Since a lot of you think I'm a prick anyway.....
 

...I just can't seem to find any reason for me to cut sonofsam any more slack than what I have already done for him.


Yesterday sonofsam started a thread which basically demanded a license and 2257 documents for a content package that he has yet to finish paying for but that I was kind enough to ship to him in advance so that he could get started on his site design for his project. On top of this, he failed to acknowledge the fact that this was a BULK deal and the contents of the package were explained to him prior to the sale.

Another client who bought the identical package just before sonofsam even posted that I clearly defined the contents of this package to him prior to the sale.

Now, he has infringed on my copyright which of course would violate any license. When you violate a license agreement, that agreement can be terminated by the person who owns that copyrighted material.

What this all boils down to is that if he had paid me in full, he would have received what he wanted without any hassle or drama. Instead, he chose to come to GFY and try to make an example out of me.

I am the 3rd well known company/person that he has had major drama with in the last month. There seems to be a pattern here.

So...Here I sit at a crossroads where I have to decide how much of a prick I really want to be to this kid. Here are the options that I am considering:

1: Allow him to make final payment then send him the license and 2257 and call it good.

2: Demand final payment but not give him anything simply because he has infringed on my copyright and thereby violated my license agreement which is cause to terminate that agreement.

3: Sue him for the infringement...And no matter what some of you think...He has admitted to the infringement and we all saw it so that liability does exist.

4: Sue him for the libel things he posted about me. (yes, I know this is GFY but if you are going to play hardball with me, you should make sure you are prepared to play the entire game to the end.)

5: Options 2,3, & 4.

sonofsam doesn't seem to see any fault in what he did yesterday so it's kinda hard for me to find any reason whatsoever to cut him any slack.

Besides...After what he did yesterday, it's not like anything I do will make me look like less of an asshole....Soooooo........? At this point...I'm pretty much leaning towards option 5 more or less because even today, his attitude has not changed a bit.

I owe him nothing until he finishes his payments....And legally speaking....I don't owe him anything after that now that he has taken the actions that he has chosen to take.

Can anybody tell me why I should allow somebody to piss in my face after I have helped them out....And then continue to help them afterwards?

Decisions, decisions, decisions. :glugglug

Well I love ya and think he should give you the $$.


:upsidedow

nah man your posts are INTERESTING!!!!!
Always fun to read...

thisone i dont have time to read but others have been interesting

@ least you have a brain, members with brains on this board are a +

Go get 'em

72hours to comply with option number 1. with a public apoligy.

start the clock and call J.D. in 3days and opt for option number 5.

aint no personal thing, just business.

Sorry, but I want everybody to be happy... I choose #1....

Tell him he will recieve the docs upon payment, as originally agreed. I don't understand why anyone brings this shit to the boards.

"nice enough to send him the content before final payment"

.... thats funny since the agreement was final payment after site was established and making sales...

Take the money, give him his license and 2257 and let it go. Put the money in your pocket instead of your attorney's.

Consider it a lesson learned.

:2 cents:

P.S. You're not THAT big of a prick.

I'd pick door number 5, Aaron. You've been more than fair.

He's screwed up many times... no doubt. But none of it, at least it seems to me, has ever been with the intention of screwing over anyone, or taking advantage of anyone. It's always just been very poor judgement on his part.

That doesn't mean he should or shouldn't be given any favors... I guess you just have to evaluate for yourself.... someone who is naive and unaware of proper procedures... do you
a) give them extra breaks, a few do-overs... chances to redeem themselves in the hopes that they will learn.
b) give up hope that they will ever learn... let them go on their way on their own to grow and gain experience... and forget about him.
c) teach him more of a lesson... he's been given breaks already, so give him a hard core lesson that he just can't keep getting away with this stuff.

If it was a clear case of him just being harmful for the sake of being a prick, then the choice would be obvious. In this case, I'm just not sure.

Go get him Aaron!

not to stir shit with you or nothing but...

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't he actually need to have a liscence agreement to violate a liscence agreement? You can't terminate a liscence nobody has right? Or is there some loophole in the law that states future liscence agreements can be violated.

Man, just let him pay you off and give him the docs he needs. Whether he said shit about you or not, be a bigger man and follow through on giving him the liscence to use the content once paid. You temped him to post those pictures...

This is a LOT of money for a lot of people to be paying for nothing.

the only reason i infringed on your copywrite was because we kept argueing about if it was girl next door content or not, and when i asked if i could post samples... you provoked me... and now are launching lawsuits... okay aaron....

im all about ass fuckings. so id have to go with option #5.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Aaron... I didn't know you were a Bank too. Can I buy some content from you, I'll pay you IF I can make money off it. :winkwink:

get the money

send him his shit

call it another day in the wonderfull world of porn

For the record...This is not an issue that I am dealing with J.D. about. I have a local Intellectual Property attorney that I use for things of this nature.

Aaron, the Mob's got your back :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I'm about to fly out west and smack you boy :)

LET IT GO! :) Stop letting it get to you. I told you already what you had to do to let this all smooth over.

While I agree with you on some major parts you are however pushing yourself to option 5 :(

I'd pick #1. Once he has sent full payment (of the initial agreed upon price, not discounted slightly, like you were thinking the other day), send him the shit he needs. He can't do anything with it until he gets it anyway.

And keep an eye on him to make sure he doesn't do anything with it until you have received payment in full. If he does try to use it before sending payment then follow up with options 3 & 4.

In my opinion, if you get "sue happy" it will scare away a lot of potential customers. Just speaking as a neutral 3rd party.

hmmmn.

i'd say get the money, give him the 2257 and get him out of your hair for good. i've been some similar situations over the years and its always better, less effort, and takes up less space in your mind to get whats yours and get rid of whoever it is for good.

as far as the infringement, i haven't seen the whole other thread, so because you aren't really someone who makes shit up, i believe you on it. i'd tell em they have a very short period of time to correct the infringement to make it all good, (unless there was money made with the infringement, then you are entitled to whatever % would be yours), and call it a day. we all have too much stuff to do, unless this person caused you so much anger and sleepless nights over the situation and it would make you feel that much better by going with option 5, i'd smash it and get it overwith. now if this person doesnt want to make right option 1, then he has issues and would probably get option 5 from me too.

Aaron, if you were to take him to court, what would you get out of it? He has no money. :)

i would say go with option number one. the time and $ you spend in court could easily make you way more $ if you spend it shooting content. i'm sure he has done enough damage on his reputation as it is.

If I don't have a drivers license and I get pulled over while driving a car, they can keep me from getting my license. Of course I can deny him a license at this point.

As for the money issue....Perhaps he should have though about that prior to sitting down at the poker table and trying to bluff at a game where I hold a straight flush and he doesn't have so much as a pair of deuces.

These are the things that people should consider before they put their entire financial future on the line.

Aaron, Sam How's about this.

Aaron: What if Sam appologized publicly for any inconvenience he may have caused you and agreed to send you the rest of the money and nothing more was said about it from that point forward from either of you? Not a single comment, no comebacks, no jabs in the present nor the future. If he could agree to that would you let him make his final payment, give him the docs he needs and drop options 2 to 5 in the toilet?

Would you be willing to agree to that?

Sam: Would you agree to that and STICK to it?

Get the fuck out of my thread before you say something else that will cost you. At this point my mind is not made up and you are not exactly helping your case.

STFU and learn something for a change..

i'm being made to look like a scammer..

i STUCK to my original agreement 100% aaron... and you're trying to make it seem like i scammed you

Good advice. :thumbsup

Very good point.. and the best way out of this situation :thumbsup

There is a difference between IF and WHEN

You have a good head on your shoulders. Thank you for your input.

for the people just voicing their opinions just based on aarons first post...

fucking-around-and-business-discussion/457282-paging-aaronm.html

thats what this is all about...

Satisfaction.

That's it.

Oh...and a judgement for his soul.

Aaron

on second thought scratch my post

fuck this kid sonofsam hard

he obviously is one of these assholes that doesnt get the message till the hammer comes down hard

you have a good rep in the industry and this wont tarnish you at all.

How does it feel to kick yourself in the ass? I've never tried it.

Ah...But what about the damage he has done to my reputation?

:ugone2far :ugone2far :ugone2far

I think it would be fair to say that other options would cost more money than the price sonofsam paid (or would end up paying). That's without accounting for the time it would take to file a suit.

That being said, I would suggest option 1.

I honestly don't know. Based on his responses on ICQ and in this thread today....No, I would not be willing to do that.

Then the guy went and started another thread today accusing GFY of deleting his posts. This caused people to imply that I had something to do with that. As it turns out, none of his threads were removed. This is just one more example of him jumping to conclusions and making false statements about others.

Where does it all stop?

Can I make a suggestion sonofsam? I would suggest some basic English lessons in the near future. With you coming into this thread to defend yourself and sounding like a 12 year old girl, it's hard to take you seriously.

I am no grammar and spelling king by any means, but at least effort is made on my part.

when you drop the fucking hammer down on his ass

Didn't you tell all of your lies yesterday?

Just so you all know. I have plans with my family in about 10 minutes so I will be leaving soon. Just a fair warning so the haters around here can't say that I ran away from this thread. :thumbsup

Gee...Imagine that. Sucks, don't it. :321GFY

Perhaps if you hadn't fucked up so many times then you would not be getting exposed for who and what you really are.

For the record....You implied the word scammer. Not me. Guilty conscience perhaps? :glugglug

Ah come on now. You and I both know that something said on GFY doesn't really affect your rep. You said yourself that GFY'ers don't put money in your pocket.

If anything, this all has damaged his own reputation. However, he's still new and can rebound easily enough. Any shred of damage done to yours can easily be forgotten overnight, you know that. Money talks, and your products are 'money'. You know that.

Everyone makes mistakes Aaron. You both did one time or another. There's no need of this to go any further. When I was new I damaged my own reputation badly enough and made a fool out of myself. It was all my own fault, nobody brings that shit up anymore, nobody cares. They've seen that I have grown and proven myself to not be just some dumb idiot like 90% of GFY.

be a good soul, kiss and make up.

Man, you don't know when to stop, I was going to proffer option 1, then you had to step up and say something stupid.

It sounds to me like you won't even accept option 1, so not really sure why he should leave it on the table.

Guess that only leaves option 5.

This is exactly how I am seeing this issue at this point.

That would be me. We have a date with some friends at Old Chicago shortly.

Ok, but if everything was to cease, I mean everything, his negative ICQs as well as anything on GFY. From this minute forth. The guy is really frustrated and is grasping at straws. He's got very little straws left and is feeling desperate. If you can agree to this I'm sure he would too. If he however doesn't stick to it, then by all means, do what you got to do. He'd be digging his own grave (metaphoricaly).