teenrevenue: Getting fuskered up the ass
 

http://www.fusker.lewww.com/index.php?query=trixieteen

Come on guys! Block these losers out!

Alex

Thanks =]

dont allow blank referrers

That's pretty fucked up

The worst part is that if you are trying to make money, you are competing with this stuff.

Alex

no shit.
 

We're all here to try and make money. Makes me wonder why there's so much free porn and so many damm gallery samples floating around outside the member areas.

This should be a big help:

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...ghlight=fusker

Programs that provide free galleries really should restrict access to their own domains only. That won't fix ALL the hot linkers, but removing 95% of them will make a difference. I want to make money selling your programs, but it's hard when sites like fusker are giving your entire site away for free.

Alex

uuuh.. it is just hotlinking to the free galleries anyway.

I think a lot of the programs are putting their galleries in there themselves.

It looks like a nice little scam. 99% of the content in there is FHG. I bet the program owners love that site. Free advertising for the site, without any affiliate costs. It is content that they are giving away for free anyway.

Showing content with no ads? Nope

Actually with the watermark on there, they probably dont mind.

http://www.fusker.lewww.com/index.ph...ry=trixieteen&


why give such a high quality pic out on a gallery, for free?

don't get it

same as giving out all the hot fucking and jizz shots in hosted galleries

it's like some people want the surfer to get off

The site logo is displayed on the pictures, there is a link on fusker to go directly to the gallery page where the pictures come from, the same pictures are available for free in the gallery. It is free advertising for the website, sure it costs them bandwidth, but probably cheaper than going 50/50 with affiliates. I bet those links are put out there by the site owners themselves. They are spamming Fusker.

Nice little trick. Fool the surfers into believing they are getting site content for free. Does it work?

Seems like they are stealing massive bandwidth from promoters too :disgust

maybe the owner is very generous

Fusker Surfers Will Never Pay
 

The content should be preserved for traffic that's ready to pay. The sponsors should hold back member content so i't only seen by paying customers, period, amen. If sponsors started limiting distribution of free content (at least for the first 30 to 60 days of a new site), then sales would go up.

Thats exactly it. They want the best damn free site. Protect my bookmarkers and never ask for the sale. Fusker just takes it to the next level. and they are not lying to themselves. Look at the glorious advantages. No pop ups. no pesky links that will take your surfer to a sponsor site. It's almost the perfect TGP solution. Boy If we could all just find a nice thumb preview Fusker site we would be set. </ my stupid rant>

I know from first hand account that as a program owner, you still make money. Newsgroups, this shit, anything were the URL to the site in question is left in, you still make money. Lots of cash. Why worry about this though.. the passwords to all of your favorite sites to sell are given out on the IRC in the tens of thousands per day. That means $250,000 to $1,000,000 a day is lost to the industry. That is $91,250,000 to $365,000,000 per year...

You are trying to fill the wrong leak. I know for a fact that fusker makes each sponsor with the URL left intact in the pic any where from $100 to $1000 per day.

For this to work you would need to redirect the user through your own link to get the affiliate money.

think http://www.trixieteen.cjb.net
And you would have to put this over the real URL in the photos...

Wow and the teen revenue guys have 300 to 500k tgp images. Thats got to add up to atleast a lilttle bandwith of slow down or a slow down on server speed.

V_rocks: the problem is that for every $100 they make this way, they end up losing affiliates and removing sales from their system. The surfers have more than enough content here to whack to their heart's content. They are not going to pay. Fusker wastes bandwidth, and making it very hard for the affiliates to compete.

Programs that choose to allow this sort of stuff, well, affiliates might want to think about what they are competiting against.

V_rocks: strongbox or similar type programs all but eliminate password trading as an issue. You can only count lost dollars if the users at the end would otherwise have bought memberships.

With Fusker, you can count the bandwidth bills... you know you are losing.

Alex

What I didn't (possibly didn't) say about fusker is that while the sponsor makes money, the affiliates lose it and in the long run, the sponsor will begin to lose money as more affiliates drop off or give away to much content and don't entice the surfer. Or to many sources are available to get free porn. Shit, I used to think there were to many sources back in 1998... hehe... fucking insane now.

As for strongbox and other password scripts I have this to say,

HAhahahhahaha hahhahahahah hahahhahahahahhahahahhahahaha

Why? Because on the IRC passwords are not given out in lists for everyone to kill (cause to go over the accepted limit of IP's per time limit). On the IRC passwords are cracked in real time for you and you only. I don't talk about it because I like the sound of my own voice and have no experience. I used to crack them. I know how insanely easy it is and how many I can do in an hour. I know how many my channels did and I know how many channels are in a network. I know how many networks there are and I also know quite a bit about how much sponsors lose to it.

If I crack YOU a password, YOU and the true owner to the account are the only ones using it. The likelyhood that you and the true owner will use it at the same time is minimal. The likelyhood that even if you did, the software is configured to allow this to happen is pretty large (AOL fucked this up for you all). So even if I give it out 2 or 3 more times in the month, AOL probably caused you to allow up to 2, 3 4 or 5 IP's to use it within a 10 minute time span. So this password will not die. And if someone else asked for it because they saw you had gotten it, I wouldn't give them your same account, I'd just crack them another one in about 30 seconds to 10 minutes depending on the level of protection you are using (form login vs. basic authentication for example).

My numbers are true. They are a reflection of what is going on. You can choose to deny it. Many have and do. You all built a business model based on them doing it (they have been doing it before there was an internet (IRC came first, cracked passwords to paid adult BBS's)).

But as Brad Shaw would say, "I don't like leaving money on the table."

1/3 of a billion dollars a year is a fucking lot of money to leave on the table.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

And another thing... The amount of chargebacks, refunds and general customer service time and energy spent reactivating accounts should be enough to make you all think about the money that is being added to that 1/3 of a billion.

the easiest way to protect gallery images is to put the thumbs and html pages under the main gallery directory, then put the images in a directory under the main directory then toss a htaccess file in the images directory that only allows the images to be pulled from your domain only (using referring url access in your htaccess)
my page
http://www.landofvenus.com/submit/venus4/index.html
is setup like that, anyone can go to that page, but they cannot hotlink the images.
this is better then using deny from in htaccess because it blocks anyone from hotlinking, not just the places you know about.

it all depends on the software being used. Personally I have mine set to a pretty low limit and I do not reset the IP addresses for about 2 months, so if a pass is used by multiple people in that time frame it gets blocked and stays blocked untill the owner emails me for a new pass.

your thing about multiple people having to use a password at the same time or a time limit is not applicable to all software.

Nice software.. just played with it... blocked almost all of my proxies right from the beginning...

Probably why.

thinking outloud here. could an adult site maybe have two members areas. 1 that the user must first log into that it asks for some personal information before continuing. then once the information is provided it generates a temporary password to the site. a password that only stays active as long as that person is viewing the site. the site would know when you left then that password would no longer be active. im sure something like this wouldnt be completely secure. but ill bet it would make things lots tougher. this would eliminate a persons password from being active 24 hours a day.

Sure looks like teenrevenue is spamming fusker.

All the fuskers are pointing to their FHGs. Pretty convenient. If they are on an unlimited band width plan it costs them nothing to do this.

http://www.fusker.lewww.com/index.php?query=chloe18

I agree with Alex

If a program is over exposed at Fusker it has to hurt sales overall to us as affiliates. If that happens and sales fall we simply stop promoting. Will a program notice if 5, 10 or 100 affiliates stop promoting? Maybe not but it does happen.

Blablabla.. For gods sake teenrevenue doesn't gives out any hardcore content :)

Sure it doesn't look like they are giving out hardcore content. It is free content.

But, they are giving out all the content that affiliates use to promote the site and make sales. They are hurting their affiliates.

Maybe they are saving on some affiliate costs, but is that good business in the long run?

But it looks like they are spamming the heck out of their sites on fusker. Just something for the affiliates to take note of. Is it worth their while pushing teenrevenue sites, if this is what they are going to do. Maybe teenrevenue does not need affiliates? Drop 'em!

It's the question of short term gain for longer term pain. Fusker will burn through your content quickly, and make it harder for people to promote your sites. It will possibly give you some early sales, but it lowers the overall effectiveness of the free content.

What an individual program decides to do is up to them, but all programs should be aware that by supporting fusker, they are directly competing with their own affiliates for income at the level that most affiliates work. It may change the value of clicks to your programs in the mid to long term.

Alex

Hum why do you think the program owners are doing this. Could be some surfers too. There are lotsa boards like that on the web..

Short term gain, long term pain... why do you think sites burn out after only a few months?

Alex

heh, http://babes.usefulidiot.com/ is just like fusker with thumbnails