FHG's are getting shittier every day
 

I'm declining more FHG 's than I am approving.

1. Banners designed to look like thumbs to big pics. The ONLY reason for this is because your gallery sucks and the only way you can get a surfer to your site is to trick him.

2. Assorted pictures from different sets instead of series.

3. Shitty screen caps for big pics. OMFG. Yeah a surfer is going to signup after seeing that great quality sample of your sites content.

4. Movie clips with more text on them than content.

Maybe in your haste to get out as many FHG's as you can you forgot to make decent FHG's?

Amen. Too bad webmasters keep demanding more and more of them. Sometimes less is more.

:thumbsup I wish there were better quality screen caps or thumbs

e-Porn is dying

:upsidedow

what do you sepect . I get some of the galleries from sponsors, and they are all dupes with different photo names.

i agree. the're are decent programs like perfect gonzo for one that make good ones. clear thumbs. we need more like that :)

Very true if they were revshare I would promote them in a second.

The one's I love are the movie galleries with thumbs that are 88x88 with a "MOVIE" watermark half the size of the thumbnail.

I have often asked for a decent thumb to go with a FHG that has movies because pulling one from the low quality free movie clips often sucks. 1 company has done it for me. Even if you would just let me know where the FHG that has pics and corresponds to the movie FHG I want is I'd do the work myself. I pull FHGs for my TGP and about 50% of the movie ones I ditch as I cant get a thumb I'd display on my TGP.

Try this one out:

http://www.naughtyallie.com/gallerie...dex.php?XXXXXX

Plenty more at NaughtyBank

you're awful demanding for someone that gets material for FREE.

How about YOU make a few. Let ME critique them.

NaughtyBank has revshare. Converting and Retaining like a mofo!

I have over 50,000 galleries, probably close to 75k. Too many to count. I don't use FHGs myself. Guys buy traffic to them from me. A critique from you on my galleries would be useless. I know what works for me.

Well if you have 75k galleries then stop being so picky and whiney about it all and let people do what they need to do to make some sales.

And if they're buying traffic from you to send to them, then what do you care what they look like. They paid for it, it's their baby from there.

You just can't please everyone these days.

My galleries used to get rejected because "They were to commercial"
or the videos were under 1meg. It isn't my problem that we know how to compress a video and still keep the quality.

Now, mass produce them, submit and whatever sticks to the walls sticks.

I used to live and die by TGP traffic....now, well that is a story I will keep to myself....lol

no kidding!!

Whiney about it? I don't give a shit if sponsors want to kick out crap galleries one after another. I just will not sell traffic to them. I am simply making a post saying that I have noticed a trend of FHG's getting worse and worse.

i took some time and made good 88x88 & 90x120 thumbs for all our galleries

i also have a large master thumb for all of the movie galleries located here: http://bvcash.com/comus_images/ for webmasters that wish to make their own.

cheers,
BV

won't sell traffic when someone is buying? LOL

sorry pal, that's YOUR loss. Not theirs.

(side note: we do not buy traffic from choker, nor do we "try")
this dialog is completely of my own accord.

Seems pretty stupid to me to decline a purchase because you "think" someone's FHG is garbage. Money is money.

You obviously do not know anything about tgps then. By your logic I should sell traffic to any site as long as they pay. Consoles, trojans, whatever they want I should sell it to them. How many TGP's do you run? thought so

I don't run TGPs..... I never liked relying on other people to provide my material.

But I DO know that money is money and sales are sales. Perhaps if you didn't try to judge things you shouldn't be judging and drop the ridiculous rules you inflict on yourself, you'd make more money at the end of the day.

So now let's hear all about how it is "keeping the quality and integrity of the the traffic and the surfer and blah blah blah......"

it's a TGP for fucks sake. Cheap broke ass kids looking for a free lunch.

You got no place judging the level of quality of anything. Long as you get your FREE material, you should be happy someone is still giving it to you. Because without them, you got no income.

Did anyone point out yet that although thumb-preview M/TGPs are now the most popular, probably 3/4 of movie FHGs are impossible to thumb without viewing the clips? Come to that, redirections and anti-hotlinking make many of the galleries unthumbable except by visiting them one at a time and doing it manually. The same things make it impossible to use link checking software effectively, with the result that since so many galleries are deleted each month, M/TGPs nowadays probably have more broken links and redirections than when they suffered cheating submitters...

well make your own galleries. they are free ya know...stop complaining lol

Yep I noticed that, also the fact that so many sponsors delete or move galleries around so links go 404.

I agree. I think we will see a new trend of non FHG's making a comeback

This all stems from the fact that people are LAZY.

The FHG because affiliates are too damn lazy (or uneducated) to make their own.... and the entire TGP model because, "Let's just collect what everyone else makes, throw it all on a site, give it all away for free, and make easy money from sponsor ref links."

An entire system, built on laziness.

and then let's complain about it.

LOL

Sponsors - See sig.
You're only losing $ and quality traffic you're on board with us.

WOW. You sound very bitter.

LOL

Not bitter at all...... just bugs the shit outta me when you TGP guys start crying about the quality of the FREE SHIT you're getting to operate your business.


Try paying for something. You'll see where I'm coming from.

i have to go thru so many just to find a decent one to submit to choker's, they are horrible now adays.

God forbid a sponsor actually takes a stand and sais they won't have FHG's...they will be hanged and torched.

Try paying for something? I have spent well over 100k on content. I know where you are coming from. I am not complaining about the sponsors making shitty galleries so much as I am about webmasters who use these and expect good results. I can't even count the number of times guys submit "teen" FHG with models that look 35. Then get pissed at me for not listing it as teen. They think because the sponsor said it is teen it has to be. LOL.

I agree with you man, there is no argument to be found here. I think guys need to start back making their own galleries and get away from this FHG crap, or at least use quality FHGs.

Bullshit...

Not because there is more to running a successful M/TGP than simply loading a database with galleries, nor because it takes a lot more time than you apparently imagine to use FHG's productively. Both those are true, but the main thing is what poor FHG's say about the sponsors who produce them.

FHG's are a solid marketing tool. Instead of relying on individual webmasters to make and submit galleries that sell their sites, sponsors have something which appeals directly to the M/TGP owners (because they and not submitters earn from them). Most sponsors already have plenty of content. Gallery designs and bandwidth are cheap. Building the galleries can be time consuming (if the thumbs are made right), but needs only cheap labor.

I doubt if some of the rubbish out there came in much cheaper than the good galleries, so what does it say about the professionalism of a sponsor who puts out any old crap just so he can be on the FHG bandwagon? Do you imagine that FHG's are the only part of their business they handle so sloppily?

I will add that what some here describe as laziness could equally be described as business sense.

FHG's are an available tool that in theory at least can make me more money and can make my life easier. Why shouldn't I want them to realize those potentials?

CHOKER'S DA MAN !!!!!! http://easy.go.is/hubs/octo/okto_king_groovy.gif

I agree with this 100% :thumbsup

What do you think of these? We'll be launching pretty soon.

http://galleries.projectrevenue.com/...nas1/index.php

http://galleries.projectrevenue.com/..._ms5/index.php

http://galleries.projectrevenue.com/...ers3/index.php

MOVIES
http://galleries.projectrevenue.com/...mast/index.php

http://galleries.projectrevenue.com/...ower/index.php

I just wish tgp'rs would relax their anuses about flash on tgp galleries.
If I as a sponsor put flash on a FHG im not going to be fucking with crazy code exploits.. i want your traffic, i want the surfer to click on them. I understand not letting some russian kid using a submitter.. but a sponsor?
If it's good enough for cnn and a bajillion other meainstream sites....

Why do we provide FHG's in the first place? Because affiliates are lazy. We give them FHGs, we give them content, we give them hosting, we provide them with every damn thing they need today, except the actual traffic. Is that next? At this stage, why don't we just send the affiliate a nice reasonable check once a week for doing NOTHING and cut our losses. It'd certainly be cheaper.

Give me a fucking break.

If we DON'T provide all that and then some, the ungrateful bastard will spit on you AND your mother and go to the next guy that will hand it to him on a silver platter.

Good business sense? My ass.

It's fucking lazy. Wanting a free fucking ride. Plain and simple.

Sounds like you are the one whining like a baby now. Who is this "we"?? If you don't like the way it is just don't provide FHG's. Pretty simple if you think about it. Why provide all this shit then bitch about it? LOL

Sponsors have been caught adding trojans and exploits and redirects to hosted galleries....TGP owners have to watch them too.

Its sad but that's the way it is.

:2 cents:

I always liked your galleries. Nice content, simple, to the point. Very effective.

Thanks.

I've been making a living off of TGP traffic for quite some time now, so god help me if I can't make hosted galleries that do the job.

No.... this is your thread man.....

the issue is, why provide all this shit and then have to watch YOU bitch about it.

Christ..... what more do you want?



you still don't get it do you.

sexy... but are you really gonna write this off to something cute?
TGPs are, by nature, getting a free ride. They are one step above the lowest llevel in this biz, which is the submitter. How is it possible to have everything given to you, and then complain about it. (goes for submitters as well as the tgp)

Am I missing a key ingredient here?

Of course there are some fucking retards out there, but you'd think if you were respected in your niche there would be no problem.. why would you risk getting blacklisted by the tgp?.. I dunno.. I'd love to bust out with some cool ass flash galleries... or even just 468x60 flash banners. At least they'd stand out and make a few sales.

I just hate seeing us so far behind mainstream when it comes to advertising technology.

You could probably do that with paid listings.

I don't think TGP's are getting a free ride. They have their own traffic, which is a valuable commodity.

SEO guys are one google update from watching their numbers go to shit.....that traffic belongs to the search engine not the people who can manipulate the search engine.

TGP's (I'm talking about the good ones, not the pseudo CJ's) have THEIR OWN traffic....just like google and yahoo do.
In 1998 perhaps they were the lowest level on the food chain, when you could make tons of $$ and never give away a single piece of content.
But this is 2004 and they've pretty much taken over.....you seem to be stuck in the past.
Things change, change with them or get left behind.

:2 cents:

edited to add my favorite cliche.

Content may be king, but traffic rules. He who has the traffic makes the rules.