sept 11th profitting!!
 

http://www.phoenix-books.org/

I can't believe people are trying to profit off this tragedy already!!!



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they should give it away for free?

well there are also books on Pearl Harbor

Whatta ya mean? Some places jacked up the price of the American flag right after it happened. Gas prices shot up in some places. It started immediately. The book tho...I think people would be interested in...



[This message has been edited by eRock (edited 01-17-2002).]

if there isnt books on these things they dissapear in history with no trace

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Just like the Boneprone / Exxxotica fight last year. I bet no one remembers that.



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Already? People were collecting Sep 11 news papers and selling at an inflated price since it hit the headlines. You can buy news papers and magazines that headlined Sep 11th on online auctions and shit like that. That's more disturbing if you ask me.
Those are people profiting off tragedy. Writting a book though is just documenting history.

Already? There's a waiting period or something?

Funny,.... I sense the outrage, yet you have no problem turning a buck off some chick gettin' gang probed for amusement.

I actually heard a person at the store just after Sep 11 as he was buying all the newspapers available and he told the clerk. "I'm buying them all because some day they will be worth some good money."

Now thats a bit more twisted..

Umm I think there is a differnce between selling images of people that legally consent to being in those images and selling off a tragedy, that included people that I am 100% sure did not consent to being involved in that tragedy.

Your argument makes no sense at all.



[This message has been edited by Flea@ (edited 01-17-2002).]

Thanks Flea, took the words right out of my keyboard..

There is no comparison between people profiting off Sept 11th and profiting from porn..

As Flea pointed out, there was no consent from Sept 11th, for people to profit..

I'm sure 99% of people who produce porn consent to it.

Anyone who profits off tragedies like Sept 11th should be ashamed of themselves.



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It says the profits from book will be given to three schools closed down after the incident. Did you look at the site at all?

Hmm, no I didn't actually...Oops...This is a different story then... My mistake!



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LOL, well at least your honest. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Hey if proven wrong I'll admit it and apologise http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif.



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Are you kidding me with this? It was a fucking world event.
I hardly think anyone needs to consent to something such as a building coming down that they have zero control over. It happened. It was huge. There will be books written about it, probably a movie, countless t-shirts, images, DVDs, Video tapes, coffee table pictorials, tv shows, etc. etc. etc. Get used to it. It's part of history. They sell stuff about most major world events in every book store and video store and novelty shop all over the globe every day of the week. And you are so blinded to reality as to think that no one is making money from it all?

Check back in a week... I'll be selling drink coasters of the memorial.

Umm.. did you bother to read my reply? It was in response to your comparing porn webmasters to people selling Sep 11th stuff.

There is no comparison. Sure history will be documented, but the guy on Sep12th buying all the newspapers because "They will be worth money some day." Is a bit twisted. I'm sure he would have had a differnt attitude if one of his family members died in that tragedy.

One of the best moves in TV history was the major channels going ad free while reporting on the attacks.

Keep working on the reading comprehension there. Maybe things will start to make more sense to you then.

Okay Flea... let's dance.
Yes Flea. I did read your reply.

Yes there is. Why is there no comparison? It's just business. Doesn't matter what you're selling. It's all about turning a profit. You sell porn without blinking an eye, but then wanna get all moral and shit about a fucking book about some event? Hypocrite.

Opportunist.
Yep, he probably would. Probably also would've been too busy to be out buying newspapers.

Not all of them were ad free. And I guarantee you that their ad spot prices went way up during September. Hmmmm.... are they the Great Satan?

Blow me. Comprehend that.

I wasn't getting all moral about a book. Books document history. If you bothered to read all of my posts in this thread you would see that I was not putting down the book but people that collect, for resale, Sep 11th magazines etc, like they are baseball cards.

"Blow me."

Your debate shows much maturity. I have some really great links I could refer you to, to help you improve your reading comprehension. Brush up a bit then feel free to bring your debate back to me.

"Blow me." Is not a sutible defense for your rather randomly weak aurgument.

[This message has been edited by Flea@ (edited 01-17-2002).]

Don't twist it. Snazzy started this with being upset, obviously, about someone making a profit from 911. I replied that I found it humorous that he could sell porn without any qualms, yet be so upset about someone making money from 911.

YOU then replied to me that there is no comparison between adult webmasters and someone making money from 911. But there is. It's just business. Since there is in fact a comparison, then your argument must be a moral one. Which I find to be hypocritical.


I assign a level of maturity to my posts equivalent to that of those to which I respond.

I feel your pain. You keep trying to push this intellectual angle, hoping desperately that you will squeak it by.... but it's not going to work with me. I border on the razor sharp edge of Genius.

And I have some links to some excellent spelling and grammar tools for you my infested little friend.

It just plain wrong to make personal gain off this

but if money is going to victims families that' s okay

This sort of shit will always happen with any event - because it's what people WANT

- humans are just sickos

It just plain wrong to make personal gain off this

but if money is going to victims families that' s okay

This sort of shit will always happen with any event - because it's what people WANT

- humans are just sickos

Even if the money were goin' to an author, this is a major event in our country. There's tons of books and movies about vietnam, pearl harbor, WWI, WWII, Desert Storm...you name it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with writing a book about Sept. 11th. Now buyin' newspapers to make a quick busk & rasin' the prices of American flags is a whole different story in my book...no pun intended...

So according to your argument I susppose you might support selling images of under 18 year olds hanging out at a public nude beach? Just business right? Sure it might be just business but there is a bit of common sense that goes with good business. Morality is not a factor as long as common sense is used to its fullist.

No, that's illegal. Did you even go to school at all?
Then try exercising some.

Actually many argue that it's not illegal that its art and in many cases it's gotten by as so legally. Sick, yes. I don't support that at all but some seem to make just business doing it.

To go further, say a bunch of your family members were killed in an automoblie accident and I just happend to be there and take pictures of it. Then I started AmpHeadsDeadRelatives.com and charged a monthly fee to view it. You wouldn't mind right? Just business.



[This message has been edited by Flea@ (edited 01-17-2002).]

You can call it art or strawberry pie. It's still illegal here in the States.

Wouldn't mind at all. I'd probably turn some good money in the lawsuit. I'll let you figure out why.

911 was one of the worst tragedies in our history.

I don't agree with people making money from other's pain & suffering or death. It doesn't matter what the event is. Do you think that if I found some way to profit from people's suffering in say some third world country for example , people would find that acceptable?

Profiting from porn is a completely different story. Not only do the models consent to it, they profit from it, and they probably enjoy it (correct me if I'm wrong).

How can you compare the two?



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See what I mean... No one remembers the Boneprone / Exxxotica blow up of '00
They barely spoke to each other in Vegas.

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Actually there would be no law suit. Non more then taking a video of a crime in progress or a tragedy and selling it to the media. Could the family members of people photgraphed falling from WTC sue the photographer. Nope. Trust me they would have if they could. Taking a picture of a public event gives the photographer the rights to those photos. You would never win a case against that. Maybe against the domain name, so lets say it's named PeopleKilledInCarCrashes.com

Ever bought a US Flag? Do you have any idea how much pain and suffering and blood and heartache is behind that flag? Why do you buy a flag? Is it cuz it's pretty? Do you know what it represents? Do you know how many people have died for that thing?

Sure and one displays it as a sign of respect for all those that died to protect it. Completly differnt from buying all the news papers on Sept 12 so one might sell them for a profit some day.

Do you have a "I survived the Boneprone/Exxxotica Blowup of '00" tshirt to prove it? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif



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How about the funeral homes? They profit every damn day from people's tragedy. Are they evil, cold-hearted bastards too? What about the flower shops? The cemetarys? The fucking limo companies? Are they all evil too?

GET A GRIP.

They are not marketing the tragedy itself silly.. They are performing a service for the families that consent to that being performed and pay for it.

Now if a funeral home went to the morge and grabbed a bunch of bodies, and put them on display with signs pointing to the cause of death and charged strangers to look at them then they would be marketing a tragedy.

We're living in a sick & twisted world I guess...



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How about all the war movies out there? Vietnam, Desert Storm, Pearl Harbor.... there's tons of them. Did all the familys consent to them?

What about "Titanic"? Did they all consent to that? Hell no. But you probably rushed down to buy the fuckin' DVD the day it came out didn't you? We're the film companies "performing a service" to those people? Were the people standing in line and buying tickets to "Full Metal Jacket" performing a service?

You'll notice that neither of them will respond to this post. It's because it was a very sad day in GFY history.


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You have a somewhat valid point with that statment. However those examples fall under a more historical value and didn't show the actual people that were killed being killed. I'm sure there were many people that were upset when such movies were made. I know Saving Private Ryan caused a lot of pain for WWII vets and family members of vets when they viewd it. Once again there is a big differnce between making a movie about an historical event and buying all the news papers on Sep 12th in hopes they will be worth money some day. By doing so almost celebrates the fact that such an event happened, because now it might make the buyer of the newspapers some money.

P.S. I've never even seen "Titanic"


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Oh Jesus Fucking Christ.... you have been far too sheltered Flea. Multi-million blockbuster movies capitalizing on the death of thousands is cool, cuz "they didn't show the actual people", but you're bent over some schmuck buying a couple of lousy .50 cent newspapers?

There were soldiers in Desert Storm taking home Iraqi uniforms, weapons, ID cards, papers, signs, souvineers, rocks, hell.... some even tried to bring back body parts. It's a fact of fucking life man. If there's a buck to be made, someone will find a way to capitalize on it. And if that guy doesn't, someone else will.

I understand that if there is a buck to be made someone will. Unfortuantly I guess that is a sign of our times. When I start PeopleKilledInCarCrashes.com I'll look you up first as a reseller. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

Also those movies were not made and sold to the public even within years of the actual event.

If you want to profit off tragedy and human suffering then that's your gig. I'm not going to argue that with you any more.

Other then that I don't understand why such cursing in your responses. I'm starting to wonder if you were that guy in front of me at the store buying newspapers for resale later. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

That reminds me of a time where I lived in an area that was hit by a hurricane. Electricity, water and just about everything was out for about 2 weeks due to flooding and what not. One of the only places still open to get food was a local fast food restuarant. Instead of being part of the community they decided to take advantage of the crisis and raised thier prices by about 200%. Which by the way is now illegal in many states to do such a thing.

They got shut down by the govenment for their practices and guess what thier argument was? "Hey it's just business."

A sign of our times? It's been going on since the fucking stone age.
Only if it converts.

Bullshit. There was a movie about Desert Storm the same year it started.

This is my hometown:

http://www.theheadless.com/randomjunk/gfruins.jpg

The Flood of '97. There were videos and books being sold AS it was happening.

You're argument of time is invalid.

I'm not profiting off it. In fact, I contributed some graphics to the 911 cause. Free of charge. Don't accuse me of something without some substance.
Yes you are.

Okay mommy, I'll be a good fucking boy. I promise.
I think you're just pissed cuz you didn't think of it first.

It's called "Price gouging", and yes.... it is illegal. How is this relevant?

Bad defense for price gouging. Judges aren't stupid.

I'm rather bored of going over and over how I think it's rather inapropriate to profit off of personal suffering. I never said you did. You just seem to be defending it.

I've said my feelings on the issue. I'm tired of going around in circles over this. plus I need to get to bed anyway. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Despite your hostility I always appreciate a decent debate. I will admit it was a mistake on my behalf to make the rude reading comprehension remarks and appologise for them. I still stick by the rest of my argument though.

I'm not here to make enemies over a moral debate.

On that note I'll leave it at that.

But the movies are okay, right?
Yes you did... it's right here:
There's nothing to defend. It's not illegal. Why would I need to defend someone's legitimate entrepreneurial endeavors? I'm merely illuminating your hypocrisy.

They all cave under the pressure. You're forgiven. You couldn't have known what you were getting into.

There's not a shred of hostility in anything I've said. If you've interpreted my responses that way, perhaps some reflection on your own state of mind is in order.
If it makes you feel better about yourself, then ok... but don't cling to the idea that the comments actually phased me for even a moment.
However twisted they may be, you're entitled to it just like everyone else.
I thought you said earlier that your point was not a moral one? Hmmmm..... look at where we are now. What a predicament, indeed.

thats america for you. people selling hats and t-shirts and raising the price of flags. it's sad but its expected. as long as its not a scam its fair game.

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It's all good Flea. Don't take the swearing and exclamation points and shit as anger. I just get real fired up for a good argument. You can usually see it comin' when I start off with something like "Let's dance"... but I do it in my own way... I'm not Larry King. But I'm certainly not angry or hostile or anyone's enemy.

It's all fun & games til someone swallows a fork. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

the clothes you wear, the shoes on your feet and a lot of the stuff in your house has seen profit from personal suffering

child labor may be cheap, but it comes at a price http://www.dol.gov/dol/ilab/public/p...lp/aboutcl.htm

Damn.. I was in NewYork and some other toerist allmost jumped of the bus as soon as the city bus came close to groundzero. Let them read a book... at least it's not as hard as the blackmarkter there is allready for groundzero visiting tickets (that are given away for free!)

Tanker is very right. Wait for hollywood to jump on topic in a couple of years or even less. Then you'll realise the difference.

I'm doing my part to ensure no one forgets Sept 11.
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Sorry, just trying to lighten things up. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif