Why I Haven't Joined NATS or MPA3 Yet
 

Stuff like this:

http://www.businessvoyeur.com/2005-0...away-from-nats

as well as the thread last week about Jason & Alex leaving NATS keeps me from signing up for either program.

Trends come and go, but CCBill has always ALWAYS treated me well. I'll just stick with what they offer. I've been in this business almost 8 years now. When it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Comparing CCBill to NATS is like comparing apples and oranges. They aren't even remotely similar.

I agree.. it's good that you enjoy being with CCBill.. but if you were to drop CCBill for NATS you would be the laughing stock of the industry. :1orglaugh

The point is:

I've been using CCBill's affiliate manager exclusively since my sites opened. I think I'll stick with that alone for now until a decent cascading billing/affiliate manager solution is in place.

I've spoken with another large program that tried cascading billing and was told they saw very little difference. I think people exaggerate the number of "extra sales".

I obviously didn't do a good job explaining what I meant. See post #4. NOW! LOL. :)

The only way you'll ever know is by trying out for yourself.

I've personally seen the difference, on two different occasions. Which is why as an affiliate I will very rarely send traffic to programs that are not cascading. If the site owner wants to leave money on the table that's his decision, I'll stick with sending my traffic to those that are eager to process every interested surfer possible.

If I was an affiliate I'd be afraid of losing credit for the sale somewhere in the middle of all that extra processing. From some of the things I've been hearing from trusted people in the business it's highly likely to happen.

I'm off to run some errands for a few hours... I'll check back in later.

All I can say is that there are a handful of companies that I really look up to... Karups is one of them.

And the company that told me they didn't see much difference is another. I won't mention them, but they're gold.

Those two companies, combined with the Jason and Alex thread, lead me to the decision to keep things exactly as they are for now.

I'd love to see some feedback from others.

Imagine that your sales wouldn't increase. But what about your eggs? With cascading, you can put them in 2-3-4 or more baskets.

I'd like to know what Karups are moving to, whether it be a custom solution or another companies' product.

Write up your own codes but keep it simple don't think it could be too hard for any good programmer :)

As the innovator of an affordable cascading billing solution integrated into a full fledged affliate management software I can say that over the course of the past 4 years our customers have enjoyed an average of about 26% increase in joins using a cascade over multiple processing companies.

The numbers are indeniable.

:2 cents:

Even tho we don't really speak and we had some minor words in the past, your thread is interesting. I'm not switching either. Doesn't matter if I make mil's or six fig's :2 cents:

I put my :2 cents: on this one

We are moving back to our old system while a custom program is being written for us. It will be open source and we will own the code. We will be adding many of the features that were such a hit as cascade billing, sales will show the referring url, Hosted galleries, and all those other goodies you guys love.

That would be an AWESOME move, coders could add to that to make one of the best affiliate software solutions around :thumbsup

Wow, and why would you make it open source? Just curious? IS there a "catch"? Or do you just hope ppl will find the flaws, and report it to you?

I think by "open source" he probably means NOT Leased and behind Z-Op so that his programing people will have it open to them ( karup's ).

Nice. :)

I have a guy who could do that job for you, by the way. He comes with great references from people you know well.

- Donny -

To do that a paysite would have to be getting over 30% in declines if they were with one processor.

Who here gets 30% declines at the first processor, I know I don't. More like 5% and if they get declined it's usually for a good reason.

We are with My Virtual Card and CCBILL. CCBILL do 90% of the sign ups on the paysite, I believe it's because the surfer has used them before and trusts them. On the Content stores we got 80% of our money or maybe even more going via MVC.

The reasons are MVC have a higher limit, we name them as our prefered processor (the buyers trust us) and they are top of the list. But we do get more refusals from MVC on the stores and then we refer them to CCBILL who usually processes the payment.

YARGH! All this drama be delayin' me boat from gettin' smacked with a bottle of champagne!

I was going to go with one of them tallywaggin' fruit fruit systems, but decided to get me affiliate system custom. Delays delays but...

i understand why you wouldnt want to move to nats, but i dont see why you would stick with ccbill. they're a great processor and if you like them so much they should be your main processor, but theres no reason to get a script for cascading.

I agree with Charly on this. My denials are 10%, so the max. my income could increase would be 10%. But at least 50% of those 10% are denied for a good reason and I dont want them as members.

any programs here want to post (percentage wise) how much their sales on non-primary processors compare to those of their primary? thats the only stat that matters.

Most of the "bonus" profits from cascading is made up by what the partner doesn't get paid - I don't mean shaving -
I have trusted ccbill since they started (I joined them from the Sypro dimise)
Presently, partners collect at a minimum 25$ If they leave before that amount - I assume ccbill pocket the outstanding - It has certainly never come back to me.
With cascading, you can set a much higher figure - Normally 100$ - This gives the programme longer time with most partner's cash, and, as many never actually reach that first 100$ - The programme keeps it.