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03-22-2005, 06:04 AM

you know i'm all for people having the right to die i suppose but that's not what is really being debated here. having the right to die is someone on life support that would die within a matter or minutes or maybe an hour almost peacefully, but they're just not giving this woman food and water and going to let her site in a bed and die for 2 weeks? what the fuck is up with that, regardless of all these other issues, that's just fucking disgusting.

on top of that he probably tried to kill her and put her there in the first place.

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03-22-2005, 06:09 AM

this was a sad case from the beginning. the legal system did not get involved the way it should have. both parties are to blame (you cannot tell me the parents did "everything" they could) and i would love nothing more than to see a full investigation occur after this woman is in a better place.

the thing that makes all of this sad is how political and religious it became. this is a woman's life....a woman who cannot speak for herself and somehow it became about peoples religious beliefs.

i do believe they should inject her with something that will speed the process along. she has suffered enough, why prolong the process. if the government was asked to step in to reinstate her feeding tube, then they should be asked to step in to speed the process of dying along faster than it will happen at this pace.

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03-22-2005, 06:12 AM

if anyone should be getting killed it's the husband, shit if i was her relative i would just kill that guy and then her family could take care of her the way they want to.

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03-22-2005, 06:14 AM

How do you know that she doesnt want to die?

I mean, how do you REALLY know.

If I was disabled like her, no, I would not want to lie in a bed for 15 years.

I would tell my wife to let me die too.
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03-22-2005, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by Digipimp

if anyone should be getting killed it's the husband, shit if i was her relative i would just kill that guy and then her family could take care of her the way they want to.

You dont have a clue do you. Ever seen or sit next to someone who is a vegetable for over 5 years??

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03-22-2005, 06:16 AM

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03-22-2005, 06:18 AM

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How do you know that she doesnt want to die?

I mean, how do you REALLY know.

If I was disabled like her, no, I would not want to lie in a bed for 15 years.

I would tell my wife to let me die too.

look this husband is so set on the fact the she would want to die, if she was really that serious about it you have to think she would have mentioned it to her family as well. why for something that supposedly mattered so much to her would she not tell anyone but him? face it, he tried to kill her, this case shouldn't be so much about the right to die, but it is being advertised as such. the right to die is in situations much different than hers, she's alive all they're doing is not feeding her or giving her water and letting her site and die for a few weeks. that's much different than someone on respirators and has had to be brought back several times who would die within a few minutes or a couple hours without this type of torture.

and i'm in favor of people having the right to die, but they need to have it written down on a living will or it shouldn't happen.

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03-22-2005, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by grumpy

You dont have a clue do you. Ever seen or sit next to someone who is a vegetable for over 5 years??

funny thing is she wasn't in this bad of shape 10 years ago, it's no therapy and this bullshit that has allowed her to regress further.

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03-22-2005, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by Digipimp

look this husband is so set on the fact the she would want to die, if she was really that serious about it you have to think she would have mentioned it to her family as well. why for something that supposedly mattered so much to her would she not tell anyone but him? face it, he tried to kill her, this case shouldn't be so much about the right to die, but it is being advertised as such. the right to die is in situations much different than hers, she's alive all they're doing is not feeding her or giving her water and letting her site and die for a few weeks. that's much different than someone on respirators and has had to be brought back several times who would die within a few minutes or a couple hours without this type of torture.

and i'm in favor of people having the right to die, but they need to have it written down on a living will or it shouldn't happen.

Have you mentioned to your family what they have to do when this happens. I mean seriously said what you want.

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03-22-2005, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by grumpy

Have you mentioned to your family what they have to do when this happens. I mean seriously said what you want.

if you're that serious about it you put it in writing and if i were that serious about it i would tell my family all of them, and put it in writing.

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03-22-2005, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by Digipimp

if you're that serious about it you put it in writing and if i were that serious about it i would tell my family all of them, and put it in writing.

when are you gonna do that. When you are a vegetable you are to late. It just happens to you and the people around you have to deal with it.

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03-22-2005, 06:24 AM

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03-22-2005, 06:24 AM

The husband is done - and is holding on waiting for a one million dollar settlement for malpractice. He wants a normal life; He has two children with another woman.

The proper thing for him to do is divorce his wife, and give up any legal claims to any lawsuits. The parents would then take over caring for Terri, and the husband can move on with his life.

I feel sorry for all parties - the husband, the parents,and Terri.

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03-22-2005, 06:25 AM

have any of you faced a situation like this?? if not.. then its only your opinion.

My mother 3 years ago, my sister 20 years ago, my sister in law 15 years ago all had the same situation happen. Their bodies simply could not handle the disease and the decision was made by the family to let them go.

The parents simply dont want to consider their daughter dead - and they obviously do not understand that you dont come back from being braindead. Yet part of the right to live is also part of the right to die.

Fuck this religious thing of 'shes a catholic so she wouldnt want to do' - people change their minds as they grow up and when your husband and wife there are things that you share that not even your own parents know... so dont give me that crap that "shes my daughter I have known her for a lot longer" - I say, "oh ya?? well mom tell me does she swallow or spit??? because thats something about my wife I know that you will never have a clue?? catholic or not!!"

With that being said, I do have a problem with letting her starve to death. The medical code does not allow for assisted proactive suicides as far as lethal injections - but walking away after pulling a tube is torture. Best way of sorting this out is to give the daughter some peaceful time with each one of the family until (if they all wish to be present) - you can simply stop the heart.

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03-22-2005, 06:32 AM

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have any of you faced a situation like this?? if not.. then its only your opinion.

My mother 3 years ago, my sister 20 years ago, my sister in law 15 years ago all had the same situation happen. Their bodies simply could not handle the disease and the decision was made by the family to let them go.

The parents simply dont want to consider their daughter dead - and they obviously do not understand that you dont come back from being braindead. Yet part of the right to live is also part of the right to die.

Fuck this religious thing of 'shes a catholic so she wouldnt want to do' - people change their minds as they grow up and when your husband and wife there are things that you share that not even your own parents know... so dont give me that crap that "shes my daughter I have known her for a lot longer" - I say, "oh ya?? well mom tell me does she swallow or spit??? because thats something about my wife I know that you will never have a clue?? catholic or not!!"

With that being said, I do have a problem with letting her starve to death. The medical code does not allow for assisted proactive suicides as far as lethal injections - but walking away after pulling a tube is torture. Best way of sorting this out is to give the daughter some peaceful time with each one of the family until (if they all wish to be present) - you can simply stop the heart.

She is brain dead now? When did that happen?

How many of you actually know a fucking thing about her condition?
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03-22-2005, 06:33 AM

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The husband is done - and is holding on waiting for a one million dollar settlement for malpractice. He wants a normal life; He has two children with another woman.

The proper thing for him to do is divorce his wife, and give up any legal claims to any lawsuits. The parents would then take over caring for Terri, and the husband can move on with his life.

I feel sorry for all parties - the husband, the parents,and Terri.

he won't do it because he fears that she could be rehabilitated

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03-22-2005, 06:34 AM

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She is brain dead now? When did that happen?

How many of you actually know a fucking thing about her condition?

most of them don't. that's what i was talking about, her situation isn't the classic right to die case.

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03-22-2005, 06:37 AM

I would have no problems with this if she had a living will or something in writting stating that she does not want to be artificially maintained.
In this case, there are 5 witnesses who said that she orally stated that she did not want to be artificially maintained in life.
What bothers me is that those 5 witnesses come from the husband side and also that I doubt anyone would talk about this type of matter to someone other than their spouse or maybe a best friend...
I really feel the husband is trying to hide something, why be so adamant about unpligging her?
He's obviously moved on with his life and no one can blame him for that, so why not just divorce her and let her be her parents' responsability?
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03-22-2005, 06:39 AM

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She is brain dead now? When did that happen?

How many of you actually know a fucking thing about her condition?

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they were showing the catscans last night - it brain damage is so severe that there is no real hope of recovery - its only going to get worse. There still maybe some 'mips' firing, but nothing of logic - she is as close to a vegtable as they come. NO ONE is going to want to live out their life laying in bed with a tube down their throat and yoru condition worsens.

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03-22-2005, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by Digipimp

you know i'm all for people having the right to die i suppose but that's not what is really being debated here. having the right to die is someone on life support that would die within a matter or minutes or maybe an hour almost peacefully, but they're just not giving this woman food and water and going to let her site in a bed and die for 2 weeks? what the fuck is up with that, regardless of all these other issues, that's just fucking disgusting.

on top of that he probably tried to kill her and put her there in the first place.

You've obviously never had a close family member with stroke or anything. The most you can do is give them a morphin drip but in the end they die from starvation complications.....thats just how it is...you can let her live on a tube for another 30 years...or go peacefully to her death....The parents are being selfish if you ask me because 15 years later they still can't let her go...even if its in her best interest
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03-22-2005, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by Digipimp

look this husband is so set on the fact the she would want to die, if she was really that serious about it you have to think she would have mentioned it to her family as well. why for something that supposedly mattered so much to her would she not tell anyone but him? face it, he tried to kill her, this case shouldn't be so much about the right to die, but it is being advertised as such. the right to die is in situations much different than hers, she's alive all they're doing is not feeding her or giving her water and letting her site and die for a few weeks. that's much different than someone on respirators and has had to be brought back several times who would die within a few minutes or a couple hours without this type of torture.

and i'm in favor of people having the right to die, but they need to have it written down on a living will or it shouldn't happen.

Hmmmmm...so she would be the ONLY one who talks more to their spouse about serious issues then the parents that you grow to hate.....hmmmm, sounds pretty strange
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03-22-2005, 06:47 AM

Originally posted by TheLegacy

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/22/schiavo/index.html

Terri Schiavo, 41, collapsed in her home in 1990, suffering from heart failure that led to severe brain damage.

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they were showing the catscans last night - it brain damage is so severe that there is no real hope of recovery - its only going to get worse. There still maybe some 'mips' firing, but nothing of logic - she is as close to a vegtable as they come. NO ONE is going to want to live out their life laying in bed with a tube down their throat and yoru condition worsens.

Thanks for the link.

Should I repeat my question or would you rather scroll up and read it again?
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03-22-2005, 07:30 AM

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03-22-2005, 07:31 AM

Actually, when I am asked to web host something for someone and it's a good cause I do it.

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03-22-2005, 07:55 AM

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03-22-2005, 07:55 AM

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03-22-2005, 07:55 AM

Who do you know ever said if I become a vegatable let me live?
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03-22-2005, 08:01 AM

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on top of that he probably tried to kill her and put her there in the first place.

what are you talking about????

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03-22-2005, 08:03 AM

She had a stroke as far as any medical doctors can tell man.

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03-22-2005, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by Digipimp

look this husband is so set on the fact the she would want to die, if she was really that serious about it you have to think she would have mentioned it to her family as well. why for something that supposedly mattered so much to her would she not tell anyone but him? face it, he tried to kill her, this case shouldn't be so much about the right to die, but it is being advertised as such. the right to die is in situations much different than hers, she's alive all they're doing is not feeding her or giving her water and letting her site and die for a few weeks. that's much different than someone on respirators and has had to be brought back several times who would die within a few minutes or a couple hours without this type of torture.

and i'm in favor of people having the right to die, but they need to have it written down on a living will or it shouldn't happen.

we have a living will...but even so, i've only discussed this with Tony. He knows what my wishes are. I haven't told anyone else on my side of the family. Why would I? Tony is my nearest now...not my mom or dad or brother or sister.

Why do you keep saying that he tried to kill her?

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03-22-2005, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Digipimp

if anyone should be getting killed it's the husband, shit if i was her relative i would just kill that guy and then her family could take care of her the way they want to.

She will never come back. She's not in a coma or anything where there is a chance. So why keep her alive? I'll tell you why....because they are SELFISH!

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03-22-2005, 08:08 AM

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She had a stroke as far as any medical doctors can tell man.

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I am sensing jealousy here.

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03-22-2005, 08:10 AM

the funny part is that the Catholic churh , rome , the pope , the vaticant are 100% against keeping people alive like this ,
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03-22-2005, 08:11 AM

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Who do you know ever said if I become a vegatable let me live?

Spend a day in the bible belt. There are millions of them here who believe that life is so precious that even when it would be better to die they would (and do) choose to continue living. Religion makes people do stupid things.

My Mom has been a nurse for over 30 years now and has told me stories of people who are braindead and left on ventilators for years on end because they believe "life" is always the right choice regardless of circumstances.

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03-22-2005, 08:15 AM

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Spend a day in the bible belt. There are millions of them here who believe that life is so precious that even when it would be better to die they would (and do) choose to continue living. Religion makes people do stupid things.

My Mom has been a nurse for over 30 years now and has told me stories of people who are braindead and left on ventilators for years on end because they believe "life" is always the right choice regardless of circumstances.

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03-22-2005, 09:26 AM

She had a heart attack in 1990 (possibly caused by an eating disorder...bulimia)...and her brain was deprived of oxygen...causing severe brain damage.

For the first two years or so her husband made use of all available known medical procedures that could have possibly improved her condition.

Somewhere along the line a CAT scan was done and it showed that the cortex of her brain no longer existed and had filled with spinal fluid...which means without growing a new cortex she is beyond improvement in her condition. In addition her EEG was flatlined...which means there is not any signifcant brain activity. At this point the husband being informed that her condition was hopeless...he discontinued seeking out treatment to improve her condition. Her parents and he had a major falling out over this decision...but it was his decision to make and not theirs.

It is untrue that he was the only one that was told that she would not want to live via life support. More than one friend of hers testified to this in court.

It is my understanding that the husband does not stand to gain any money from her death other than the possibility that she may have a life insurance policy. She was awarded money for her care and he was awarded money from the same suit for the damage done to his wife. After he collected his share of the award and the attorneys collected their share of the award the remainder of the money was placed in trust for her care.

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03-22-2005, 10:49 AM

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She had a heart attack in 1990 (possibly caused by an eating disorder...bulimia)...and her brain was deprived of oxygen...causing severe brain damage.

For the first two years or so her husband made use of all available known medical procedures that could have possibly improved her condition.

Somewhere along the line a CAT scan was done and it showed that the cortex of her brain no longer existed and had filled with spinal fluid...which means without growing a new cortex she is beyond improvement in her condition. In addition her EEG was flatlined...which means there is not any signifcant brain activity. At this point the husband being informed that her condition was hopeless...he discontinued seeking out treatment to improve her condition. Her parents and he had a major falling out over this decision...but it was his decision to make and not theirs.

It is untrue that he was the only one that was told that she would not want to live via life support. More than one friend of hers testified to this in court.

It is my understanding that the husband does not stand to gain any money from her death other than the possibility that she may have a life insurance policy. She was awarded money for her care and he was awarded money from the same suit for the damage done to his wife. After he collected his share of the award and the attorneys collected their share of the award the remainder of the money was placed in trust for her care.

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03-22-2005, 11:54 AM

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So you are of the opinion to keep the tube out and just let her go?

i think she should be allowed to die.

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03-22-2005, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Digipimp

if you're that serious about it you put it in writing and if i were that serious about it i would tell my family all of them, and put it in writing.

I've done a little survey of my friends and family in the last week or so. so far every single one of them has said they would not want to be kept alive like this and yet none of them - not even one of them - has this in writing. Of my friends I asked if they had told thier parents this and they were not sure but the married ones had told thier spouses.

If nothing else comes of this case I think it might bring forth the need for everyone to have a living will.
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03-22-2005, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by MGibson

If I was disabled like her, no, I would not want to lie in a bed for 15 years.

I would tell my wife to let me die too.

Something tells me you wouldn't have to beg very hard to convince her to give the order. I'm pretty sure the rest of the country would support the decision, as well.

As a matter of fact, if you ever find yourself in that position Dave, I would like to volunteer my services to personally come into your room and do the yanking. Consider it my gift to you.

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03-22-2005, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by PussyMan

I would have no problems with this if she had a living will or something in writting stating that she does not want to be artificially maintained.
In this case, there are 5 witnesses who said that she orally stated that she did not want to be artificially maintained in life.
What bothers me is that those 5 witnesses come from the husband side and also that I doubt anyone would talk about this type of matter to someone other than their spouse or maybe a best friend...
I really feel the husband is trying to hide something, why be so adamant about unpligging her?
He's obviously moved on with his life and no one can blame him for that, so why not just divorce her and let her be her parents' responsability?
Also, no one has mentioned the husband current common law partner?
Why is she letting her man fight so much for his ex-wife?
Something does not smell right in this affair

I don't know a lot about the guy and I agree most people would not blame him for moving on somewhat with his life.

The easy road out for him would have been to divorce her and leave her to her parents. Some say he is in this for money. I don't think that is the case. They said after the lawyers and medical bills are paid that there will only be about 200K left from her malpractice suit. A group, this week, offered him 1 million dollars to divorce her and walk away and he said no.

I happen to think that he is telling the truth, that she told him she would not want to go on like this and he is carrying out her last wish. I think if you are married to someone obviously you love them. When something like this happens you don't just cease all feeling for her. Maybe he feels like he owes her this one last thing and wants to see it through.
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03-22-2005, 12:11 PM

it took him 7 years to "remember" her wishes and only after a settlement did he take her off her therapy where from what ive heard, she was talking and moving around. he has a new family now and he wants to move on, nothing more. if she were to come out of it people would look to him for support which he isnt willing to give anymore.

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03-22-2005, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by bringer

it took him 7 years to "remember" her wishes and only after a settlement did he take her off her therapy where from what ive heard, she was talking and moving around. he has a new family now and he wants to move on, nothing more. if she were to come out of it people would look to him for support which he isnt willing to give anymore.

she isn't going to come out of it.

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03-22-2005, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by bringer

it took him 7 years to "remember" her wishes and only after a settlement did he take her off her therapy where from what ive heard, she was talking and moving around. he has a new family now and he wants to move on, nothing more. if she were to come out of it people would look to him for support which he isnt willing to give anymore.

Did you just make up this little fairy tale of yours?
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