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  • Evil Jawa
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    • Nov 2001
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    #1

    Prison rape is an urban legend, for the most part.

    The governmnet and media promote the black-on-white prison rape myth to keep white males in line.

    It's like the fear of an IRS audit keeps people from cheating too much on their taxes.

    There is very little rape in prison. Period.
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    #2
    and there is no steroids in baseball either.

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    • BVF
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      • Jan 2002
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      #3
      If I was locked up for LIFE with no chance of parole, I probably wouldn't hesitate to scoop me up a nice white young tender. So I'm sure that those HARDENED criminals who are really living in that situation aren't passing up any opportunities.

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      • shageman
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        #4
        its only rape the first 6months after that its love

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        • pornstar2pac
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          #5
          you may want to ask Brand0n on this. he's an expert on the subject
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          • Evil Jawa
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            • Nov 2001
            • 444

            #6
            Originally posted by BVF
            If I was locked up for LIFE with no chance of parole, I probably wouldn't hesitate to scoop me up a nice white young tender. So I'm sure that those HARDENED criminals who are really living in that situation aren't passing up any opportunities.
            Always knew you were a homo.

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            • SmokeyTheBear
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              • Jun 2004
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              #7
              http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/pris.../start1-hi.smi
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              • Evil Jawa
                So Fucking Banned
                • Nov 2001
                • 444

                #8
                Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                Media bullshit.

                If it is such an epidemic, why aren't there literally thousands of victim lawsuits against the county/state/feds? There would be attorneys lined up at the front door of prisons, waiting for inmates to be released, so they could file suits.

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                • SmokeyTheBear
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                  • Jun 2004
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                  #9
                  http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/voices.html
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                  • jonpotz
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                    • Aug 2004
                    • 960

                    #10
                    for the most part its a myth...

                    there are more people smearing human fecal matter all over the cells then there are rapes.

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                    • SmokeyTheBear
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                      • Jun 2004
                      • 28609

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Evil Jawa
                      Media bullshit.

                      If it is such an epidemic, why aren't there literally thousands of victim lawsuits against the county/state/feds? There would be attorneys lined up at the front door of prisons, waiting for inmates to be released, so they could file suits.

                      Poor ex cons suing people LOL

                      I have been in jail , i know many people who have been in jail . Prison rape is a reality it happens..
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                      • 0000000000000000000001000
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                        • Jan 2005
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                        #12
                        http://www.spr.org/en/doc_01_factsheet.html

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                        • KingAsher
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                          • Aug 2004
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                          #13
                          All I know is that the fear of something like that happening is what keeps my ass in line......... Thats really the most feared thing about jail, in my eyes
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                          • axelcat
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                            • Jun 2002
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Lord of the fungi
                            and there is no steroids in baseball either.

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                            • CDSmith
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                              • May 2001
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                              #15
                              So, what is it you're trying to say here? That it's okay to commit crimes and go to jail because you "probably" won't get assraped?


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                              • SleazyDream
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                                • Jul 2001
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                                #16
                                i've a criminology degree - when i was getting my degree 12 years ago there was a hippie grad student doing studies on this subject and he concluded that there was almost NO rape in max security prisons. He had a large grant to fly all around the country and conduct this research. It was pathetic and i'll explain why.

                                I was curious as to these findings as I had friends who's father's worked as guards in max prisons and they told me different.

                                turns out the stats were based on a survey given to prisoners asking if they had ever been raped.

                                Ok - think about it - I'm a guy - say I get raped in prison. NO ONE is ever gona find out about it - as far as I'm concerned - it didn't happen. I block it out of my memory and don't EVER want to discuss it. And I'm def not going to admit to it on some survey no matter how many assurances you give me that my input is private. Thus the survey says no one has ever been raped in prison.
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                                • Evil Jawa
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Nov 2001
                                  • 444

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                  Poor ex cons suing people LOL

                                  I have been in jail , i know many people who have been in jail . Prison rape is a reality it happens..
                                  Have you been fucked in the ass ?

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                                  • Theo
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                                    • May 2001
                                    • 34515

                                    #18
                                    it varies from prisons to prisons. I can see what SD said being very logical. Max. security prisons (i believe) dont allow any kind of contact between prisoners without supervision.

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                                    • TheJimmy
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                                      • Jan 2001
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                                      #19
                                      I would rather kill or be killed than go to prison, period...fed joint maybe, state, no fucking way...

                                      and I figure once you get in you have a few choices:

                                      1) beat someone BADLY and FAST or become a victim
                                      2) kill yourself
                                      3) no other option than 1 or 2, you will most probably become infected with AIDS after repeated rape if you are even a half decent looking white guy with no current gang affiliation...that's just about a death sentence right there...



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                                      • Nembrionic
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                                        • Feb 2003
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Evil Jawa
                                        The governmnet and media promote the black-on-white prison rape myth to keep white males in line.

                                        It's like the fear of an IRS audit keeps people from cheating too much on their taxes.

                                        There is very little rape in prison. Period.

                                        That's what every white guy says that got fucked up the ass

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                                        • JFK
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                                          • Jan 2002
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Evil Jawa
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                                          • pornstar2pac
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                                            #22
                                            Brand0n seems real bitter since getting out of the pen.'
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                                            • CDSmith
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                                              • May 2001
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                              Brand0n seems real bitter since getting out of the pen.'
                                              I'm beginning to understand him and his mindset a little better these days.
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                                              • Evil Jawa
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                                                • Nov 2001
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by JFK
                                                Have you ?
                                                Answering question with a question ?
                                                You must be a not smart person.

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                                                • mahoney
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                                                  • Nov 2003
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                                                  #25
                                                  You call 1 in 5 an urban Legend?
                                                  http://www.spr.org/en/doc_01_factsheet.html

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                                                  • Evil Jawa
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                                                    • Nov 2001
                                                    • 444

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Nembrionic
                                                    That's what every white guy says that got fucked up the ass
                                                    I wouldn't know.

                                                    So who did you get raped by ? Blacks or mexicans ?

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                                                    • Theo
                                                      HAL 9000
                                                      • May 2001
                                                      • 34515

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by mahoney
                                                      You call 1 in 5 an urban Legend?
                                                      http://www.spr.org/en/doc_01_factsheet.html

                                                      over 50% of inmates in prison have AIDS...PERIOD
                                                      holy fuck

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                                                      • Basic_man
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Lord of the fungi
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                                                        • pornstar2pac
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                                                          #29
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                                                          • Tuna
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                                                            #30
                                                            its not wide spread but it does happen.


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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Evil Jawa
                                                              Media bullshit.

                                                              If it is such an epidemic, why aren't there literally thousands of victim lawsuits against the county/state/feds? There would be attorneys lined up at the front door of prisons, waiting for inmates to be released, so they could file suits.
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                                                              • Wiggles
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                                                                #32
                                                                you mean Big Bubba wasn't real?
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                                                                • lickmymonster
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                                                                  #33
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                                                                  DEBORAH DAVIES, BBC CHANNEL FOUR - It's terrible to watch some of the videos
                                                                  and realise that you're not only seeing torture in action but, in the most
                                                                  extreme cases, you are witnessing young men dying. The prison guards stand
                                                                  over their captives with electric cattle prods, stun guns, and dogs. Many of
                                                                  the prisoners have been ordered to strip naked. The guards are yelling abuse
                                                                  at them, ordering them to lie on the ground and crawl. 'Crawl, motherf- - -
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                                                                  If a prisoner doesn't drop to the ground fast enough, a guard kicks him or
                                                                  stamps on his back. There's a high-pitched scream from one man as a dog
                                                                  clamps its teeth onto his lower leg.

                                                                  Another prisoner has a broken ankle. He can't crawl fast enough so a guard
                                                                  jabs a stun gun onto his buttocks. The jolt of electricity zaps through his
                                                                  naked flesh and genitals. For hours afterwards his whole body shakes.

                                                                  Lines of men are now slithering across the floor of the cellblock while the
                                                                  guards stand over them shouting, prodding and kicking.

                                                                  Second by second, their humiliation is captured on a video camera by one of
                                                                  the guards.

                                                                  These were exactly the kind of pictures from inside Abu Ghraib prison in
                                                                  Baghdad that shocked the world this time last year. And they are similar,
                                                                  too, to the images of brutality against Iraqi prisoners that this week led
                                                                  to the conviction of three British soldiers.

                                                                  But there is a difference. These prisoners are not caught up in a war zone.
                                                                  They are Americans, and the video comes from inside a prison in Texas

                                                                  They are just some of the victims of wholesale torture taking place inside
                                                                  the U.S. prison system that we uncovered during a four-month investigation
                                                                  for Channel 4.

                                                                  Our findings were not based on rumour or suspicion. They were based on solid
                                                                  evidence, chiefly videotapes that we collected from all over the U.S.

                                                                  In many American states, prison regulations demand that any 'use of force
                                                                  operation', such as searching cells for drugs, must be filmed by a guard.
                                                                  The theory is that the tapes will show proper procedure was followed and
                                                                  that no excessive force was used. In fact, many of them record the exact
                                                                  opposite.

                                                                  Each tape provides a shocking insight into the reality of life inside the
                                                                  U.S. prison system , a reality that sits very uncomfortably with President
                                                                  Bush's commitment to the battle for freedom and democracy against the forces
                                                                  of tyranny and oppression.

                                                                  In fact, the Texas episode outlined above dates from 1996, when Bush was
                                                                  state Governor. . .

                                                                  All the lawyers I spoke to during our investigations shared Carlson's belief
                                                                  that Abu Ghraib, far from being the work of a few rogue individuals, was
                                                                  simply the export of the worst practices that take place in the domestic
                                                                  prison system all the time. . .

                                                                  Many of the tapes we've collected are several years old. That's because they
                                                                  only surface when determined lawyers prise them out of reluctant state
                                                                  prison departments during protracted lawsuits. But for every 'historical'
                                                                  tape we collected, we also found a more recent story. What you see on the
                                                                  tape is still happening daily.

                                                                  It's terrible to watch some of the videos and realize that you're not only
                                                                  seeing torture in action but, in the most extreme cases, you are witnessing
                                                                  young men dying.

                                                                  In one horrific scene, a naked man, passive and vacant, is seen being led
                                                                  out of his cell by prison guards. They strap him into a medieval-looking
                                                                  device called a 'restraint chair'. His hands and feet are shackled, there's
                                                                  a strap across his chest, his head lolls forward. He looks dead. He's not.
                                                                  Not yet.

                                                                  The chair is his punishment because guards saw him in his cell with a
                                                                  pillowcase on his head and he refused to take it off. The man has a long
                                                                  history of severe schizophrenia. Sixteen hours later, they release him from
                                                                  the chair. And two hours after that, he dies from a blood clot resulting
                                                                  from his barbaric treatment.

                                                                  The tape comes from Utah , but there are others from Connecticut, Florida,
                                                                  Texas, Arizona and probably many more. We found more than 20 cases of
                                                                  prisoners who've died in the past few years after being held in a restraint
                                                                  chair.

                                                                  Two of the deaths we investigated were in the same county jail in Phoenix,
                                                                  Arizona, which is run by a man who revels in the title of 'America's
                                                                  Toughest Sheriff.'

                                                                  His name is Joe Arpaio. He positively welcomes TV crews and we were promised
                                                                  'unfettered access.' It was a reassuring turn of phrase , you don't want to
                                                                  be fettered in one of Sheriff Joe's jails.

                                                                  We uncovered two videotapes from surveillance cameras showing how his tough
                                                                  stance can end in tragedy. The first tape, from 2001, shows a man named
                                                                  Charles Agster dragged in by police, handcuffed at the wrists and ankles.
                                                                  Agster is mentally disturbed and a drug user. He was arrested for causing a
                                                                  disturbance in a late-night grocery store. The police handed him over to the
                                                                  Sheriff's deputies in the jail. Agster is a tiny man, weighing no more than
                                                                  nine stone, but he's struggling.

                                                                  The tape shows nine deputies manhandling him into the restraint chair. One
                                                                  of them kneels on Agster's stomach, pushing his head forward on to his knees
                                                                  and pulling his arms back to strap his wrists into the chair.

                                                                  Bending someone double for any length of time is dangerous , the manuals on
                                                                  the use of the 'restraint chair' warn of the dangers of 'positional
                                                                  asphyxia.'

                                                                  Fifteen minutes later, a nurse notices Agster is unconscious. The cameras
                                                                  show frantic efforts to resuscitate him, but he's already brain dead. He
                                                                  died three days later in hospital. Agster's family is currently suing
                                                                  Arizona County. . .

                                                                  A few years ago, in Florida, the new warden of the high security state
                                                                  prison ordered an end to the videoing of 'use of force operations.' So we
                                                                  have no tapes to show how prison guards use pepper spray to punish
                                                                  prisoners. But we do have the lawsuit describing how men were doused in
                                                                  pepper spray and then left to cook in the burning fog of chemicals.
                                                                  Photographs taken by their lawyers show one man has a huge patch of raw skin
                                                                  over his hip. Another is covered in an angry rash across his neck, back and
                                                                  arms. A third has deep burns on his buttocks.

                                                                  'They usually use fire extinguishers size canisters of pepper spray,' lawyer
                                                                  Christopher Jones explained. 'We have had prisoners who have had second
                                                                  degree burns all over their bodies. . .

                                                                  And why were they sprayed? According to the official prison reports, their
                                                                  infringements included banging on the cell door and refusing medication.
                                                                  From the same Florida prison we also have photographs of Frank Valdes ,
                                                                  autopsy pictures. Realistically, he had little chance of ever getting out of
                                                                  prison alive. He was on Death Row for killing a prison officer. He had time
                                                                  to reconcile himself to the Electric Chair , he didn't expect to be beaten
                                                                  to death.

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                                                                  • pornstar2pac
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    that story is about iraq genius
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                                                                    • Nembrionic
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                                                                      • Feb 2003
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Evil Jawa
                                                                      I wouldn't know.

                                                                      So who did you get raped by ? Blacks or mexicans ?
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                                                                      • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                        ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                                        • 28609

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by somedude
                                                                        But there is a difference. These prisoners are not caught up in a war zone.
                                                                        They are Americans, and the video comes from inside a prison in Texas
                                                                        Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                                                        that story is about iraq genius
                                                                        heh i was thinking the same thing at first ,
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                                                                        • MikeVega
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                                                                          • Jul 2004
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                                                                          #37
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                                                                          • lickmymonster
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                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                            • 628

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                                                            that story is about iraq genius

                                                                            You didn't read the post. Go back to sucking on your shit covered fingers.

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                                                                            • pornstar2pac
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                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                              • 17380

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by lickmymonster
                                                                              You didn't read the post. Go back to sucking on your shit covered fingers.


                                                                              wow. what's on your mind. you scat fiend
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                                                                              • kyree666
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                                                                                • Feb 2005
                                                                                • 30

                                                                                #40
                                                                                speak on something you know about, instead of chasing away the doubts people may harbor about your ignorance by posting such nonsensical bullshit....
                                                                                this statement rates very high on the most ignorant statement of the year

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                                                                                • wargames
                                                                                  Kliris
                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                  • 10423

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by shageman
                                                                                  its only rape the first 6months after that its love

                                                                                  Wow that fast huh?
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                                                                                  • eroswebmaster
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                                                                                    • Jul 2001
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Evil Jawa
                                                                                    Media bullshit.

                                                                                    If it is such an epidemic, why aren't there literally thousands of victim lawsuits against the county/state/feds? There would be attorneys lined up at the front door of prisons, waiting for inmates to be released, so they could file suits.
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                                                                                    • ytcracker
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      ive had a lot of friends in prison

                                                                                      none of them got raped
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                                                                                      • SmokeyTheBear
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                                                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                                                        • 28609

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by ytcracker
                                                                                        ive had a lot of friends in prison

                                                                                        none of them got raped

                                                                                        Do you honestly think they are going to tell you..

                                                                                        " whats up ytcracker i just got out of jail , i cant sit down cuz i got bum stuffed , what have you been up too ? "
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                                                                                        • reynold
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                                                                                          • Oct 2002
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          wtf? so it still stands that there is rape in prisons

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                                                                                          • Love Brokers
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                                                                                            #46
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                                                                                            • pornstar2pac
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                                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                                              • 17380

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              wonder who HERE has been punk'd in prison?


                                                                                              I can only think of one name when it comes to doing hard time(no pun intented)
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                                                                                              • oberheimer
                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                                • 791

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                i read about a guy that stole a nr plate of a car and he went to prison. Do you know what the singed when he came in "im a chick you have a dick and im gonna fuck you in the ass"
                                                                                                So i think there are alot of this in prison

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                                                                                                • sonofsam
                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                  • Dec 2004
                                                                                                  • 18647

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by shageman
                                                                                                  its only rape the first 6months after that its love
                                                                                                  I like turtles.

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                                                                                                  • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                    ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                    • Jun 2004
                                                                                                    • 28609

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    priming evildoer
                                                                                                    hatisblack at yahoo.com

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