For those of you waiting for an injunction on 2257...
 

I was just at a meeting of the FSC and I heard it from the horses mouth:

If there is an injunction filed by the Free Speech Coalition -- IT WILL ONLY COVER MEMBERS OF THE FSC. That is a fact. I disputed this yesterday with somebody on this board, but now have found this to be true. You could file your own injunction to avoid prosecution, but if you want to be part of the FSC injunction -- you need to be a memeber.

End of story.

http://www.freespeechcoalition.com

Thanks for the information Jay

Good looking out, Jay. Here's a bump.

No problemo...keep this fucker bumped becasue there seems to be a lot of confusion on this topic. I was even wrong on it.

You are pretty up to date on this 2257 stuff. Thanks

me too
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What are the chances of them actually getting this injunction?

not too hard to get a injunction

They will most likely get one. There are plenty of grounds to do it.

is that even possible to do? doesn't an injunction put the law on hold? how are they to seperate a certain group to be clear and another not?

you guys jumped brandon pretty hard to... do i hear apologies ?

When an injuction is filed by a party, the injuction only covers that party. In theory, you could file your own injunction, but if you just want to sit on the sidelines and try to be part of the FSC's that won't work.

On the flip, the Feds are less likely to try to enforce a law that is currently enjoined. Me, I'd feel safer knowing that someone is trying to cover my ass.

:2 cents:

We joined last week... Good call I think.. THANKS JAY! :thumbsup

See, at least from my point of view, paying the membership fee to help the cause and as a cost of doing business is a lot better than doing it because the sky is falling.

I'll still be watching this. The new 2257 is something which really needs to be avoided at all costs.

T'ank ye for da info mate.

As for it.. figures. :disgust

i spoke to a lawyer and this is his response:

In theory a injunction only protects individuals covered in the lawsuit.
Historically, the DOJ has not started seperate prosecutions when an
injunction has been entered. That would show disrespect for the court
system and the judge who entered the injunction.

He went on to say the best bet is to be compliant before June 23. The big question in my mind is how do they only protect fsc members without giving them a list of members. Did they answer that at the meeting?

I imagine you would have to get charged first.

oh that would suck dont think lol THey said nothing about that only you have to pay to be protected. Well thats poor lol

I'm not sure how it all works to be honest. You should ask your lawyer. Weather you are protected or not -- it is a good idea to support the FSC.

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Good 2 Know :thumbsup

Jay you are right, the way we see it, they threw alot of shit against the wall, to see how much sticks is the question?

thanks for the info, Smashbucks is now a member! :thumbsup

thanks jay... i could not make it there and im dying to know what happened
call me tomorrow... need to talk to you

They will not go after anyone if the FSC gets an injunction. They will not selectively enforce the law based upon who gave money to the FSC or not. That has never been something done in the past. They will wait.

It's still good to support them, but you are not going to be a target if you don't pony up. I have been in some adult legal battles (non-internet) in the past where injunctions have been granted.

Really, the point is...support them and don't sit on the sidelines and complain when everything goes to shit...do something while you still can!

I'd join, but it insults my intelligence that they're trying to pressure people to join by making up BS like "the injunction will only apply to our members".

Bullshit. An injunction is an injunction. It's not for just one group.

And just because you hear them say otherwise at their own meeting doesn't mean their bullshit isn't any less deep. It's still bullshit. If they get an injunction it will cover everyone. No multi-level-marketing type talk at meetings changes that, either.

If they are granted an injunction I hope it covers the whole law.

Its possible there could be an injunction against 1 or a few issues in the law, and nothing else.

It's definitely to their advantage to tell you that if you're a webmaster you need to contribute at least $300 to them in order for their "members only injunction" to apply to you... but don't you think their being honest would attract more people?

cool, thanx for the info

What is the timeline for an injunction? Having never been involved with one I am fairly clueless.

I am glad joined the other day.

From my experience... and the legal definition of an injuction.. you are right.

Injunction: (law) a judicial remedy issued in order to prohibit a party from doing or continuing to do a certain activity; "injunction were formerly obtained by writ but now by a judicial order" http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn2.1

I wonder if the Free Speach Coalition is going to ask for an injunction for only their members, instead of the industry as a whole. If that's the case it changes everything :pimp

I knew i was right about what exactly is an injunction... you can't target just a certain group... that's rediculous... an injuction puts the law on hold until presented in court and a decision is made.. you can't put a law on hold just for one specific group.. that's retarded... if that's the scheme FSC is pulling, then they can go fuck themselves.. they're no deifferent then the morons who made the law :2 cents:

Apparently, Federal Rules of Civil Procedure are different than say the CCP, in that it only applies to the parties filing the motion.

hmm... i'm gonna call my lawyer in the morning.. again.. :disgust

This has been said but others have said is not true :winkwink:

Mike, send me a 120x60 button and I will put Smashbucks up on ContentShopper for 3 months as promised to anyone donating $100 or more. Yes, if you become a member, that is the same as donating in my eyes.

It was not the FSC that told me the injunction only covered its members...it was a lawyer (and a very good one at that). Either way, it is very unlikely that the feds will seek to prosecute on a law that is currently enjoined, so people argueing both side are right to an extent.

Either way, its time we stopped argueing like a bunch of little bitches, band together, and support the only group that has offered even one glimmer of hope it this shitstorm...the FSC.

http://www.freespeechcoalition.com

Thanks mate.

Thanks for that info

good point also.. this does effect everyone here... i don't get why people are talking shit instead of getting together as one big group...

how about we fuck all with the arguing and join together for ONCE....there have been many times in the past we needed to, and didn't, and got fucked....how about we take this chance to show we are all NOT going to take it

that's the only way to win this... everyone spread the word :warning

Do any of you know if paid membership for companies/individuals from other countries, covers them in anyway, shape or form (on the legal standpoint, should there be an injunction filed by the FSC) - or is paying a membership fee/donation solely to further the FSC efforts? In other words, would it cover the entire FSC members in the industry regardless of where they are located in the world (for foreign folks - webmasters -companies registred in other countries, living out of the US or otherwise) - or does it just cover whomever is registerd and living on US soil?

Well Said!!

:thumbsup :thumbsup

Support the cause and join.

Hmmm yep. I like the cause FSC is fighting, and considered joining - but it always seemed like a "club for americans" to me...i might be wrong?

Exactly what i was thinking. It would be all or none.

November 2nd 2004 comes to mind here.

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