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its the end of the adult internet and you're talking about compliance!Comment
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We are curretnly compliant under current 2257 laws and WILL be compliant with the new law by the deadline.
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what r u going to do to be in compliance ? r we getting Id's ?Originally posted by DukeSkywalkerInsert Sig HereComment
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Well lets first hope for an injunction.Originally posted by Illicit
But Yes.. we will be ready for whatever the law states.
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we have all our contracts and model ids in place, we are ready to send them out if need be.Comment
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Is that a "yes" as in you are ready now if need be and I can list you on my compliance list... or a "yes" as in we will be ready come June 23?Originally posted by DukeSkywalkerComment
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Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
I dont think anybody is fully ready now and if they claim to be chances are they are missing something. All the top attornies are arguing over what the new regs are and how to be compliant. How is one sponsor already ready. I am waiting for my attorney to say "duke this is what you have to do and this is how." If I am to just go off on my own and follow what I "interpurt" the law to be I jeprodize myself, my partners, my affiliates and my models. I will wait until I get all the info i need and act appropiatley. Being ready now, unless the person is a first ammendant lawyer/affiliate program owner, i would seriously doubt they are ready, because the attornies arent even ready to tell us what to do yet themselves.
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Some really clueless people in this thread.
If you dont know or cant tell what a compliant 2257 sponsor is then you realy need to fine another line of work.
Most sponsors that have a clue have been comploant for 8 months or more... well before the shit hit the fan.
All my shooting clients have been made complient by the new regs way back in Aug of last year. The people that are starting or worried about threads like this will be out of business or in jail by this time next year. If you arnt compliant now.. you will never be by June 23. Where were you a year ago when this all hit? Thinking it would go away? hmmm good business plan.
I find this shit funny now. Wow!Last edited by Shooting_Manic; 05-29-2005, 07:35 PM.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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You are really going to send your models ids out to affiliates? Really? God, thats scary. Hope you are kidding.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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It's not too hard to be in compliance. Especially being that we dont have tons of content. How could anyone have been in compliance 8 months ago when the latest regs were just realeased? Sure, everybody is doing what the new law states to the best of their knowledge. We started awhile ago *to the best of our knowledge* But i want to wait for my attorney to tell me I am in compliance before I go shooting my mouth off that I am. That's smart business.Originally posted by Shooting_Manic
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By June 23rd we will be 100% compliant and so will the webmasters that promote us that choose to be.
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The regs/proposal of Aug of last year were more strick then the lastest actual regs.. We/I used those to make sure I was covered by the ones of last summer and beleive me... I am as well as many that I work with. Many programs, well and above whats on your little list Funny how people ignored all that last summer and now its getting them in the ass.Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
If you are waiting or have waited for your attorney to tell you what to do then Im afraid you are a year to late. We were doing mock 2257 inspections in August of last year based on the proposed regs to the current regs which were much more strict. We had our lawyers into this a year ago and made a business decision in July of last year to bring everything we have to full compliance by the standards set by the proposed regs. Most everyone else was saying it would never happen. hahaha! Go ahead.. wait for your injunction... and when it does not happen or the regs go through anyways... what then? It takes more then a few days to build this data base ya know.
Also, if you think giving the models id to affiliates is a good idea and part of your business plan if an injunction does not go through, then you are a fool.
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Please check our program out.. we are not only 100% compliant.. we are in the process of building the 2257 requirements straight into our own custom CMS ( Content Management System ) MyContentEngine.comOriginally posted by DirtyWhiteBoyComment
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I'm not clear. Are you refering only to sponsors passing out ID's to affiliates, or are you saying content providers should not be providing unobfuscated ID's?Originally posted by Shooting_ManicComment
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All I said is im waiting for an offical inspection from my attorney to make sure I am in compliance, and give me the seal of approval. As far as I know we are. I want to hear it from my attorney first.Originally posted by Shooting_Manic
And as far as models ID's go, its not my idea to give them out. it's the doj's. How do you expect to run a cash program without affiliates? And, now that affiliates are secondary producers, how do i get around that? Do you run a cash program? Let me know.
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better than affiliates going to jailOriginally posted by Shooting_ManicComment
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That would be the answer I am looking for. Thanks.Originally posted by lagwagon
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Yeah seriously, you guys need to lay off Duke. I'm sure every sponsor wants to be compliant, but we've heard the same things from our lawyer...so we are waiting as well. Should it be nessessary to jeprodize every model we've ever shot's privacy to stay in business, we will do so.Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
It's really a damned if you do / damned if you don't situation.
I doubt that anyone is this business is more concerned about this than me, but if you ask almost any top attorney...they will say that it is still too early to know exactly how to handle this. There is a lot of gray area in the new laws that needs to be sorted out, so going of half cocked isn't helping anyone.Comment
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Originally Posted by Shooting_Manic
You are really going to send your models ids out to affiliates? Really? God, thats scary. Hope you are kidding.
I didnt make the rules. I simply have to follow them. Dont throw the moral card at me sir. I do not agree with this anymore than you or anyone else. But I WILL FOLLOW and COMPLY with whatever my government says I have to comply with relating to 2257. Thats all this industry needs now is people like yourself blaming producers for following the law. When you go on a witch hunt, pls limit yourself to the witches.
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I know for me... I have an "official" program waiting to open once the 2257 dust settles, but I will be screening ALL affiliates before I hand out IDs and dropping any affiliates who signed up and don't really send any traffic or sales to me.
With that said, not a single ID will be given out until June 23.Comment
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Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
That is exactly how we will proceed. Affiliate screening will increase along with an indepth tos.
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That is the smartest thing I've heard on GFY in a long time.Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoyComment
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Exactly my friend.Originally posted by xxxjay
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Our best converting site Pornstar Classics is exempt from 2257 along with two new Classic sites going live in June although, we are waiting on a final analysis from our lawyer as to the exact requirements with regards to the 2257 Exemption Statement.
All our non-exempt sites we have our docs in place but again, are waiting on making an official release until we've discussed with legal.
We not lawyers and don't want to officially post where we stand until we have an indepth legal meeting on the Regs. I suspect this is why you are not hearing back from many sponsors in this post.
But, this is where Smashbucks is at the moment on this subject.
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There is no way to tell unless you ask. Part of being compliant is giving out the IDs. This is the 2nd thread I have asked who is complient and THREE have said yes.Originally posted by Shooting_Manic
Are they giving out IDs? if not... They are not compliant yet. If so, they need to make that info public so we can switch to them. I know several programs who are NOT going to give out that information.Originally posted by Shooting_ManicComment
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I understand where your coming from Duke. Just trying to find out where everyone stands at this moment.Originally posted by DukeSkywalkerComment
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Originally posted by $pikesOur best converting site Pornstar Classics is exempt from 2257 along with two new Classic sites going live in June although, we are waiting on a final analysis from our lawyer as to the exact requirements with regards to the 2257 Exemption Statement.
All our non-exempt sites we have our docs in place but again, are waiting on making an official release until we've discussed with legal.
We not lawyers and don't want to officially post where we stand until we have an indepth legal meeting on the Regs. I suspect this is why you are not hearing back from many sponsors in this post.
But, this is where Smashbucks is at the moment on this subject.
You have any old Christy Canyon on there? God, I love that girl. That is the perfect body IMHO.Comment
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Seems there are many in the same boat $pikes A few threads up everyone is saying they are in complaince. Thats impossible. All the attornies are fighting over what it exactly means still. And a poster a few threads up just happens to have it all figured out when top guys like obenberger and walters are still reading this over with a fine tooth comb? I know when something is beyond me. And this is. I do not profess to have the answers until my cousel tells me what to do. All that matters RIGHT NOW is that I am IN COMPLIANCE with CURRENT 2257 and will be IN COMPLIANCE with new 2257 on june 23.Originally posted by $pikesOur best converting site Pornstar Classics is exempt from 2257 along with two new Classic sites going live in June although, we are waiting on a final analysis from our lawyer as to the exact requirements with regards to the 2257 Exemption Statement.
All our non-exempt sites we have our docs in place but again, are waiting on making an official release until we've discussed with legal.
We not lawyers and don't want to officially post where we stand until we have an indepth legal meeting on the Regs. I suspect this is why you are not hearing back from many sponsors in this post.
But, this is where Smashbucks is at the moment on this subject.
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Oh yeah... Christy's hot... and still hot. Mike and I had lunch with her a few months ago... so cool!Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
Duke... couldn't agree with you more. Everything is up in the air for EVERYONE. It looks fairly good for our pre-1995 movies but time will tell and we should be able to make an educated and official announcement this week.
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ummmmm... question: y is everyone cool with giving out a models ID when her age isn't even in question?
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Originally posted by opflix
No One is cool with giving out a models ID. It just has to be done. Sure I could not give my affilates that info but then whats the point of having a program then. Whats the point of nats, or my free hosting or all that. If I have to give out ID to be compliant I will give out ID.
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I saw a pic of her (clothed) somewhere online and it looks like she got a boob reduction? Say it isn't so!!! My heart is breaking.Originally posted by $pikesOh yeah... Christy's hot... and still hot. Mike and I had lunch with her a few months ago... so cool!
Duke... couldn't agree with you more. Everything is up in the air for EVERYONE. It looks fairly good for our pre-1995 movies but time will tell and we should be able to make an educated and official announcement this week.
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Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
well, i never planned to just let anyone advertise my shit anyhow... i would be cool with allowing established business cats i'm familiar with get access to that info... but just ANY mafucka that signs up? fuck that. we all will just have to make our programs more exclusive in order to maintain the trust of those who participate in the production of our content.
as i've said from the jump... this is simply being used to prune the industry. nothing to stop the exploitation of children, just curb the number of mafuckas that are working the adult online industry in the continental US.... its an abuse of power & its fucking sad.
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I agree. Giving those out is going to suck bigtime. And when one of these girls gets attacked or raped because of it... Are we still going to pass them out?Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
What a pickle we're in.
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me in a pickle...
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Originally posted by opflixwell, i never planned to just let anyone advertise my shit anyhow... i would be cool with allowing established business cats i'm familiar with get access to that info... but just ANY mafucka that signs up? fuck that. we all will just have to make our programs more exclusive in order to maintain the trust of those who participate in the production of our content.
as i've said from the jump... this is simply being used to prune the industry. nothing to stop the exploitation of children, just curb the number of mafuckas that are working the adult online industry in the continental US.... its an abuse of power & its fucking sad.
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Affiliates will have to show more information I guess. Provide refferences ect.. I dont fully know what we will do as far as that, but I'm sure my attorney will find a workable solution.
however, if the girls were to stand up for their rights and lobby we would all be ok.
This is a catch 22 for sure.. You step up affiliate requirememnts you loose them. You start passing around ID's you loose the models. I also definatley see "hobbyist producers" who film and shoe box the content talking shit about the peopel who have to give out the id's to keep their program in business. This would be a great way to get the girls all to themselves. You would be surprised how much shit you hear from models from hobbyist producers. AND NONE OF THE ONES WHO TALK SHIT ARE ANYTHING OR ANYBODY. I traded girls with Jules Jordan. I dont hear him talking shit. But when some looser gets a girl off of sexy jobs and has a lil 1 chip 100 dollar hi8 sony palm corder, ohh the BS flies around like bees on honey. Maybe this new law will get rid of the hobbyist too.
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I attempted to be a gentleman and not get caught staring but... I broke down.. she was dressed casual/business and looked the same to me as back in the day.Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
Giving out model IDs. This is really a bitch of the new Regs. Not to sound like a broken record but we are waiting to review with legal in this and everything else. One of my questions I have is if this is even legal for us to do with all of California's privacy laws. And god forbid some crazy stalker got an ID from us and then committed a crime against a model? I'm sure some distraught family members would try to hold us responsible too.
Lots to think about.....
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I may be wrong, but I dont think you can be held liable from another law if it was another law that caused you to break it. Kind of like a no left turn law when all there is is a left hand corner and a cliff.Originally posted by $pikesI attempted to be a gentleman and not get caught staring but... I broke down.. she was dressed casual/business and looked the same to me as back in the day.
Giving out model IDs. This is really a bitch of the new Regs. Not to sound like a broken record but we are waiting to review with legal in this and everything else. One of my questions I have is if this is even legal for us to do with all of California's privacy laws. And god forbid some crazy stalker got an ID from us and then committed a crime against a model? I'm sure some distraught family members would try to hold us responsible too.
Lots to think about.....
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So does this mean only webmasters in the USA or with servers hosted in the USA would need to have copies of the ID's?Learn SEO - make $$ residually - icq me 333485092Comment
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Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
Agreed. Just questions I have.. Sounds like we are on the same page Duke
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Originally posted by $pikesAgreed. Just questions I have.. Sounds like we are on the same page Duke
Great minds think alike
Thumbs up bro
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And I have been thinking about face fucking this sexy black chick that lives next door to me.Originally posted by DukeSkywalkerGreat minds think alike
Thumbs up bro
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I got one too! kick ass! HAHAOriginally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
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Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
Sounds good. Need any help?
i'm down
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$pikes check your icq
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Some great responses in this thread, along with a couple misguided ones.
Shooting_Manic, How do you expect a sponser to be compliant without giving the affiliates the ID's? I think you are confusing the 2257 regs for the producer vs. the 2257's that will make secondary producers legal. Most decent producers are 2257 complaint. It's the new secondary producer regulations that make this law assanine and difficult to follow. In order for our affiliates to be legal. they must have the ID's as well.
DWB... We will be compliant come the deadline. I am also pleased that you will be as well.. I love pushing you traffic.
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