Fucking convicted child molesters need to stay in jail.
 

Why the fuck do they let them out!?
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I am referring to pricks like this......

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...s/missing_girl

Because tax payers dont want to pay 40k per year per each one.

Death Row is too harsh (or so people think) and life is too expensive for tax payers.

Yeah, well the tax payers should think about the fact that it could be their child.

Let them out in the general population and they wouldn't last 5 minutes

that has nothing to do with it.
its activist judges who think people like this can be rehabilitated.

I am a taxpayer and I vote to castrate the pedofiles.

Activist judges?? Tom DeLay loves you.

People can be rehabiliated. Its different depending on the type of crime.

For instance if you rob banks and you get cought you can probably get out and live a legit life if you tried.

Same goes for child molesters. Although it is possible its rarer(sp?)

They should put all those types in a jail system that is basically is a factory, say something that we would have shipped the work out to oversees, but now we get free labor. Make them make bars of soap, or cup coasters the rest of their lives... behind bars!

I'm a taxpayer and I vote to deport all southern christians.

Thank god im not in that boat...... :1orglaugh

"I'm a taxpayer and I vote to deport all southern christians."

I'm not a southern christian but I have kids and I say pedos should be shot
right between the fucking eyes !

Kill the muther fuckers and say everyone the hassles of these fuckers from hurting any more.

Cut their nuts off before releasing them. That might help a little.

Before putting them to death, they need to find a better way to label the ones that are the real nasty bad guys to the ones that got convicted for bumping into some one or like the firefighter that was convicted for touching a victim that he was trying to carry down a ladder.

Thats not child molestation.

We are talking about weak people that prey on kids for sex. that makes me sick

should castrate the fuckers.

i'm all for chemical castration of convicted pedarists.

Kind of ironic posting a comment like this on a board where probably everyone promotes teen girl sites.

You don't think anything this industry does excites the pervs out there that take it beyond pics and videos to real world?

There's part of the problem right there... asshole judges who only sentence fuckhead rapists and registered child molesters to under ten years in prison. 5 1/2 years for raping someone? What a joke.

The problem with that is all to often people use the words 'child molestation' as revenge. Its something that at times is very hard to prove and some people are convicted based on juries emotions rather than facts. Women play the card quite often in divorce cases during custody battles. I'm all for putting some sick fuck 6 feet under that does that shit but on the other side of the coin all it takes is someone pointing a finger and saying child molestor and it becomes a witch hunt.

Plenty of sexualized content on TV too, and in movies. Why is it that you or I can watch it and look at porn and not feel the need to go out and rape someone? I don't blame the medium, I blame the criminal.

I think if a guy is going to commit rape he's going to commit rape, regardless of how much porn is available to him. If everyone took down their teen content it wouldn't make one whit of difference.

Remember, there was no "internet" 15 years ago, but there was rape, child molestations and murder.

Totally valid point.

But in cases where it can be forensically proven, I say throw the book at em, and in states where it's done.... let them fry.

Until you find a rational solution to the problem other than castration, death etc the problem is only going to grow.

I was reading an article the other day that the surge in CP due to the net is astronomical.

There used to be a time where it was trade in dark corners, bought behind counters in adult bookstores like Times Square. Hardly anyone had ever seen it, but now an ever growing number comes across it. Kids themselves are producing it.

Anyway my point is this. If someone has an issue and they want help where do they go?

Where can they go to find that help without notifying anyone and everyone involved that they are part of a group of people that everyone wants to see offed.

Then when they actually do offend they get sent to prison and what do you guys hope for?

You hope bubba rapes them, beats them possibly murders them.

Now let's say 2 out of 3 occur, only rape and beatings. These guys and a number of them do survive their time in prison.

Now you have a monster let loose onto your streets. The guy goes in just for maybe fondling someone, maybe for more but now there is 1,000 x's more hate and a reason that if he does offend again to make sure the victim can't tell anyone...so he kills them.

I once saw a statistic regarding prisoners and the fact is they usually become sexual predators. They go in for robbery, but prison makes them a sexual predator and the chances go up to where it's almost 100% if they have served more than 2 terms.

The logic behind this is they have either been raped or raped in prison so when they get out it becomes a part of them.

Or if the offender gets out of jail you want him labled so you can go by and throw rocks at his house add some more beatings outisde of the pen.

You limit their job opportunities because he can't be around kids. And chances are this guy is not gonna work again just because of his offense.. So what happens?

He succumbs to the pressure and becomes what you expect him to become. He goes out and offends again.

So quit thinking in terms of vengance and think in terms of getting this problem solved or it's only going to get worse.

This is true. My comment was that its ironic when people are making money here peddling images and videos of provocative young teen girls.

While reading all that I can't help thinking, it's a CHOICE these people make to sex offend in the first place. It's not some chemical imbalance forcing them to stalk and molest and rape kids, it's a choice, a concious decision. Before they make that decision there certainly are places where they can seek therapy and other help for the "little voices in their head" and the strange deviant sexual urges they are having. Most of them don't seek that help and instead end up attempting to satisfy their own sick little selfish urges. Why?

And it is natural for people to want to nail ass to the wall when this subject comes up. One of the first thoughts people have is "What if it where MY kid he fucked with?"

It's all nice and admirable to want to treat this like a disease, an ailment, an illness, but that's a tough sell to most people, especially those with young kids. One of the most prevelant answers you're going to get is "What if we spend thousands of dollars on therapy to treat their so-called 'illness' and the guy ends up raping and killing someones kid anyway?"..... as in, an ounce of prevention.

Those of us who peddle images of teen girls do not condone pedophilia. Like stated above, this happened before the internet, before adult films and magazines.

I completely agree, and for that matter a lot of what you said could apply to anyone convicted of any type of felony. They are at a disadvantage the rest of their life. Throw someone back into society with little chance of getting any type of decent job and you have a recipe for re-offending.

I had the movie "Thirteen" in my head when I posted that. I can think of several other movies where teens, especially teen girls, are portrayed in a sexualized way though. I'm just not comforable laying the blame at the feet of the internet, and that's where I felt you were going with what you posted KRL.

You say it's choice as if you are 100% certain that there are no other issues involved.
I won't debate it with you because I'm not a clicnical psychiatrist and you shouldn't attempt to debate it because neither are you.
But I would like to just say the brain is a complicated machine. I have anxiety disorders that make me afraid of some of the silliest things. People compulsively steal, collect things the list goes on. Is it a choice for the kleptomaniac to steal? Yes in the end it is and he has to be held responsible. But there is an underlying compulsion that drives him/her to not consider the consequences or consider them but yet still steal.

I understand the anger behind it, but there's a lot of anger that drives many people to do stupid things instead of finding the rational answer or solution.
My point is you can address the problems and try to fix them now or keep churning out vicious people with the system we now have in place.
You should definitely check out the documentary on the BBC that someone posted a link to here about torture in American prisons.
All our facilities do now whether they are a sex offender or a burgular is turn out smarter and more vicious criminals.

Somehow I'm still not convinced I should feel sorry for the poor poor mistreated criminals.

I'm just not feeling it.

Sorry.

In my opinion society needs to be tougher on them, not softer. Voting while in prison? Please. Inmates rights? Give me a break. You know what would be good? If an inmate had to work off his debt to the victim of his crime, and actually be put to work to generate real income that gets sent to the people or the family of those he hurt. If it takes him 25 years to pay it off, so be it.

Prisons should be set up to be somehow productive and generate positive cash flow.

Won't bring back the dead but I'm betting the burden on society would be far smaller, thus sentences for serious crimes could be much longer.

I think you're missing the point.
No one is saying be softer on them. What I am saying is make their prison time worthwhile.
It's punishment enough to stick a guy in a cell for up to 23 hours a day. A lot of people are seriously affected by that alone.
It shouldn't be a place where someone spends 7 years being victimized only to become a vicious animal and come right out and victimize themselves.
There's a great scene in American Me that kind of touches on this.
Olmos gets out of prison and on his first date he gets lucky and she wants to fuck him..so what happens? During the middle of their session he flips her around on her stomach and forces himself inside her ass while she screams in pain. A night of passion turns into rape only because in the end after so much time in prison it's all he knew.

It obviously is a choice, but I wonder how many of these people that do that shit think its a choice. Anyone that has those thoughts or desires is seriously fucked up and you have to wonder how they got that way in the first place, most likely it happened to them. Its not something I can relate to. I've often wondered what I would do if someone did some shit to my kid and I have concluded that I would definitely kill them.

What you're saying isn't wrong, but you are treading on dangerous ground because some would say you are very close to making excuses for these people. I mean really, if someone is having "urges" and weird brainwaves going on in his head and he fails to make the choice to seek help before offending, well what are we as a society supposed to do with him? Again, it goes back to if it were your kid he rapes and possibly kills, can you honestly say you are comfortable with a guy like that being treated as a patient instead of the sick twisted criminal that he is?

I'm not.

I'm always open to hearing possible solutions to any problem. But I'm betting that anything that smacks in the least of coddling sex offenders and fostering sympathy for their oh so sad situation isn't going to fly far with most people. Most people seem to want these sickos locked away where they have zero possibility of harming another child or raping a woman or whatever it is they're into.

I'll tell you what man.... I've known a few people in my time who flew too close to the flame and eventually got burned, as in sent to prison for X amount of time. One such guy was my nephew, and speaking from his experience I can tell you, instead of him feeding off of the other inmates and becoming worse, he CHOSE to learn a hard lesson during his time in there. He hasn't re-offended in over fifteen years, has worked several jobs long-term and has a wife and kids and a home. And Canadian jails are no picnic either.

I visited him several times in there, and one thought that has always occured to me since then is that if I ever ended up in a place like that I too would fucking learn my lesson. So what is it that stops others from learning theirs?

I don't think I've missed any point. I fully understand what you're trying to say, I'm just saying that some of what you're saying is a tough sell to much of society. That's all.

I know exactly what you're saying CD but it flies in the face of logic.
Those who only offend without killing will eventually get out. So let's see if we can fix it before they do.
And for those who don't seek help before they offend, not much you can do about that.
But I already addressed that to some degree. Who's gonna just show up at their doctor's office and say..."hey doc I need some help I have desires to do bad things to kids."
No one wants to hear it. No one wants to deal with it without it involving castration a rope and a tree.
We have a problem in America with preventitive medicine and this sorta kinda falls under the same umbrella. We'd rather not have the government pay for women on welfares pap smears like Colorad, instead wait for them to develop cervical cancer and pay for the expensive treatments then..which could cost them their lives.
Once again it's not about coddling. It's about not making monsters out of mole hills.

Take a look at recidivism #'s and I think you'll find your nephew is the exception and not the rule.

Okay, I disagree about what happens when someone confesses to their doctor. Again, speaking from experience I hope I don't know the doctor who would turn a deaf ear to such a patient. Here they would be treated, referred to the proper facility to deal with it, given psych consultations etc etc. In fact it happens quite often that patients are diagnosed and treated for such things, before they offend.

But I agree with you on this ---- that once they've offended and are in prison, there is nothing wrong with putting them through rigorous therapy instead of having them spend their time doing what other inmates do. It's something at least, but I would still like to see harsher penalties for some of these pedos and child rapists and abusive dads etc. Sure give them therapy up the ying-yang while in prison. But then the question begs, can the system financially support such an addition? That's a whole other ball of wax.

I can relate to what you're saying. I knew someone who got nailed for fucking a 15 year old, he was 31. He got 6 months but the dumbass didnt learn. As soon as he got out he was back at it with her, said he was in love with her. At first I gave him the benefit of the doubt because she didnt look 15 but when he didnt learn I realized he had more of a problem than I thought and had nothing to do with him anymore.

You know, I'm liking my previous idea better and better here. If prisons were set up like factories of some sort, and the inmates put to work, two things would happen:

1) part of their earned wage could be put towards staving off the cost to society on keeping them in there, and part of it could go towards paying the victims or the victims' family for thier suffering.

and 2) A sizeable group of bleeding heart liberals would start crying that it was slave labor.

There is no pleasing anyone I tell you. Should criminals be made to pay back the dammage they cause their victims? I'm thinking yes.

You're more patient than I would be in that situation. I'd have likely put the guy through a wall at the next sign of him bothering the girl, most especially if she was someone I knew.
EDIT: as long as she was an unwilling participant.

It's been a pleasure having this discussion with you guys, time to call it a night here I'm afraid. If it's still going maybe we'll pick it up tomorrow..... uh wait... it's already tomorrow. :D

I agree that prisoners should provide something back in return to society.
There are many things we could have them do that would free up funds for other things...like education, and health care.

Have you seen the reoffence figures? They're through the fucking roof. Also, keep in mind that reoffence figures only count those who have been caught. Pedos cannot be rehabilitated. Their urges can be somewhat diminished through chemical castration and therapy, but even with all that, they have the urge.

They should be locked up for life, or killed.

I'd have to believe that the Net will have an impact on sexual crimes in future trends if not already. I haven't checked the stats, but I can't see how all the immense of pornography won't have some kind of effect on society be it good or bad.

Latest statistic I found was there are over 400,000 registered sex offenders in the United States alone.

That's 1 out of every 750 US Citizens.

Yipes. :(

They should not be let out ... keep them locked up for life !

Agreed!.!

Uhh.. where in the story does it say that he is a child molester?

It says he was convicting of raping an adult acquaintance. A bit different from being a child molester.

And in the case of the girl this story is about, he choked her after an argument.

So where the hell does your "child molester" comment come in?

Learn to read first moron.

It is so easy to call any one and every one a child molester.

Even Polly Klasses father said ther should be a 2 strike rule. Just in case someon gets WRONGLY convicted. Putting child molesters forever is great and all, but God forbid you get wrongly accused. Maybe you go out with some bitch you break it off and she gets her kid to say you did something out of spite. You'd sure hate that "one strike and your're out" rule wouldn't you?

I've seen where some DA back in the 80's got a bunch of kids to lie and say all these adults molested them. Some people did 20 years before getting released. Some are still in jail.