Any potential democrats for 08?
 

So, I'm sitting here watching CNN and I'm thinking... Who's got a realistic chance of getting in the White House? I don't think I'll be able to take another conservative 4 yrs.

08....i'll be honest...it ust aint gonna happen.

We have Obama in '12 or '16


But for this next election...

Kerry - I actually liked..but odds of losing and coming back to win...not high

Edwards - Lets face it, he flat out SUCKED as VP int he campaign. A former lawyer yet cant debate to save his life

Hillary - A lot of people think because its the trendy pick she'd automatically wint he presidency. She wouldnt pull 20% even in most red states. She'd get record #'s in NY, Cali, Wa ....places like this...but not where it counts

Obama - Not enough experience and wont get the nod this time around

McCain - He wont leave the republican party even if he's a liber repub and would have a decent shot at winning as a conservative democrat

There are a number of others but I dont feel they are legit options at this stage.

I really think when push comes to shove the Rep. will end up with Cheney as their candidate. Like him or hate him...he's a very good public speaker and reaches middle america very effectively. He'd be tough to beat

Al Gore...?

hillary gets the nod in 08 against giuliani

"I will say just as hard as I possibly know how to say ... 'If nominated, I will not run,' 'If elected, I will not serve,' or not only no, but 'Hell no,' " Cheney told "Fox News Sunday," making clear he intends to retire from politics at the end of his current term.

President Giuliani will be slightly more tolerable than President Bush :upsidedow

its Jeb Bush his turn in '08 :2 cents:

not really, he and his gestapo wiped smut out of manhattan for the most part, last thing we need is ANOTHER 4 years of right wing conservatism :2 cents:

I thought that with the way he tried to position himself during the schiavo incident, but it's not his time, he's not well groomed enough to win the presidency. He won't run till 2012 or 16

By the time the Republicans get through stacking the courts and senate/congress you'll get another 4 conservative years even if a Dem is elected in '08 :winkwink:

My key word was slightly :upsidedow

Nice post man, but here's my take

We need a fresh face and I don't think any of the above mentioned, while I respect them; stand a chance. Hilary isn't running and I don't think she can win middle america, which is how Bush got relected.

Whoever is next will be categorically the worst president in history. He'll simply have too much shit left over from Bush. you watch.

Hillary is showing herself to be an excellent politician. Article I ran across this morning.

Oddly, Hillary and, Yes, Newt Agree to Agree
By RAYMOND HERNANDEZ
Published: May 13, 2005

WASHINGTON, May 12 - What do Newt Gingrich and Hillary Rodham Clinton want
from each other?

In the 1990's, these two rivals stood on nearly opposite ends of the
political spectrum; he led the assault on the Clinton presidency and helped
derail the ambitious health care plan she championed.

Hillary Rodham Clinton and Newt Gingrich at a press conference on
Wednesday. They have become a political odd couple lately.

But oddly enough, something has changed since then, and it has people talking.

Mr. Gingrich, the former House speaker, has been working alongside the
former first lady on a number of issues, and even appeared with her at a
press conference on Wednesday to promote - of all things - health-care
legislation.

But more puzzling than that, Mr. Gingrich has been talking up Mrs.
Clinton's presidential prospects in 2008, to the chagrin of conservative
loyalists who once regarded him as a heroic figure. Last month, he even
suggested she might capture the presidency, saying "any Republican who
thinks she's going to be easy to beat has a total amnesia about the history
of the Clintons."

What gives?

For Ms. Clinton, standing side by side with her husband's onetime nemesis
gives her the chance to burnish her credentials among the moderates she has
been courting during her time in the Senate.

But in comments this week, she portrayed the rapprochement as one born of
shared policy interests, not calculated politics.

"I know it's a bit of an odd-fellow, or odd-woman, mix," she said. "But the
speaker and I have been talking about health care and national security now
for several years, and I find that he and I have a lot in common in the way
we see the problem."

For his part, Mr. Gingrich, who helped lead the impeachment fight against
President Bill Clinton, called Mrs. Clinton "very practical" and "very
smart and very hard working," adding, "I have been very struck working with
her."

The Clinton-Gingrich connection comes as Mrs. Clinton has increasingly
staked out moderate positions in several areas. She has recently promoted a
more gradual approach to guaranteeing health care for more Americans, a
departure from her efforts in the 1990's, when Republican critics like Mr.
Gingrich accused her of advocating a big-government takeover of the health
care system.

Her recent views on the subject struck a chord with Mr. Gingrich, she recalled.

"Newt Gingrich called and said, 'You're absolutely right,' " Mrs. Clinton said.

As it turns out, Mr. Gingrich and Mrs. Clinton have a lot more in common
now that they have left behind the politics of the 1990's, when she was a
symbol of the liberal excesses of the Clinton White House and he was a
fiery spokesman for a resurgent conservative movement in Washington.

Beyond the issue of health care, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Gingrich have forged
a relatively close relationship working on a panel the Pentagon created to
come up with ways to improve the nation's military readiness, according to
people close to them.

Mr. Gingrich says he has been struck by how pro-defense Mrs. Clinton has
turned out to be at a time when other Democrats have criticized President
Bush's decision to go to war against Iraq. He chalked that up to her
experience in the White House, where her husband, as commander in chief,
had to deal with grave national security matters.

"Unlike most members of the legislature, she has been in the White House,"
he said. "She's been consistently solid on the need to do the right thing
on national defense."

It was, in fact, during one of the defense panel's meetings in Norfolk that
Mr. Gingrich suggested to her that they join efforts to push legislation on
an area of mutual concern: the need to spur greater online exchanges of
medical information among patients, doctors, health insurers and other
medical experts. That, in turn, led to the press conference that both
attended this week.

For all the headlines this unlikely duo is grabbing now, the thaw in their
relationship dates back at least to December 2003, when Mr. Gingrich showed
up on "Meet the Press," right after Mrs. Clinton had made an appearance of
her own, and predicted that she had what it took to be the Democratic
nominee for president - a comment that was noticed inside Mrs. Clinton's
inner circle.

On Thursday, he reiterated his belief that she will be a formidable
challenger if she decides to run for the presidency in 2008. "Any
Republican who thinks she's going to be easy to beat in 2008 really
misunderstands the Clintons."

Exactly why Mr. Gingrich has been so effusive about Mrs. Clinton is an open
question. He says he has been impressed by the job she has done since
becoming a senator.

But others say that he gains as much politically as she does by sharing a
stage with her, at a time when he is said to be mulling over the
possibility of running for the presidency in 2008

"It's mutually beneficial," said Hank Sheinkopf, a Democratic strategist.
"He gets to appear to be a mainstream figure and she gets to appear as
someone who is willing to work with everyone, no matter their ideology."

But Mr. Gingrich may end up paying a price politically for engaging in what
many conservatives regard as heresy. "He is trying to change his image into
a softer and more gentle Newt," said Michael Long, the chairman of the New
York State Conservative Party. "That is a major mistake on his part."

Hmmm... maybe it might actually be smart for the Reps to let a Dem take the presidency for a term, since they would control the legislative and the judiciary. The president would take the fall for everything bad while they could stand in the "background" taking credit for anything that happens to work out :1orglaugh

LOL, is that Bob? :1orglaugh

President Giuliani will be slightly more tolerable than President Bush

After seeing what Giuliani did to the porn industry in NYC it might not be so tolerable for most of us here to see him as prez. His "I'm too important to leave office' routine after 9/11 wasn't a good indication for me of how he would handle more power. Besides, he's making a killing selling speeches to the conservative apes all across this great land...having a real job would surely suck after making all that $$$.

Biden would rock.

Gore/Clinton

lol too funny