India vs. Pakistan...anyone in the area?
 

The U.S. press does not seem to be giving this the attention it deserves. I'm far more scared of what may come of this than of a few loony terrorists. Read this, for an example. http://sg.news.yahoo.com/reuters/asia-80387.html India has withdrawn its ambassador from Pakistan twice before, and both times they did, they were at war within days. They just pulled their ambassador again a day or two ago. Is anyone on this board in that area? Is it as bad as I'm guessing?

Yeah, not pretty.

3rd world nations with nuclear weapons, this ought to be good. India will fuck Pakistan up just in sheer numbers, and now that the USA is all up Pakistan's ass... this is gonna be real interesting.

yep both have nuckear weapons(got them from china or soviets probably)

it is very bad

thanks to England for these countries they made these countries

they separate them http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/frown.gif

yup, its scary shit, we might all go the green way of the nuke... http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/frown.gif

now, where did all this shit come from? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/frown.gif

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holy shit
this is horrible shit
and im with u, cant believe the media is ignoring this
if the countries do go to war, i wonder if the u.s would back up pakistan with forces or not

I'm sure the U.S. will smash it with peace talks, look at Afganistan what Russia couldn't do in 10 years we did in a matter of months.

england seperate them

to keep the power in area

i hope one day

star trek s story will be true

I hope Humans will still be around in 100 years

First off ... Pakistan may have got the bomb from Russia, or from infiltrating Indian security ... but I can assure you that India worked for it ... the same way we did ...

Little known fact is that India has some of the greatest scientists in the world. They have been Nuclear for some time now .... this is nothing new.

Any of you guys calling India a 3rd world country, are really not up on your social studies ... Mumbai and Delhi are WORLD CLASS cities.

By that ideology, I guess the US is a third world country, because they have some slummmy areas too ??

India and Pakistan have been at war over the Kashmir region for several years now ... and have both been nuclear for some time now ... but contrary to popular (maybe IGNORANT is more accurate) western beleifs, they are both highly civilized countries, and pose little threat ... they have the bomb, yes ... doesn't mean they are in any more of a hurry to use it then we are !!!

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According to janes defence review Pakistan got its nucleur weapons technology from Isreal.
India developed their own.
For the record, America LOST in afghanistan, the real winner was Russia.
The Northern alliance is Russian controlled.
The Taliban were not destroyed, they simply intergrated back into the Northern Alliance.
Hence, the sudden increaese in the Northern Alliance army of 70,000 soldiers.
Did anyone not even notice that the Taliban who are in possession of over 3,000 stinger missles did not even use them?

The big winner in terms of post-Sept. 11 "War For Oil" is Russia, which now rivals Saudi Arabia as the world's dominant energy producer.

Since oil and politics tend to flow in the same direction, the rise of Russia's oil industry will have major strategic impact. It will transform global business, too, as Russian oil companies such as Lukoil and Yukos join the likes of Exxon-Mobil and BP among the "super-majors."

The Afghanistan war will give Russia control over the oil flowing out of Central Asia, according to energy experts.
The output from the two big Central Asian producers, Azerbaijan and Kakazkhstan, could total roughly 3 million barrels per day by 2010.

Russian companies may also be the dominant players in Iraq, regardless of who's in power there. That would add another 6 million barrels per day of potential production under Moscow's loose control.

Then add Russia's own production, which now totals more than 7 million barrels per day, and it's obvious that Moscow is on its way to becoming the worlds leading power.
Russia would have a degree of control over about 16 million barrels per day, roughly double the current production of Saudi Arabia. And those totals don't include natural gas, where Russia is already the dominant producer, by far.

Russia's emerging dominance of the energy industry is a theme of a recent study by the Petroleum Finance Co., a Washington consulting firm. Their analysts note that when you combine Russia's proven oil and gas reserves, it is already the world's leading energy nation, with about 15 percent more proven reserves than Saudi Arabia.

The big change will come as Russian oil companies change from sluggish state-owned giants (and their toxic successors, the privatized companies whose shares were looted by Russian "oligarchs") into dynamic modern companies.

These Russian companies today are chronically undervalued because of their robber-baron roots. Yukos, for example, has reserves roughly equal to those of TotalFinaElf. Yet its market capitalization is less than one-tenth that of the European company.

The Russian oil giants are beginning to invest aggressively outside their home market, in areas where the Russians have easy political access. Lukoil, for example, is investing heavily in Iraq's West Qurna field, which is expected to produce nearly 700,000 barrels per day. The company is also exploring for oil in Algeria, Sudan and Libya.

"The Russian companies are going to play a major role," agrees Walid Khadduri, the editor of Middle East Economic Survey, an authoritative newsletter on the industry. A big question, he says, is whether Russia will be open to foreign investment in its own energy reserves.

Another energy winner in the post-Sept. 11 world is Iran, according to both Petroleum Finance and Khadduri. Like the Russians, the Iranians were important -- if invisible -- allies in America's war in Afghanistan. And they're likely to be rewarded. "Washington has been forced to recognize Iran's strategic interests in the Middle East and Central Asia," explains the Petroleum Finance study, "but Russia's ascendance in Central Asia will limit Iran's political and economic gains."

Oil is a proxy for power. And the rise of Russia's oil industry is a symbol of Putin's success.
In short, Bush`s "war for oil" has been the biggest foreign policy disaster in the history of America.

Hmm...i can't belive someone even think it can be true...
Pakistan is Islamic country...Islam is against Israel...hmm...yeah why not...let's give the some nuckes...YEAH RIGHT!
there is no way Israel gave Pakistan that info
it just doesn't make any sence...

Hmmm how do you figure that america never actually "participated" in the 1970's-1980's Afganistan war. trained and armed soldiers yes, american troops fighting no.

and yes the Northern Alliance may be partially controlled by Russia but you must admit we are not talking about the same Russia. Clearly you must be missing the point the alternate government the U.S. will be able to control unlike the replacement government shortly after the Soviet rule. True the reason that government came into place is because America left them with nothing, but also brings me to another point why must America be the savior of all the other countries? shouldn't that be a U.N. problem, the U.S. may infact be the security force but why do we have to shell out all the money for "nation building" missions aswell?

Thanks for the oil rant, but thats nowhere near my concern. wether or not you believe this "war for oil" shit is true is totally up to you, i don't think it's oil that any president is concerned about when thinking of war, honestly it purely production as a whole not just more oil.

Think about this, you have funding for a war, honestly it's a governments way of putting more trust in the economy. you need more weapons, transportation, food, and general man-power to make this war posible.

you see oil may be one resource out of many but certainly not the most important one!

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Thanks for the oil rant, but thats nowhere near my concern. wether or not you believe this "war for oil" shit is true is totally up to you, i don't think it's oil that any president is concerned about when thinking of war, honestly it purely production as a whole not just more oil. Think about this, you have funding for a war, honestly it's a governments way of putting more trust in the economy. you need more weapons, transportation, food, and general man-power to make this war posible. you see oil may be one resource out of many but certainly not the most important one!

LMAO - you need to read a bit more about how your president's election campaign was funded - or more particularly - who funded it. Then read about the Gulf War - ya, saving the poor Kuwait country - my fuckin ass.

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yes thats called saving something for yourself. Clearly you misunderstood me, ok time for a few facts.

America averages a major conflict every 20 years. you honestly want to tell me that all of that was over oil?????

Securing your interest is one thing, but to generalize all American presidents as Oil tycoons would be rediculous

first of all they donot have 3000 they have 80 stinger

secondly and more importantly north alliance is not alliance

for example Rasid Dostum tatally supported by Turkey

and another group in alliance supported by russia

and another by iran

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control of oil in asia is not easy as you said

i donot know you know that fact most of population in kazahkhistan azerbajian(esspecially) are turks

this is one of the biggest reasons america america helps Turkey Too much for economy


Russia is not old russia they wont be a superpower again
in past they donot have big rivals
but now
china wont let them

thirdly for indians to develop thier own weapon

they cant do that
china or russia are supporters of them

yep you may have einsteins but without test tubes you cant do anything






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seems 'ridiculous' and 'American presidents' have had a close association over the past 20 years

mm Population in Turkey is %98 muslim and israel is our biggest freinds in area.

we donot have good relationship with anny of iraq iran syria..(although they are muslims)

so learn that religions are tools sometimes you use them sometimes not

if you need alliance religions doesnot matters

There was very recentely an interesting discussion paper from the worl bank on oil.
Ill dig it out and try to post the whole thing.
In short, it states that by 2030, China and India will be the worlds biggest users of oil, accounting for around 60%.
Currently america is, accounting for around 30%.
In short, India and China will become the economic powerhouses of the world.
But the problem for both these countries is they need to get this oil form other countries.
The country therefore, that controls the oil, controls the world.
However, you must have the military might to protect that.
Putin, has postitioned Russia to control the oil, hence control and dominate the world in a major power shift over the next 30 years.
Whats even more interesting, is the World Bank goes on to discuss the ramifications for America as the price of oil rises in a tighter market.
It states that for example : if the price of oil hits $60 a barrel, America will suffer inflation of 150% a month, hence causing a complete economic collapse and reverting its status to that of a third world country dependent on foreign handouts.
Remember, this is the World Bank, which is virtually controlled by America, hence, its virtually putting forward American government opinion here.
You dont have to be a rocket scientist to see the importance of oil here.

Exactly - oil runs the entire world.
Sadly there is still little interest in using natural sources like wind, sun and water to make our cars drive.

what i also knew in 50 years worlds oil sources will be finished

i think who controls the water will dominate world

Turkey is cool...i actully been there last year...well you right http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif
so i need to rewrite the thing i said
the Arab Muslims hates Israel
the other muslims are cool http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif
Peace

This is what every government it suppressing the knowledge of http://www.ask.co.uk/metasearch.asp?MetaEngine=DirectHit&MetaURL=http%3 A%2F%2Fwww%2Emnsi%2Enet%2F%7Ejoso%2Finfo%2Ehtml&Me taTopic=Sorrenti+Machinery%27s+Free+World+Energy%3 A+Water+E ngine&ItemOrdinal=0&aj_product=popularity&m=5&aj_i s=yes&ask=water+engine&qcategory=BUS_&qsource=11&o rigin=0&logid=AB847D281CC0784CBB54A44D23C05FE5

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Kat,

Yes thats what I mean, if we can get our cars to use a water driven engine we wouldnt need so much oil from foreign countries like Saudi Arabia.

P.

but you are forgetting one thing where is the power of america comes from?

from population nope america is not acountry in that mean

just best people around world come and become a country

i really curious about if i america have war with india or china how will the population act. Will asian population in america support war? or support their country?

if ever america stop relation with saudi arabia or other countries in world
america wont be super power anymore

that's not really true. it were their own men from northern alliance who knew the secret hiding places and tunnel ways that destroyed them otherwise US forces would have faced the same consequences as Russian.

Exactly!

Hi People,

I am Abhishek aka BookMarc... and i am an Indian. i have been reading the board for a few months now, thou i havent posted any msg yet. Was waiting for something to say where my input might be useful.

yeah yeah GYF, GFY.

I thought that this post was India Vs. Pakistan ..... wasnt it ? lets get back to it.

to answer people directly. but first i would like to say is .... India "WAS" a 3rd world country.

>>3rd world nations with nuclear weapons, this ought to be good.

Forgive me your highness for speaking out of turn .... but i would hardly term it as "good", "exciting" or whatever other fucking term you choose to describe this.

Lets see you describing this as "good" and "interesting" when you are talking in terms of my "COUNTRY" huh ?

>> India will fuck Pakistan up just in sheer numbers.

Numbers or not .... India will fuck Paistan anyways... it has 2 times in the past .... one back in 1971 and one before that. 1948 i think.

And yes, We, Indians developed our own Nuke. i wont say what Pakistan did cause i dont know and just maybe i dont care. But yes, it wasnt developed in their labs or by thier people. is all that should count.

>> thanks to England for these countries they made these countries

yes if it wasnt for them assholes (England... no offence to people from there thou)... India and Pakistan would still very much one country. their damn devide and rule policy.


>> i wonder if the u.s would back up pakistan with forces or not.

Again, i am not quailfied enuf to talk politics ... but, the US of A ... plays the game with its own set of rules ... not to mention it FUCKING MAKES AND BREAKS AND BENDS them rules as and when if fucking suits them. i wont say anything more on this....


I'll give Hungryman some credit (i also see his button... done in the Indian type scripture) for some of his remarks. :-)

For people who are still ignornat of the fact... MumBai is supposed to be among the Top 10 cities in the world ... by living standards, pay, etc etc.

Now people who still think India is 3rd world .. think agian .... you wouldnt be using PC and the Internet ... if it wasnt for alot of Indian Scientists ... dont believe me ..huh ? go check your IBMs, HPs, MSs, CAs, Compaqs.... go do some work and you'll find 60% of all r&d are being lead by Indians. Check your Yahoo! its bandwidth provider just happens to be a company run and founded by an Indian.....

Need i say more?

Regards,

BookMarc

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We hope you have a joyous holiday full of cheer and that the New Year is your most prosperous yet!

BookMarc:

Thank you for contributing to this thread ...

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I take as much interest in her culture, as she does in our western culture. It makes life far more exciting to partake in cultures other than the one you were born into ... as any worldly traveller can tell you as well. I even speak some Punjabi and Hindi as well. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

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Just a quick question for Lensman or any other adult.com staff who can answer it ...

What is causing the board margins to get so damn wide lately ... having to scroll sideways as well as up and down in order to read the threads is a major pain in the posterior ...

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Hey BabeHunter,

when there's money & power involved, people don't give a shit about religion.

just wanted to let you know http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

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I guess but there is no way Israel would give this kind of weapon to a potantial enemy...sell it to European country...maybe...south America...but not a middle east/asia/africa http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

You forgot to mention that Hotmail was started by an Indian then he later sold it to Microsoft.

Abby

you guys are just mad because John Wayne repressed the Indians his whole life...


oh wait... wrong Indians...


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NEW DELHI, India (AP) - India and Pakistan moved warplanes, troops and reportedly missiles to their border, and the leaders of both nuclear rivals said Tuesday they were looking for peace but ready for war.

Merry Christmas. Perhaps we will have some lovely fallout on New Years. This is stupid. Entire article at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2001..._pakistan.html

yeah! hotmail too.... when the fuck will india and indians realize thier own god damn potential.

hungryman ... susria kal !! tawdi wife nu bhi Abhishek da salam ;-)

troops have been indeed moving and there also have been incident of cross border fire. and lives have been lost. :-(

i know one thing ... noone will ever feel & know the pain, fear, anger, sarrow, tears, and host of other things until you have been walkin the earth for over 15 years with a scar on your face to show for one such terror attack .... and specially when you where in grade school and your best friend was killed in it .... in front of your eyes when you were running with sevral others to save your own.

it still pains man .... it pain very bad http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/frown.gif Sorry.

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And now we have someone who find this funny !!

I don't see any harm in 2 3rd world countries dropping a few bombs on each other and accomplishing 2 things 3 things.
1. killing off a bunch of muslims (that's always a good thing)
2. killing off hundreds of millions of people in an overcrowded part of the world
3. reminding the civilized parts of the world what a nuclear bomb is capable of. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Oh, and Sally, I'm sure you're thought of as smart where ever it is you come from but parrotting one sided info and calling it fact doesn't really fool anyone here. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif
your statements have no more worth than the taliban saying god's on their side.

Yup its official....your the man

Bravo

i hope next time more Planes will fucked up our country

esspecially your home

i will really interest how will you act when you see your childs death body

Not all the Musilms are bad...the Turk muslims are cool http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

You see, I knew you felt this way all along rag head. That's why there should be no muslims. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

The only good muslim is a dead muslim.

12clicks are you Israeli?

nope.

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thanks guy

although i hate arabs as much as you i am against killing any people in world

12clicks,

Did anyone ever tell you you have a very subtle way of making your opinion known?

;-)

if there's one thing I am, its direct. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

beating around the bush leads to confusion.

it says 47 posts ... why the fuck cant read beyond the 36th one http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/frown.gif

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its just America disrespecting India again.