To those leaving due to 2257.
 

Why not just comply? It's not the end of the world. You do have all your releases and ID's right?

if concerned about violent customers banging on your door, use a lawyer to keep your records.

It is like how everyone was going to retire because of Visa, now they are retiring because of 2257.

All it needs is for people to be organised and keep their papers in order and they are fine.

Just a ton of drama queens.

i just use mature grannies they dont have any questions there

Well first of all if you have shit on the internet for thast 4,5,6 years you have to go abck and get all the docs for that. Now that shit might be getting a total of 5 views a month and not making you cash but you still have to take time to get the docs.

Secondly complying even on new stuff takes times which means you make less $ per hour of work and it just may not be worth the time and effort.

Thirdly If one can promote something like anime is which NOT required to have 2257 info why can they not just do that?

Fourthly if you can make money is this biz hopefully you've learned something than can allow you to make money in non-porn. So if you can make the same or more and not have to folow BS rules then why not?

yea for real, if you can make it in this business, you can make it in any business

its like living in NYC...you can move anywhere & make it

If you think these laws are about "protecting children" then you;re either crazy or stupid. they were made not for our benefit, but to put us out of business. Will they succeed? No. Doesn'tr mean they cxan't make thign a pain in the ass for us. Anyone gleefully acepting these news rule is a retard. Thta's be like a jew saying going to a concentrtion camp isn't such a bad thing.

I am not personally worried. Though your comment about using a lawyer to keep your records I believe would be invalid. They seemed to take a big dump on the use of a third party. Then again I may be wrong, have not heard back from our own attorney regarding all of this.

I'm thinking moving my business to another country, fuck the DOJ!

exactly!

for me personally, i was already starting to move towards mainstream and for different reasons other than 2257. the fact that laws are going to be forever tightning its hands around this industrys throat is something i choose not to deal with in a few years from now.

Producing DVDs we are subject to this all the time. I just really dont see what the problem is. All my documents are in order and have been since day one. If someone wants to inspect them then fine.

Nope you can't use a 3rd party. It's right there in the regs. YOU have to have the the docs and YOU have to list your address. The only change they made is that you don't have to have PHYISCAL copies. They can be digital as long as they include scans form the original docs and you have an adress where the original docs can be found. And by digital I don't mean a link on a webpage I mean a digital copy on YOUR harddrive.

Yes YOU are a PRODUCER. YOU hired the girl, so of course it's YOUR responsibility to prove she's 18. And since you have already PROVEN the girl is over 18, why should Joe Schmoe webmaster making TGP galleries have to prove what you have already proven?

Yeah I got the general jist of it myself. Still will wait for lawyer to give me the full 411. For the most part none of this scares me to much, and not to much bother me. Everything on our end is cross indexed, has alias'es, and we started going over each url as well many months back. Just need to toss it all in a database now.

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What pisses me off is that I'll be getting my shit from other people who have already complited.

Running a business carries a risk, period. That is why every Tom, Dick, and Harry doesn't run a business. They aren't willing to take the risk.

You need to decide whether the risk of selling Internet porn is worth the reward. I personally think that it is worth the risk and I am willing to take it. I am also willing to take whatever steps are needed to protect my ass.

This is a business. It is also the easiest business to get into. All you need is a computer, a $10 monthly Internet access subscription, and the will to bust your ass. To me, that is simply amazing.

People will continue to whine and complain, bitch and moan... I won't. I don't particularly like new laws and regulations, but I also know the alternative... a shitty job working for a pimple faced prick in a stuffy office. Fuck that.

Every year a new Chicken Little rears its head and every year he goes back into hiding. I'm not saying this situation is going to disappear, but its also not the end of the world.

Actually shit yeah I have just been looking at it from my point of view.

Shit this is a paperwork nightmare for everyone else.

I'm in the mood for a double cheese combo at wendys

I prolly shouldn't be wasting my time on this but here it goes...

Ok there chicken little, it takes all of 5 minutes to add each set you use to your database. Hardly an argument there about the "less $ per hour of work"

Also, if people were doing what they were suposed to be doing, IE: Keeping all their records (liscences, releases and ID's) organized they would not have an issue with old sites. You provide URls of where the content is featured when you buy it right? if not, you at least keep a file showing yourself where the content is featured right? Please tell me you at least document your work to some degree.

I am guessing that 75% of you haven't been keeping track of your records and that's why you're all panicking.

I have a system in place that takes 5 minutes to update information on. All I have to do is print my records as I get them and keep them on file. My system is on my 2257 page and works quite well. Documenting everything that needs to be documented. If feds need to see the ID's and model's real names they can contact me. I'm in Canada so fuck 'em. There's no need for me to put my address.

Use your brain people. It's not the end of the world unless you weren't keeping tabs on your records, in which case, you're an idiot and not a very smart business man.

Which content company is ready to give full documentation full name, aliases, home address, driver license, dna, medical records, social security.....etc

Shoot your own content and some of the problem is solved

A) Those that wish to pursue other avenues, well WTF do you care? Less competition for you. if someone can make the same or more selling used books on ebay and rather not have to put up with these new regs more power to them.

Me personally, I do mostly PPC so I have no content so I'm not effected. Anything content related I was considering doing I will not do so from now on. The time and effort of complying with rules I believe are BS is not worth it. Not to mention it goes against my personal ethics to comply with BS rules. I'm not going to break the law no matter how much BS it is so my only choice is not to deal with content.

B) If you think these are the last of these kind of BS rules you're crazy.

C) Why do people say "Go work for McDonalds" So we adult webmasters only have the abilty to sell porn or do minimum wage work? Aren't you insulting yourself and your fellow webmasters? Like porn is the only business that runs affiliate programs. Trust me some dude is out there making more money than 90% of us selling ringtones and wallpapers for cell phones or some other crap.

True. And If I were to ever shoot my own stuff I would have complied with the old rules. I don't find a problem with actual PRODUCERS of content having to make sure models are over 18.

gallery submitters dont..this is going to weed tons out because its the sponsors responsibililty to give the info out from what i understand...Gallery submitters have to wait on sponsors..

I don't care. I'm simply commenting.

You go do whatever you want to do. I was voicing my opinion.

I'm pretty sure that sponsors will step up and provide what is needed. Either that, or they lose a HUGE base of affiliates.

You forgot DESCRIPTIONS. The DOJ has to know EXACTLY which pics are in question. Try READING the regs. And you have to include EVERY url that pic in on. What if that pic is on 100 urls?

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Um Joe Blow making TGP galleries or free sites should NOT have to prove what already been proven. Nope I've never ask a sponsor for any 2257 info and I doubt any would have giving me any.

Should have had to. Once again the rule is BS. what person started in this biz and right off the bat asked ofr 2257 info form sponsor and actually got it then documented HERE each pic was located. Get real buddy and get off your high horse.

[quote]I have a system in place that takes 5 minutes to update information on. All I have to do is print my records as I get them and keep them on file. My system is on my 2257 page and works quite well. Documenting everything that needs to be documented. If feds need to see the ID's and model's real names they can contact me. I'm in Canada so fuck 'em. There's no need for me to put my address.[quote]

Perhaps you are failing to distnguish between those that run thier own paysites and affiliates that may just be doing this for part time income. May not be a big deal to YOU, but to some guy just trying to make a few extra $$$ it's major and unecessary pain.

Go fuck off with your pompous attitude. Trust me some starting in this biz in 1997, 98, 99 or 2000 posting to TGPs wasn't fucking worried about his shit. doesn't make them stupid. God you are a self-righteous jerk.

No sponsors will stop giving out free content and tell webmaster to take the current content down.

[QUOTE=GatorB]You forgot DESCRIPTIONS. The DOJ has to know EXACTLY which pics are in question. Try READING the regs. And you have to include EVERY url that pic in on. What if that pic is on 100 urls?

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Um Joe Blow making TGP galleries or free sites should NOT have to prove what already been proven. Nope I've never ask a sponsor for any 2257 info and I doubt any would have giving me any.



Should have had to. Once again the rule is BS. what person started in this biz and right off the bat asked ofr 2257 info form sponsor and actually got it then documented HERE each pic was located. Get real buddy and get off your high horse.

[quote]I have a system in place that takes 5 minutes to update information on. All I have to do is print my records as I get them and keep them on file. My system is on my 2257 page and works quite well. Documenting everything that needs to be documented. If feds need to see the ID's and model's real names they can contact me. I'm in Canada so fuck 'em. There's no need for me to put my address.
So the pic is on 100 urls... big deal. Document it. Stop being lazy.

I agree that joe blow tgp'er shouldn't have to prove what is already proven, so what are you going to do about it besides comply or quit? Stop crying.

Some people may need to scrap some projects, big deal. Scrap em, move on and create more.

Every business has it's major pain. There's no such thing as free money, You have to work at it and treat your business like a business.

Gotta disagree with you on this one. The adult industry is by far the easiest business I have ever encountered in which to "make it". And the lessons you learn here will not be a help, but most likely a hinderance in the real world of business.

[QUOTE=GatorB]You forgot DESCRIPTIONS. The DOJ has to know EXACTLY which pics are in question. Try READING the regs. And you have to include EVERY url that pic in on. What if that pic is on 100 urls?

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Um Joe Blow making TGP galleries or free sites should NOT have to prove what already been proven. Nope I've never ask a sponsor for any 2257 info and I doubt any would have giving me any.



Should have had to. Once again the rule is BS. what person started in this biz and right off the bat asked ofr 2257 info form sponsor and actually got it then documented HERE each pic was located. Get real buddy and get off your high horse.

[quote]I have a system in place that takes 5 minutes to update information on. All I have to do is print my records as I get them and keep them on file. My system is on my 2257 page and works quite well. Documenting everything that needs to be documented. If feds need to see the ID's and model's real names they can contact me. I'm in Canada so fuck 'em. There's no need for me to put my address.
yes, I'm a self rightious pompus jerk because I don;t think the sky is falling and I am willing to comply if/when/where needed. Jebus, it's just more work. Making money requires work, so work "smart" at it and stop expecting easy money. Don;t be fucking lazy, find a way to work around it or shutup, leave and stop crying while you work in a cubicle selling insurance to 90 year olds.

the adult industry has always been fairly easy , yes, for the most part. Now it's just starting to require people to work harder and smater,... mostly just smarter. That's ok though. Shit, I mean, it's a job, not a get rich quick scheme.

Don't worry guys, these people are going to die anyway...

It's not about being lazy. If you can't se the rules for what they are I feel sorry for you.

Do you fucking read? I'm not crying. I'e already stated I do PPC. I have a TEXT ad that either leads to a sponsor or a page with NO PHOTOGRAPHIC CONTENT on it that goes to sponsors. So this rule effects me um NOT AT ALL. I'm speaking up for the little guy who's getting fucked by the people in power.

Just because a rule is BS doesn't mean peole don't already work hard. Get off your high horse. Who in the fuck are you? NOBODY, that's who.

And yes If I piss you off too fucking bad and that goes for any other wannabe dickface reading this thread

Sorry but if I had to get involved witha "real" business and you took me and some guy that did nothing but stocked shelves for Wal-Mart I can guarantee you I'm MUCH more prepared to deal with a "real" business than him.

If your closest rival in the real world is a fella that stocks shelves for Wal-Mart, then may I suggest that you set your sights higher.

A) I'm making apoint

B) Considering everyone here considers everyone else only capable of working at McDonalds( except themselves of course ) is my example that far off?

Yeah...Because that's perfectly legal and all.

NOT!

Mostly because you can no longer use a third party to keep your records unless they are an employee of your company.

Did you read what the government put up before you can up with this?

Alex

People stop worrying about this just comply, most people will never even be bothered.. ask your sponors if they would have the info available incase of an emergency and im sure they would. just a quick download then would be available. Only use sponsors and content that comply which is not to hard and if they dont and cant why would you want to use them anyways???

if you are not using underage or kiddy porn what do you have to worry about??

as long as you can get the documentation needed, I dont think they will give you like 5 minutes to get everything, Im sure they give you time to settle up and get everything in order, and this is the united states where you are not guilty till proven innocent in a court of law. Due process will take away most things and allow you to plea your case if something like this ever came to it...

a lawyer would be an employee of your company if you have hired them to keep the records

Solution? As long as you are not a US citizen or for some reason unwilling to escape and give up this status and quit living in the US - get all servers out of US territory into a more friendly nation, or several.

2257 is then totally meaningless (it saves reading the bullshit) and there is nada obligation to comply with any laws of the US. The only laws that are relevant are the laws of the country in which you reside where they already probably have laws for the protection of children, but without the hassle.

BTW... This current ammendment to 2257 is a nice promo boost for hosting companies in other countries :-) Gotta thank the religeous elements in the US :-)

There is a difference between an employee and paying a fee or paying for prefessional services. An employee would be subject to all sorts of things (including taxes, health, and such) plus it might affect other stands that the lawyer has, their tax situation, etc. Unless it is "in house" council, that is pretty much not going to work out so well.

More importantly, that only applies to companies or corporations. Individuals cannot slime out this way.

The amount of time required to be compliant (even if you only have to do it electronically, you need to create a new record for each model, including cross references for name, stage names, etc) and then cross reference every url that you use an image on, the name of that image, the description of that image, etc. cross referencing again to each and every one of the performers in the image.

a 20 image gallery of a 4 person gangbang requires 4 model rercords, 8 proof of documents, 4 model releases, 20 image records (including descrptions), entries for each of the urls for each image plus the url of the thumb page that they each appear on, and then cross references as needed.

It will take longer to do the documents than it takes to do the work.

Alex