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  • Trax
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    • Aug 2001
    • 14486
    #1

    I wasted more than 100k unique SE visitors.

    This is a little tip for GFY:

    I have a project that was semi-important to me, was supposed to be a huge freesite with tons of content pages and hundreds of pictures. Something a lot more important then came up on my to-do list and I had him stop on the project.
    Up to that point my guy had finished ~25% of the total content sites..

    I was just going through the stats of some of those older projects and noticed a huge increase in traffic on that specific site coming 100% from SEs.

    this month alone it had 25k hits from yahoo images, 4k from altavista images, 3k from alltheweb and 2.5k normal yahoo search traffic.

    now what is special you may ask.. those aren't pretty impressive numbers...
    well - I would agree in general but
    the whole site has not a single incoming link
    I never linked to it and neither google and yahoo show 1 single backlink on ANY of the content pages, let alone the main domain, the site shouldn't even come up on the eninges.

    Now how did this happen than?
    Both, me and my guy (the only ones surfing on the website in the beginning to check the progress of the work) had the yahoo toolbar installed on our machines. I assume we did a lot of clicking on the pages

    use that knowledge
    my free tip of the month
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    • Trax
      [----------------------]
      • Aug 2001
      • 14486
      #2
      oh... before i forget it...
      you may ask why the traffic was wasted
      So the site was unfinished and I didn't bother to put up any sponsor links on the redirect pages which means all the happily clicking surfers were always sent back to the index instead of going to the paysite lol

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        • seeric
          ..........
          • Aug 2004
          • 41917
          #3
          installing yahoo toolbar while working on my new seo pages.

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            • WiredGuy
              Pounding Googlebot
              • Aug 2002
              • 34512
              #4
              Interesting... are you absolutely sure there isn't a link anywhere on the web to those pages? Maybe a public server log or a referral url from someone else's logs?
              WG
              I play with Google.

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                • Trax
                  [----------------------]
                  • Aug 2001
                  • 14486
                  #5
                  Originally posted by WiredGuy
                  Interesting... are you absolutely sure there isn't a link anywhere on the web to those pages? Maybe a public server log or a referral url from someone else's logs?
                  WG
                  there probably will be links by now but this is not important right now.
                  it started from 0
                  brand new domain (one that did not recieve any typein traffic in the first two months) and only 2 active surfers
                  me and him

                  this site should never had grown
                  you know where I am going ;)

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                    • Trax
                      [----------------------]
                      • Aug 2001
                      • 14486
                      #6
                      oh and... we started putting the site on the server at the mid of the month... around the 15th, 16 or even 18th
                      I just checked the webalizer stats for that month again:

                      user agent #1 with 48%:
                      Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
                      user agent #2 with 22%:
                      Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp; http://help.yahoo.com/
                      ;)

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                        • datatank
                          Confirmed User
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 5471
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Trax

                          this site should never had grown
                          you know where I am going ;)
                          Does what you are talking about start with a letter in wiredguys nick but not in mine? If so please shhh ;)

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                            • DarkJedi
                              No Refunds Issued.
                              • Feb 2001
                              • 28301
                              #8
                              URL ?

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                                • Fukeneh
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Mar 2004
                                  • 1245
                                  #9
                                  interesting thread.

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                                    • Trax
                                      [----------------------]
                                      • Aug 2001
                                      • 14486
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                      URL ?
                                      hehe
                                      I will let you know the url when the site is finished and you can't outrank me by making an even better site ;)

                                      its celeb traffic btw which is why the volume is rather high

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                                        • Trax
                                          [----------------------]
                                          • Aug 2001
                                          • 14486
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by datatank
                                          Does what you are talking about start with a letter in wiredguys nick but not in mine? If so please shhh ;)
                                          to be honest I have no idea what you mean lol
                                          send me a mail with the word you have in mind

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                                            • xiando
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jan 2005
                                              • 322
                                              #12
                                              This is subject to debate, but I view most toolbars hahahaha spyware. Try for yourself, create a new subdomain off one of your domains, browse it with various toolbars installed and VOLLA! You will notice various search engines magically checking out your new subdomain. It is also subject to debate if this is a good or bad thing...
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                                                • DarkJedi
                                                  No Refunds Issued.
                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                  • 28301
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Trax
                                                  hehe
                                                  I will let you know the url when the site is finished and you can't outrank me by making an even better site ;)

                                                  its celeb traffic btw which is why the volume is rather high
                                                  how can i outrank you with better site if i don't even have one, and yours is already there

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                                                    • Trax
                                                      [----------------------]
                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                      • 14486
                                                      #14
                                                      true....
                                                      well
                                                      we all know how heavily googles algo is also based on its toolbar
                                                      The site of mine however has NOT yet recieved a single hit from google yet even though their toolbar was installed on both machines, too. this tells us that google uses the toolbar to re-rank sites that are already in their db, they don't use it to index new pages though which is a good thing considering I could have posted very sensitive information on that website

                                                      A query for domain.com on google returns:
                                                      Sorry, no information is available for the URL domain.com

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                                                        • Trax
                                                          [----------------------]
                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                          • 14486
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                          how can i outrank you with better site if i don't even have one, and yours is already there
                                                          hehe
                                                          3 numbers come to my mind
                                                          181
                                                          outranking me would take less than a week with that pr

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                                                            • Trax
                                                              [----------------------]
                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                              • 14486
                                                              #16
                                                              nuff for today
                                                              i'm off right now
                                                              bump it or let it die
                                                              i don't care

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                                                                • WiredGuy
                                                                  Pounding Googlebot
                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                  • 34512
                                                                  #17
                                                                  this month alone it had 25k hits from yahoo images, 4k from altavista images, 3k from alltheweb and 2.5k normal yahoo search traffic.
                                                                  Notice these are all Yahoo! properties
                                                                  WG
                                                                  I play with Google.

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                                                                    • swami
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                      • 1989
                                                                      #18
                                                                      It was often thought that google tracks by its toolbar but there are many
                                                                      Last edited by swami; 04-20-2005, 04:31 PM.

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                                                                        • swami
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                          • 1989
                                                                          #19
                                                                          It was often thought that google tracks by its toolbar but there are many other ways of finding sites without links.Whois is one.registrars listing the sites registered for the day is another.But I guess that the fact its getting traffic suggests that yahoo may be measuring hits a bit like alexa but it could also be Trax's domain name thats helping him rank.Yahoo loves kws in domain.I have a spammy www.best-web-hosting.info Bugger all links and yet ranked no#11 for major kws like web hosting and webhosting and best hosting.So just having kw in domain helps a site rank. I also have www.triple.net.Only one link to it and it became no#1 for a real estate term "triple net lease" its now about #6 even though it now has more links.

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                                                                            • zentz
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                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                              • 8062
                                                                              #20
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                                                                                • Nicky
                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                  • 30071
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Interesting

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                                                                                    • Rorschach
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                      • 5579
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      I used to find that voting for myself with the smilies on the google toolbar used to bring the (old) freshbot around pretty damn quick, sometimes in a matter of minutes/ hours... haven't tried it lately though.

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                                                                                        • Trax
                                                                                          [----------------------]
                                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                                          • 14486
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Rorschach
                                                                                          I used to find that voting for myself with the smilies on the google toolbar used to bring the (old) freshbot around pretty damn quick, sometimes in a matter of minutes/ hours... haven't tried it lately though.
                                                                                          it did??
                                                                                          I read that google said those buttons are dead and would possibly used in an upcoming toolbar version
                                                                                          as far as I know you wasted time clicking those buttons.

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                                                                                            • pradaboy
                                                                                              sell me your banners
                                                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                                                              • 12931
                                                                                              #24
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                                                                                                • xclusive
                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                  • Apr 2004
                                                                                                  • 35218
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Very interesting thread things that make you go Hmmm

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                                                                                                    • Trax
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                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                      • 14486
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by swami
                                                                                                      It was often thought that google tracks by its toolbar but there are many other ways of finding sites without links.Whois is one.registrars listing the sites registered for the day is another.But I guess that the fact its getting traffic suggests that yahoo may be measuring hits a bit like alexa but it could also be Trax's domain name thats helping him rank.Yahoo loves kws in domain.I have a spammy www.best-web-hosting.info Bugger all links and yet ranked no#11 for major kws like web hosting and webhosting and best hosting.So just having kw in domain helps a site rank. I also have www.triple.net.Only one link to it and it became no#1 for a real estate term "triple net lease" its now about #6 even though it now has more links.
                                                                                                      who's the guy on that pic on best-wh?


                                                                                                      but seriously... i know what you're saying yeah... but slurp visited the site way too early to be not refered by the toolbar...
                                                                                                      and it makes sense if you ask me ;)

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                                                                                                        • cafeaulait
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Jun 2002
                                                                                                          • 587
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          whois

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                                                                                                            • Trax
                                                                                                              [----------------------]
                                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                                              • 14486
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              whois alone doesn't bring such results... at least not from what I've experienced so far. if that was the case all my older projects would rank like that but this is not the case... after I switched to firefox with obviously no google toolbar things changed

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                                                                                                                • Rorschach
                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                  • 5579
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Trax
                                                                                                                  it did??
                                                                                                                  I read that google said those buttons are dead and would possibly used in an upcoming toolbar version
                                                                                                                  as far as I know you wasted time clicking those buttons.
                                                                                                                  personally i would trust what i know i read in my server logs (this is two years ago) over what you read on a message board, no incoming links to a brand new domain and the only thing i did was click those buttons

                                                                                                                  pity, you missed out

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                                                                                                                    • Trax
                                                                                                                      [----------------------]
                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                      • 14486
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      i'm not stupid.. of course I tried clicking those obvious buttons as well
                                                                                                                      on brand new sites the effect was obvious: none

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                                                                                                                        • Rorschach
                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                          • 5579
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          well i'm not trying to argue with you... but you could see the packets going out in ethereal... and freshy routinely turned up... anyway...

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                                                                                                                            • beta-tester
                                                                                                                              Rock 'n Roll Baby!
                                                                                                                              • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                              • 22562
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              SEO thing was always interesting...
                                                                                                                              And that what I read here, is very very interesting Im just wondering , how can that happen? Brand new site, w/o inbound links and with 0 traffic ? Did you make at least some optimization there ? Keyword optimization, or better to say "on-page optimization" ?
                                                                                                                              If you did, then probably that's the reason why you're ranked good.

                                                                                                                              But again, that's weird. As we all know search engines like inbound links!! That's their main KEY to get you ranked pretty high. But as you said, you didn't have any inbound link, which is pretty strange to get listed good.

                                                                                                                              I'd agree that domain is very good for listing. The best would be if that domain contain some keyword you're aiming to otpimize for. I would like to know, what's your current position on google, and for what keyword ? (if you don't mind sharing that).

                                                                                                                              About toolbar thing, I am not 100% sure about that. Maybe it's true, but personally I've never tried that. Hmm, maybe that made you good listing ?? But I doubt. Also, what's the situation with the Google sandbox ?
                                                                                                                              Very interesting thread. I would like to hear more optinions from SEO gurus ? What do you say about this subject ?


                                                                                                                              Good read

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                                                                                                                                • Trax
                                                                                                                                  [----------------------]
                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 14486
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by beta-tester
                                                                                                                                  SEO thing was always interesting...
                                                                                                                                  And that what I read here, is very very interesting Im just wondering , how can that happen? Brand new site, w/o inbound links and with 0 traffic ? Did you make at least some optimization there ? Keyword optimization, or better to say "on-page optimization" ?
                                                                                                                                  If you did, then probably that's the reason why you're ranked good.

                                                                                                                                  But again, that's weird. As we all know search engines like inbound links!! That's their main KEY to get you ranked pretty high. But as you said, you didn't have any inbound link, which is pretty strange to get listed good.

                                                                                                                                  I'd agree that domain is very good for listing. The best would be if that domain contain some keyword you're aiming to otpimize for. I would like to know, what's your current position on google, and for what keyword ? (if you don't mind sharing that).

                                                                                                                                  About toolbar thing, I am not 100% sure about that. Maybe it's true, but personally I've never tried that. Hmm, maybe that made you good listing ?? But I doubt. Also, what's the situation with the Google sandbox ?
                                                                                                                                  Very interesting thread. I would like to hear more optinions from SEO gurus ? What do you say about this subject ?


                                                                                                                                  Good read
                                                                                                                                  you make my initial post sound like a question hehe
                                                                                                                                  this was more like a statement... nothing I wanted to argue about... take it as a fact

                                                                                                                                  as far as your google question goes... read the thread before asking questions

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                                                                                                                                    • beta-tester
                                                                                                                                      Rock 'n Roll Baby!
                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 22562
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      I did read the thread I just wanted to know something about your site. You'll agree, it's very weird thing to get such a traffic for relative new site, right ?
                                                                                                                                      My questions were pointed just on topic How did you make that ? There must be some trick, am I right ?

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                                                                                                                                        • Froey Twe
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 1297
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Thanks for the info Trax

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                                                                                                                                            • Trax
                                                                                                                                              [----------------------]
                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 14486
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by beta-tester
                                                                                                                                              I did read the thread I just wanted to know something about your site. You'll agree, it's very weird thing to get such a traffic for relative new site, right ?
                                                                                                                                              My questions were pointed just on topic How did you make that ? There must be some trick, am I right ?
                                                                                                                                              no you did not read the thread
                                                                                                                                              I posted what caused those ranks - i don't need to meantion that the sites were highly seod of course
                                                                                                                                              I also said that google did not touch it yet

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                                                                                                                                                • beta-tester
                                                                                                                                                  Rock 'n Roll Baby!
                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                  • 22562
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Yes, I thought so. I did read the thread...And I saw you got the most traffic from yahoo and msn, but as far as I know alogs are are very similar... But yes, that's probably why didn't google still touch it....
                                                                                                                                                  Google likes inbound links a lot, and that's the main reason.

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                                                                                                                                                    • Trax
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                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                      • 14486
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      you did not read it hehe
                                                                                                                                                      a) I never said I recieved traffic from MSN
                                                                                                                                                      b) no. yahoo and msn algos are not "very similair" - this is bullshit
                                                                                                                                                      i don't want to sound like an ass but you obviously have no real clue about SE's so please don't post comments or assumptions about this topic

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                                                                                                                                                        • Basic_man
                                                                                                                                                          Programming King Pin
                                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 27360
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          VERY VERY VERY interresting thread ! :D
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                                                                                                                                                            • hershie
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                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 4642
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Thanks for that info. I appreciate that tip.
                                                                                                                                                              I never considered that.

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                                                                                                                                                                • ClamSmacker
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                                  • 677
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Hi Trax

                                                                                                                                                                  Is this site hosted on a shared hosting box?

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Trax
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                                      • 14486
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      yes it is
                                                                                                                                                                      there is no need for a dedicated box with a unique ip on brandnew sites

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                                                                                                                                                                        • nmcog
                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                                          • 825
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          beta-tester this isn't a contest thread

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Manowar
                                                                                                                                                                              jellyfish  
                                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                                              • 71528
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              someone feel free to browse www.businessvoyeur.com with the yahoo and google toolbars installed, you might find some articles you like there too ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                • ClamSmacker
                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 677
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  In Feb '05 I checked the stats for a mainstream site I have and noticed a big jump in traffic, after looking at the stats I noticed they were coming from Google and the search terms "belinda" and "belinda carlise". My site was ranked 1 for these terms yet I had nothing at all with those words on my site (I double checked and triple checked).
                                                                                                                                                                                  So I get chatting to my host and asked if he hosted any belinda related sites on any of his boxes, and yes he did and it so happened it was on the same box my site was on (shared hosting). This ranking in google lasted about a week then dropped out. We both could not explain what happened in this situation. What I do know is that my sites with this host do very well on search engine results with very few backlinks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • WiredGuy
                                                                                                                                                                                      Pounding Googlebot
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 34512
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm not convinced the toolbar was how they found your site still. I setup a packet sniffer and surfed the web with both toolbars on and it was only google that made a request back to its servers to fetch the PR's for the toolbar. Not a single request was detected being sent to Yahoo.
                                                                                                                                                                                      WG
                                                                                                                                                                                      I play with Google.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • cafeaulait
                                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 587
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          its not toolbar, its whois, pure and simple, both Google and Yahoo use whois, Google penalises new sites (or was) and Yahoo indexes them (or did) both are registrars and have full access to whois

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • uno
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 18450
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Trax
                                                                                                                                                                                              it did??
                                                                                                                                                                                              I read that google said those buttons are dead and would possibly used in an upcoming toolbar version
                                                                                                                                                                                              as far as I know you wasted time clicking those buttons.
                                                                                                                                                                                              I've always clicked them for shits and giggles but thought of them as either vestigial or playskool type buttons.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • alexg
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 11287
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  wow... that's amazing if you're absolutely sure there were no incoming links

                                                                                                                                                                                                  thanks for sharing this with us

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • alexg
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 11287
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by ClamSmacker
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi Trax

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Is this site hosted on a shared hosting box?
                                                                                                                                                                                                      hmmmmm

                                                                                                                                                                                                      are you suggesting that being on a shared box can actually be beneficial for you in terms of se traffic?

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