit me how bad it really is. Im sitting here looking at legitimate porn stars IDs containing their legal name, address, drivers license #, etc. These are well known girls, totally stalkable, and God knows there are plenty of sick fucks out there who will do it given the chance. I kinda even feel creepy just seeing all this info. Like the girl Kayla who used to post here a lot and work for Adult.com. She shot a couple scenes for us a while back. Now Im looking at her drivers license, all her info. I could fly to where she lives and walk up to her front door right now. WHAT THE FUCK! These girls are the big losers in all of this. Its horrible.

Girls will be stalked and assaulted/killed because of this. Its not a matter of if, but when, and once it happens, the DOJ will write it off as a cost of protecting children.

It is shameful the level of regard they have for models' privacy and safety.

Hey but it will stop cp! ...errr wait...no it wont.

This should not come as a shock, but all that info has been available for years now to whoever asked and also bought something. Then with exclusives it always came with it.
Then real big shock, anybody can get onto most talent mailing lists and not only get many models cell phones and such, but also book them and fuck them cheap. Which I believe would be better than stalking now wouldnt it?

I think a true stalker would have been able to find that information anyway. Maybe instead of this making things easier for stalkers, its making stalkers out of regular guys with a crush?

Its a joke... I cant see how it will be workable.

I wanna promote Jenna Jameson or Carmen Electra... Do I get there address?.

The only workable way I can see is to have an IDNumber for each model and a central DB that the FBI etc have access to.

When you get content you get the ModelID number. Affiliates have access to the info but only on application. The law as usual is an ASS

Where is the ACLU?
They stick their neck out for sick pervert at nambla?
What about now?

I don't know who said it the other day, but it made the most sense of anything brought up so far in this whole 2257 debate.

The comment was that a child is more likely to be molested by people in their everyday lives as opposed to the adult industry by several orders of magnitude. This was a result of the way these sick people operated - they go where the children are, and there are no children in the legitimate adult industry.

I hope that people will see 2257 for what it is - excessive red tape designed to harass and annoy legitimate webmasters and producers.

Sadly, I must remind you that the average public will NEVER see porn webmasters and producers as "legitimate", no matter how much they want the product. :2 cents:

like people that trade CP give a fuck about 2257. They only way i can see this helping is if a model lied about her age or the content provider didn't know they were underage. Honestly which content providers shoot content of underage girls. This is rediculous.

yup, and us evil porn mongers will be to blame for it.

One interesting way to look at the PRIVACY issue is that perhaps its an unstated ploy to DISCOURAGE models from porn? Im just speculating but given the gravity of the stalking issue (and people can get killed by freak stalkers over this) and how seemingly glib the government was in dismissing such privacy comments...does lead one to think. Again, just speculation.

They could take every web site off of the net and cp would still flourish just as it is now.. They don't rely on websites.. with very very few exceptions....

The feds know this... All of the upper eschelon knows this... and I keep saying.. 2257 isn't about child protection like they say... It's about hassassing those in the adult industry; hoping to discourage, scare, threaten.... yada yada..

Is it just me, or are like half of the CP busts you hear about in the news involving some sick fuck sending VHS tapes in the mail?

I tend to agree with you. The Meese Anti-Obscenity campaigns of the 1980s did make that lobby look very hard ass and unreasonable. Perhaps this is "Meese Light"--low on the scare factor but highly efficient.

Church officials, youth group leaders, and state-managed guardians are high on the list as well.

RE: Model privacy and safety...

As far as I am concerned, anyone who distributes the home address and real name of a model is no better the DOJ.

And all the lame ass excuses (which I have been hearing ad nauseum lately) about, "well, that's the new law and we have to accept it" are in effect proving that some adult industry operators are willing to exploit their talent to the point that they risk their personal safety for a buck (and keep on going).

If it is the law and you want to comply, then stop producing content.

OR QUIT altogether.

But, law or not, it's YOUR ultimate choice to send information which could lead to injury or death of someone who has worked for you and helped you earn your living.

You can't blame someone else for something you did. You know it's wrong. And bs lines like "legally raped by 2257" only prove that you knew it was wrong before you did it.

Is that the kind of respect you have for your talent and co-workers?

-Dino

They chose to do porn right?

They chose to do porn, but they didn't choose to have every affiliate in the world have access to their personal information. They did so under the old laws.

Now, models of the FUTURE, WILL know the laws and how it could potentially affect them. They'll have to make that choice.

The models of the past had no choice. Their info is out there and they have absolutely ZERO recourse. That's the biggest fuckup in my eyes. Making it retroactive.

God forbid some of these models who haven't done porn in two years still live at the same address. They'll be out of the loop and totally unaware that their info is now public information...until someone shows up at their doorstep.

Quote from the DOJ website very relevant to this topic:

"Sixty-two commenters commented that revealing personal information of performers, for example, in the form of their addresses on drivers' licenses used as identification documents in compliance with this regulation, is an invasion of performers' privacy and could lead to identity theft or violent crimes. .............The Department declines to adopt these comments. While the Department is certainly concerned about possible crimes against performers and businesses that employ them, the necessity of
maintaining these records to ensure that children are not exploited outweighs these concerns."

Let me highlight the last sentence

(re: privacy of models) "... the necessity of maintaining these records to ensure that children are not exploited outweighs these concerns."

Nice huh..

Not only that, but also, a lot of their ID's have their parents address's on them, and don't even live with them, that is putting people who don't even have a single thing to do with this business in serious danger, just another FUCKED up part of this on going bullshit they call 2257

Solution: use US passport instead of drivers license.

US passports do not list addresses and *are* acceptable identification.

Geez this is turning into yet another GFY style hand wringing bitching and moaning flame fest :)

I'm much more worried about the requirements for secondary producers to list their biz address and to be required to be there 20 hours a week for receiving the feds inspectors.

Jesus, that's something I hadn't even thought of.

So, they have a 12 or 13 year old sister who lives at that address. NICE.

The solution is for talent to use their US passports instead of drivers license for IDs. Thats an acceptable ID form.

I'm more worried about the address listing requirements for secondary producers.

Edit: OOPS double post, I wasnt sure my first one went thru. Sorry.

Elohfucking el...

like it fucking matters? Register with the govt, and they will just mint off the models names to the pedoes anyway. It's a lose lose situation for female porn actresses.

This is gonna be great if an acress kills a stalker and goes to jail for it. America is so uber omg. stupid fux

friends is the key I think!

bingo. responsible producers will be telling all models to get themselves a US passport - no need for anybody to have their home address.

Except for the fact you need 2 government issued ID's...............

Right. Because it affects you?

Well, you're aware of the laws and you can choose to be in this profession or not. You have the choice as to whether or not that information is ever made public. That's your recourse. You know the law (as it is TODAY) and can choose to comply, break the law or get out.

Suppose, now just suppose, that you comply and put up your personal information. While you're making a good living off of your site for the next couple of years, the government is now recording ALL adult site information (possibly made easier by the implementation of MANDATORY .xxx domains-but that's another story). Two years down the road, the government decides that they're gonna create an adult site registry so adults can protect their children from walking by a "Perverts" house. EVERY adult site known to exist, will be on this site, broken down by state. You decide it's not worth the risk and decide you've made enough money to pull your sites, but guess what...it's too late for you. They've already logged all of your personal information and YOUR personal information goes into the publicly accessible site...

John Doe
1234 5th St.
Portland, Oregon

Now, the porn addicts will inevitably check to see who's producing porn in their city. Lo and behold they come across YOUR former site and home address. Maybe it's the church at the corner of your street. Would you want that info out there? It could be your next door neighbor with the newborn that your daughter USED to babysit. You might not care if that information is out there, but what if you did? What recourse would you have? None. Being ostracized by your neighborhood and community and potentially putting your family's well being at risk, will have been forced upon you by the government arbitrarily creating a new law for an industry in which you've chosen to no longer work.

Now, using passports? That's a great solution and something a lot of producers and models will probably seriously consider now that they know the law, or hopefully be made aware of. That's the difference here though. If they DON'T have a passport, they KNOW the laws and have a choice of whether or not to risk that information being out there.

Models of the past? Too fuckin' bad for them. They have no recourse. Their info is already in someone else's hands and the government has deemed them not worthy of any privacy-just like the scenario above.

I've gotta get the hell outta here. The more I think about this and KingAsher's post the angrier I get.

Note-This wasn't an attack on you FleshJoe2005. Just trying to make a point of how the government has put the lives of the lifeblood of our industry at risk with them not having any choice in the matter, for what might have even been a one time indiscretion.

u guys r still talking about this? :eek7 the implications & results r rather obvious....




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what it is going to result in are a lot of legitimate lawsuits levied at the bill. just wait til someone dies as the result of this or is hurt badly. the bush administration is run by a bunch of dunderheads.

Bingo, that's a big thought in my mind, too.

duh its all a conspiracy/...

oh man that's scary!

This all seems very unfair. :(

That's really scary when you put it like that, I don't really understand too much about what's going on with 2257 but as a porn model we have so many security issues, the least amount of people who needs all my info the better.. you really can;t take chances some people get really crazy..thanks for the heads up in your post

it truly is problematic to say the very least. Sigh.

How long does it acutally take to get your passport done these days? Can some girls even wait that long if they really need the money

yet another thread

I agree and we will tell our models that....
However, many girls need quick money and will never wait around for a passport.

Takes at least two weeks, and that's if you pay an extra $60 I think, for a rush order.