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Dagwolf 05-23-2005 12:49 AM

What do you know about the Atkins diet?
 
I just started on it. I really didn't have a choice; my wife started today and there's nothing else to eat in the house but diet food (i.e. steak, real butter, salads, hamburger, cheese etc. etc.)

It's actually not much of a change for me except I'm cutting out bread, sugar in my coffee and the occasional cookie or chocolate bar.

I'm really going to miss the bread.


So, who else is on this and what do you know/think about it? Does anyone know about the effects of this diet on diabetes, or possible side-effects? I'm reading conflicting reports about the healthiness/unhealthiness of this diet.

Dagwolf 05-23-2005 12:52 AM

I'm a little baffled that I'm now being told that fruit is bad but bacon is good for my heart and will help me lose weight? :O

WTF?!

tical 05-23-2005 12:53 AM

What type diabetes?

Dagwolf 05-23-2005 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tical
What type diabetes?

Type 2...

tical 05-23-2005 12:55 AM

do you use insulin?

pornguy 05-23-2005 12:55 AM

One of the draw backs about the Atkins Diet, is that you will end up with bad breath. If you do some research, you will find this to be true.

tical 05-23-2005 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tical
do you use insulin?

actually, if not then a low carb lifestyle is good for you.

spunkmaster 05-23-2005 01:01 AM

Eat some carbs once every 5-7 days or you'll feel like shit.

Have a weekly pizza day or something or make some pasta
once a week.

Just an FYI heart attacks were never known in the uS until
refined foods were eaten. Before that bacon and eggs and meat
was the diet and not too many got heart attacks or cancer !

BlueWire 05-23-2005 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spunkmaster
Eat some carbs once every 5-7 days or you'll feel like shit.

Have a weekly pizza day or something or make some pasta
once a week.

Just an FYI heart attacks were never known in the uS until
refined foods were eaten. Before that bacon and eggs and meat
was the diet and not too many got heart attacks or cancer !

Except for Dr. Atkins himself! :thumbsup

Dead at 72 from massive heart attack...6 feet tall 260 lbs...sign ME up! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Dagwolf 05-23-2005 01:04 AM

I don't use insulin; I haven't actually been diagnosed with diabetes. Due to the fact that I'm not actually a Canadian citizen, seeing a doctor here is fairly expensive for me. What I know for sure is that I have a problem with blood sugar:
1. Large doses of sugar put me to sleep and sometimes make me feel ill (1 deep-fried glazed apple fritter will do it).
2. When I need to eat, I have to eat right away or I start feeling weak and nauseous; I also get extremely irritable.

I've been on this diet for less than a day and I already have a lot more energy. I can't say that the same will hold true tomorrow; I haven't researched it.

Corona 05-23-2005 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueWire
Except for Dr. Atkins himself! :thumbsup

Dead at 72 from massive heart attack...6 feet tall 260 lbs...sign ME up! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

You should have your own show on FOX because you don't know anything about the subject you are talking about.

Dr. Atkins slipped on the ice and hit his head. He was in a coma and as a result had a large amount of fluid retention just before he died.

Dagwolf 05-23-2005 01:13 AM

See, I didn't even know Dr. Atkins was dead. I just got through reading a transcript of a live IRC chat session with him and thought he held them regularly. :-/

Corona 05-23-2005 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy
One of the draw backs about the Atkins Diet, is that you will end up with bad breath. If you do some research, you will find this to be true.

Some people get bad breath some don't. Just from my group of friends who tried Atkins only about 30% had it.

Dagwolf 05-23-2005 01:15 AM

What do the critics say?
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Many nutrition experts disagree with the basic premise of the Atkins Diet?the notion that high-carbohydrate, low-fat diets cause obesity. For evidence of the implausibility of the Atkins Diet, some nutritionists point out that the traditional Japanese diet is very high in carbohydrates, low in protein, and very low in fat; however, before the introduction of high-fat and high-protein Western foods, being overweight was rare in Japan. Such findings make sense because ounce for ounce, carbohydrates contain far fewer calories than do fats. These critics blame the overconsumption of calories (from any source) and lack of physical activity as the primary causes of obesity.

Dagwolf 05-23-2005 01:18 AM

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Depending on the foods chosen by the dieter, the diet may contain a large amount of saturated fat and cholesterol, putting those at risk for heart disease in danger. Recent research has found that high-protein diets speed up the progression of hardening of the arteries (atherosclerosis), the main cause of heart attacks. Moreover, contrary to Atkins? claims, extremely low-fat diets have been found to partially reverse heart disease.
I don't think the guy's a quack, but he may have been trying too hard.

This is going to take some research. I don't want to kill myself by skipping toast.

Nightwind 05-23-2005 01:20 AM

Well the research i have done on Atkins and what i've seen from others is, it really drains your energy and leaves you feeling tired most of the time. It also makes your blood pressure sky rocket. This of course can depend on the individual and there must be some reason why it is so popular, but i wouldn't look as Atkins as some miracle diet that doesn't have any drawbacks. So i suggest you test it out with a little waryness.

Dagwolf 05-23-2005 01:22 AM

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With regard to safety factors, there were no adverse effects on cholesterol and triglyceride levels. On the contrary, in one study the Atkins diet was more effective than the low-fat diet for improving triglyceride levels. Other laboratory tests, however, suggested that long-term use of the Atkins diet could increase the risk of kidney stones and osteoporosis. Furthermore, one study found a 2.2% reduction in bone density after only six weeks on the diet.
Goddamit, I don't think my wife did enough research on this diet. :( I'm skeptical myself.

Still, I've got to see what the advocates have to say about all this...

grumpy 05-23-2005 01:23 AM

Didnt the inventor of that diet died of a hart attack and overweight?


http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/atkins.asp


Yep...found it

bringer 05-23-2005 01:24 AM

atkins doesnt work
its nothing more then a quick fix

riddler 05-23-2005 01:25 AM

Atkins will be rough for the first 2-3 weeks, More than likely your wife or you will stick to it if you do a lot of physical activities, When your body is switching from burning carbs to fat you loose all energy you feel like shit, I made it to week three and i was like my god i cant stand this no more so i drank a big red and i was like super man on crack :1orglaugh

Snake Doctor 05-23-2005 01:26 AM

9 out of 10 doctors agree that Atkins works......

















because nobody wants to eat that shit anyways.

riddler 05-23-2005 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bringer
atkins doesnt work
its nothing more then a quick fix

lol thats bullshit, It does work but most people dont stick to it because its like living in hell for the first month until your body switches to fat burning mode and you get energy back

webcrawler 05-23-2005 01:27 AM

i'm starting to have doubts on this one.

riddler 05-23-2005 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwolf
I just started on it. I really didn't have a choice; my wife started today and there's nothing else to eat in the house but diet food (i.e. steak, real butter, salads, hamburger, cheese etc. etc.)

It's actually not much of a change for me except I'm cutting out bread, sugar in my coffee and the occasional cookie or chocolate bar.

I'm really going to miss the bread.


So, who else is on this and what do you know/think about it? Does anyone know about the effects of this diet on diabetes, or possible side-effects? I'm reading conflicting reports about the healthiness/unhealthiness of this diet.

From what i read you cant even eat salad or certain cheeses, Because when going through the inital atkins transition you have to only consume a maxium of 20? carbs in a day which is less than whats in a normal can of soda, pretty much your stuck on meats, barely any vegies because most contain natural sugars and any starch foods..

kelly 05-23-2005 01:30 AM

Stick to it for the first 2 weeks and see how you feel at the end of it :winkwink:

You may feel a bit crappy sometime between day 3 and 5 as your body adjusts to low carb intake then as your body goes into ketosis (fat burning mode) your energy should shoot up, also a big part of this is if you feel hungry then go eat something!

My blood sugar came under control in the first 10 days and it's been fine ever since, my blood pressure and cholesterol levels came right down within 3 months.

You should read the book thoroughly or start by going to the Atkins website.

Good luck.

bringer 05-23-2005 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MrC
lol thats bullshit, It does work but most people dont stick to it because its like living in hell for the first month until your body switches to fat burning mode and you get energy back

no, it doesnt work because of the food you're allowed to eat and get away with on the diet. people eat bacon, steaks and cheeseburgers for every meal, things that shouldnt normally be eaten more then 1-2times a week. im sorry, but if you're going to carls jr and ordering the atkins burger you're never going to lose weight. once you're off the diet you'll be back ordering the doublecheese burger with a bun and fries on the side. you're fat because you cant control your eating habits, so dont expect stay slim eating fastfood and fatty meat with the carbs once you're off the diet.

riddler 05-23-2005 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kelly
Stick to it for the first 2 weeks and see how you feel at the end of it :winkwink:

You may feel a bit crappy sometime between day 3 and 5 as your body adjusts to low carb intake then as your body goes into ketosis (fat burning mode) your energy should shoot up, also a big part of this is if you feel hungry then go eat something!

My blood sugar came under control in the first 10 days and it's been fine ever since, my blood pressure and cholesterol levels came right down within 3 months.

You should read the book thoroughly or start by going to the Atkins website.

Good luck.

:winkwink: :thumbsup You was lucky to have your energy shoot up in less than 10 days, I hit three weeks and i was dragging heh, Vitamins and Herbs come in handy when doing atkins

Dagwolf 05-23-2005 01:33 AM

Nope, he died of a head injury:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...atements_x.htm
Quote:

It is also clear that my husband's death resulted from a serious head injury that occurred April 8th, 2003. Hospital records obviously and unequivocally detail the unfortunate clinical course that transpired following arrival of Emergency Medical Services through the entirety of hospitalization, confirming that after losing consciousness en route to the hospital, Robert's condition failed to improve despite emergency neurosurgical treatment for bleeding within his head. In life, Dr. Atkins was adamant about not wanting life support and when his wishes were honored, and ventilator life support was withdrawn on April 17th, he passed away as has been widely reported in the media.
The urban legend that he died of a heart attack is a transparent attempt to discredit the diet.

I'm after the truth...

kelly 05-23-2005 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrC
From what i read you cant even eat salad or certain cheeses, Because when going through the inital atkins transition you have to only consume a maxium of 20? carbs in a day which is less than whats in a normal can of soda, pretty much your stuck on meats, barely any vegies because most contain natural sugars and any starch foods..

Actually - if you're not eating 3 lots of veggies a day then you're not on Atkins you're doing an extreme low carb diet :2 cents:

riddler 05-23-2005 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bringer
no, it doesnt work because of the food you're allowed to eat and get away with on the diet. people eat bacon, steaks and cheeseburgers for every meal, things that shouldnt normally be eaten more then 1-2times a week. im sorry, but if you're going to carls jr and ordering the atkins burger you're never going to lose weight. once you're off the diet you'll be back ordering the doublecheese burger with a bun and fries on the side. you're fat because you cant control your eating habits, so dont expect stay slim eating fastfood and fatty meat with the carbs once you're off the diet.

You have a lack of knowledge in atkins, Its not all about fatty foods, They want you to eat meats because meats are some of the good sources of food with no carbs and proteins, Never heard of many people doing low carb diets correctly going to any fast food place most will cook up a weeks worth of chicken or hamburger on a grill and put it in the fridge and eat on it.. If your going to a fast food place for low carb stuff youre pretty much a fucking idiot because it usally isnt low carb as they say

bringer 05-23-2005 01:35 AM

if you want something that works checkout http://www.medifast1.com/

riddler 05-23-2005 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelly
Actually - if you're not eating 3 lots of veggies a day then you're not on Atkins you're doing an extreme low carb diet :2 cents:

From what i read on the atkins website was they wanted me to eat only low carb stuff no vegies only certain ones and no cheeses and other things like that for the initial transition to kick your body in to the fat burning mode

Corona 05-23-2005 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrC
:was lucky to have your energy shoot up in less than 10 days, I hit three weeks and i was dragging heh, Vitamins and Herbs come in handy when doing atkins

I had the same experience as Kelly.

The first two or three days were rough as you switch over to no carbs but after that I had much more energy.

Dagwolf 05-23-2005 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrC
From what i read you cant even eat salad or certain cheeses, Because when going through the inital atkins transition you have to only consume a maxium of 20? carbs in a day which is less than whats in a normal can of soda, pretty much your stuck on meats, barely any vegies because most contain natural sugars and any starch foods..

Actually I'm supposed to eat about 4 cups of salad a day. :-/

The fiber apparently is subtracted from the total, and lettuce is fairly low-carb anyway.

WHoops, back up: Fiber is a carbohydrate BUT it inhibits carb absorption ? something like that so
Total carbs minus carbs from fiber = net carbohydrates.
So if lettuce has 2 grams of carbs but 1 gram of it is fiber, the net carbohydrate count for a serving of lettuce would be 1 gram.

riddler 05-23-2005 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwolf
Actually I'm supposed to eat about 4 cups of salad a day. :-/

The fiber apparently is subtracted from the total, and lettuce is fairly low-carb anyway.

Ahh, Every eating plan is diffrent for alot of people, I went for the extremist no carbs at all style heh, I lost like 20lbs in a few weeks but i felt like i was kicked in the face the whole time and the nice thing is i never gained that weight back

DesignWise 05-23-2005 01:39 AM

i go to gym almost every day and workout for 2-3 hours, will you recommend atkins?

kelly 05-23-2005 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrC
From what i read on the atkins website was they wanted me to eat only low carb stuff no vegies only certain ones and no cheeses and other things like that for the initial transition to kick your body in to the fat burning mode

You should have 20g of carbs from veggies, there's a list on the site of 'approved' veggies/salad stuff to eat on the first 2 weeks and most regular cheeses from the deli counter are fine as they have only a tiny amount of carbs, there are some that you need to avoid.

riddler 05-23-2005 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DesignWise
i go to gym almost every day and workout for 2-3 hours, will you recommend atkins?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh You eat right?

Dagwolf 05-23-2005 01:41 AM

Well, a week of it won't kill me. :)

However, a liter of Big Red just might!

riddler 05-23-2005 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelly
You should have 20g of carbs from veggies, there's a list on the site of 'approved' veggies/salad stuff to eat on the first 2 weeks and most regular cheeses from the deli counter are fine as they have only a tiny amount of carbs, there are some that you need to avoid.

Ahh yeah, Atkins is a life style change, I didnt have the money to change my food buying much more than it was, Pretty fucked up to remember how to calc up all the carbs and stuff when going shopping

riddler 05-23-2005 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwolf
Well, a week of it won't kill me. :)

However, a liter of Big Red just might!

But but but big red is soooooo gooooodddd :D

Dagwolf 05-23-2005 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DesignWise
i go to gym almost every day and workout for 2-3 hours, will you recommend atkins?

Who, me? I wouldn't recommend it. I'm asking people with experience what THEY think, and I'm sharing my research on it as I go.

bringer 05-23-2005 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrC
You have a lack of knowledge in atkins, Its not all about fatty foods, They want you to eat meats because meats are some of the good sources of food with no carbs and proteins, Never heard of many people doing low carb diets correctly going to any fast food place most will cook up a weeks worth of chicken or hamburger on a grill and put it in the fridge and eat on it.. If your going to a fast food place for low carb stuff youre pretty much a fucking idiot because it usally isnt low carb as they say

i know a lot about atkins. i also know how people use it. people arent 50lbs overweight from eating chicken and vegetables all the time. maybe the people you know do it the correct way, but the ones ive known to go on the low carb diet use it as an excuse to eat total shit. when they lose weight it becomes programmed into their brains that this is the correct food to eat and they fuck themselves over in the end. id say about 75% of the people on low carb diets are only on it by word of mouth rather then reading the book and understanding it completely. "you mean i can have bacon and hamburgers for every meal and lose weight? sign me up!"

btw, if people werent buying the lowcarb shit from fastfood places they'd stop selling it.

edit: atkins isnt a life time solution which is why i original said it was a quick fix
how many people you know have been on it more then once?

Corona 05-23-2005 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwolf
WHoops, back up: Fiber is a carbohydrate BUT it inhibits carb absorption ?

Fiber is a carb but does not much if any impact on blood sugar so you don't count it.

Dagwolf 05-23-2005 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightwind
Well the research i have done on Atkins and what i've seen from others is, it ...makes your blood pressure sky rocket.

I've been looking for this but most of what I've seen are claims that it actually LOWERS blood pressure, and I haven't seen anyone disputing that part.

However, there are indications that a diet high in protein can cause heart and/or kidney problems.

BlueWire 05-23-2005 01:50 AM

Keep eating bacon and eggs everyday for breakfast....I'm sure you'll live a long life :thumbsup


Any nutritionist that doesnt have an agenda will tell you that while Americans as a whole eat too many carbs and a lower carb lifestyle might be healthy ...cutting them out period (or close to it) is just unhealthy.

Last time i checked every method of weight loss was not healthy just because you lose fat/weight




People are such fucking doosh bags when it comes to weight loss...


EAT A LITTLE LESS...EXERCISE A LITTLE MORE....TENDS TO WORK


Jeezus...i should write a book

bringer 05-23-2005 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwolf
However, there are indications that a diet high in protein can cause heart and/or kidney problems.


make sure you consume a lot of liquids. ketosis can really fuck up your kidneys if you arent hydrating yourself properly

Dagwolf 05-23-2005 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bringer
edit: atkins isnt a life time solution which is why i original said it was a quick fix
how many people you know have been on it more then once?

Atkins CLAIMS to be a lifetime solution. Have you been to their (incredibly slow-loading) site? http://www.atkins.com

I don't know about giving up potatoes, bread and chocolate bars for life. I mean sure, there's more to life than sweets and starchy foods, but there's more to life than sex too and I don't want to give THAT up.

In fact, if I had to give up french fries, sex and chocolate bars I think my quality of life would be halved...

OMG WHAT IF THEY FIND OUT SEX CAUSES CANCER???? :1orglaugh

DesignWise 05-23-2005 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrC
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh You eat right?

yeah... 2 big mac.. after workout makes my day... :pimp

Corona 05-23-2005 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwolf
However, there are indications that a diet high in protein can cause heart and/or kidney problems.

This is from the Atkins website.

Fallacy: You eat too much protein when doing Atkins, which is bad for the kidneys.

Fact: Too many people believe this untruth simply because it has been repeated so often that even intelligent health professionals assume it must have been reported somewhere.

But the fact is that it has never been reported anywhere. No one has as yet produced a study for review, or even cite a specific case in which a diet high in protein causes any form of kidney disorder. The only remotely related phenomenon is the fact that when someone is already suffering from far-advanced kidney disease, it is difficult for that person?s body to handle protein. But protein has nothing to do with the cause of the kidney problem.


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