The Dutch Voted ......... No
 

it looks like 63% voted no !

I like that they voted no! It's good for the US! :thumbsup

it will take some time to get all votes counted, almost 62% of the population voted.

Tought you despised the French for voting no ...

Or is it just because the " F " 5 letter word was there ... :1orglaugh

I voted No.

well Dalai lama you were not the only one LOL

usually with issues like this, the majority of people who actually vote on it, have little or no knowledge of it at all. Influenced by either, peers or certain media (tabloids).

Evan

whatever Evan, if you think that all no voters do have little or no knowledge you are insulting loads of people in the Netherlands, but heh ....... did you vote ?

I love it :thumbsup

Well, with a few personal exceptions, I DO dispise the French...but for lots of other reasons involving their hypocrasy, overinflated egos, racism, rudeness, etc, etc.....

However, I didn't dispise them for voting "no" (please review my post), I just thought that they were making a mistake,

I also think that the Dutch are making a mistake. I think that it is symptomatic of some major cultural issues facing the EU that will cause them quite a few problems in the next 20 years or so in dealing with the international market with any kind of united front. I was having dinner with several execs from some large German banks in Munich some months ago and they were lamenting over the same thing.

It will also mean, I believe, that the EU, because of these issues will be far less competative with the US than they could be.... and that's good for the US. :2 cents: so again.... :thumbsup
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Im pretty confident that 90% of the people or maybe even more have no clue what they voted for.

As i said before, these people are saying no to our current government and this has nothing to do with the constitution. People are sheep.

WOW !
I made a bet last night it´d be 63% no.

(...and i even hoped for a yes...)

Sigh

Hinc ...... you could have made loads of money with betting !

I'd just like to point out that with with tariffs and quotas on a downward trend between most countries, free trade "trading blocs" seem tobe the way of the future. especially since many of the blocs can bypass more easily the requirements of the WTO. while there can be cultural issues regarding the setup of these things... witness the same complaints that came out when NAFTA was being negotiated... they usually benefit all countries involved in the long run.

:glugglug :Graucho

...AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT. I was just doing some reading, and the German Finance Ministry is discussing the possible failure of the EMU (European Monitary Union). Like I said, this is good for the US, but bad for the EU. :2 cents:

well Michael Sperber it is nice to read you did some reading, makes me sort of warm and fussy inside but in the end it will be all well .......... for all of us, even for people like you.

They voted no to the government, no to the euro, no to the new social security amounts and no to Turkey.

Shame all these things arent settled in the new EU law. Most ppl know shit yes.

What do you guys care? It's one group of really rich guys, v.s. another group of really rich guys, all of whom give FUCK about you or your country

its like a popularity contest in their circles

& you guys think it matters :)

Thanks for the condescending tone, but, it's based on a lot more than the quick read that I had today, I'm 42 years old, I've lived all over the planet, I read all the time, and get lots of different sources, and I'm acquanted with professionals in lots of areas.....

I guess you didn't read my entire second post...

but then I'm sure you are better versed in EU economics than some silly old EU bank executives anyway.... What do THEY know? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

At least I made a round of cold beer :)
(silly neighbour said 51-49 hehehehe)

well I am a couple of years on this planet as well, 53 to be exact, so no I am not a snotty punk, have had a good education, do read a lot as well but heh the fact that you are reading really makes me warm and fussy inside, you are an exception or better we ( you and me ) because I think that most gfy-ers ( with the usaual exceptions ) are not reading much

Are you seriously trying to present yourself as an authority on the matter? :1orglaugh

No....not at all, but I've had long conversations with people who I do consider to be....and I would submit that this makes me as well informed as anyone else.

agreed

agreed, and the same happened in France and will happen here in the UK

if that would be really true, holland wouldve voted Yes, since there was a massive Yes voting propaganda the last 2 weeks by our government.

Glad we followed all our own heads and voted NO! :thumbsup

The problem is, most people would just be guessing, its hardly following your head if you know fuck all about it

Evan

It may make you better informed than the average person (may - I have no idea who the people you consider authorities on the matter are), but the average person knows very little about the whole subject, so that isn't saying a lot.

I hope so.

when so much people take the time to vote, i guess the majority exactly knows why they vote, something like 63% of the ppl voted... id think if ppl dont know where the hell they voting on and why, they dont show up

To repeat what I said in my second post, I discussed this issue for hours, and in depth, with high level executives from several large German banks over dinner in Munich a few months ago. Those are the ones that I consider authorities.

good point nico-t, although I think loads of people just are unhappy with the euro and the government I still think ( checking the news ) that the amount of voters did know what it was all about.

So you talked about it for a short while with a few businessmen? That isn't exactly saying much.
Oh, and for this particular subject, "hours" and "in depth" contradict eachother.

punkworld ............ lamaar denk ik dan LOL

thanks god - USD will rise again

I haven't kept up with this whole thing, but from the outside looking in.. Seems like voting yes would have been good for Europe in general. Could have made a united Europe the next world super power couldn't it?

Fuck the EU. Let's keep our money ours.
We should definitely leave the EU and especially the EMU.
Vote for Geertje Wilders! :thumbsup
Respect,

Selio M

Whatever you say. These "businessmen" sit on advisory boards to the German Finance Ministry.

Nevermind, you obviously have much better sources for your info.

It's so great to see that Europeans aren't completely mindless slaves to the globalists yet. We all know in the US, anything like this where the corporations and the media are telling people to vote yes against their own personal interests, yes would win by a landslide. If Americans (and probably Canadians) were asked to vote on NAFTA, yes would have won by a lot because we're told by TV that it's good and we're too stupid to think what the consequences are. It's just like middle and upper middle class people voting for Bush, he's trying to take their money and put it into the hands of the super wealthy, but TV says he's good, so hum dee dum I'll vote for him. For some reason in North America we haven't figured out a way to slow the corporate domination of information. They tell us what to do, we do it.

God Bless the French and the Dutch!!!

There really is no point, but I'll try to enlighten you anyway...
There is no simple single point which contains the entire discussion. You can talk to several Nobel Prize winners and still be wrong. Often, experts disagree with eachother, and that is even more the case when the issue at hand covers much more than a single area of expertise.
Believing that a few bankers know it all is quite naive and somewhat stupid.

Don't be silly, you can take ANY subject and find experts that disagree about it. It made sense to me, and corroborated things that I had read, but OF COURSE you can't take a single expert view on a subject as complex as this and treat it as gospel

My only point in my first response to the people that dismissed it so easily was to show that this wasn't something I just came up with. It's basis was with people who really are experts in the subject. To utterly dismiss what these men had to say out of hand would be just as niave and stupid :2 cents:

I am an expert in International Relations, I can give a long, detailed answer to this thread for $100...

Don't you understand that what's good for bankers isn't good for 99.9% of the population? Do you think NAFTA helped guys in the US who work (lol, used to work) assembly lines? Give your head a shake man, not everyone is a banker. Unless you're in the top .1% of the people, many millions of dollars liquid, you're a fool for siding with the unregulated free trade policies of the globalists. :2 cents:

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one. I think that the view point that you hold will keep more third world countries in poverty for FAR longer than if industries are allowed to spread freely to other markets.


In any case, I"m sure you don't agree, and this is going to get WAY too long to go into now! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

The reason people dismissed what you said was that it was just some empty rhetoric. What you actually said came down to:

That's so vague it isn't saying anything at all :2 cents:

it's not a surprise

i can only offer you my body, is that good enough?

That's fair.

I have periods in my day were I'm not as busy, and so I have time to post in between doing other things.

I don't have time to launch into long detailed statements involving such complex subjects, and so my posts can sometimes be read as vague. :)

you may be insulting some people but I think your right that the majority was under great influence of the tendency and the fact that a lot of people were afraid of the consequenses following when Tyrkey joins EU

I actually heard on the news that the man in front of the "no sayers" was using the the fear of the fact that muslims would have a lot of influence...
The fear has grown along with the killings of Van Gogh and all that crap... I can understand this fear but it is not all good to say no to a new constitution because of some extreme killings made by extremists....
I hope this is not the actual case and just something going around the media