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Xenophage 02-13-2005 01:55 PM

A Federal Judge Dismisses an Obscenity Prosecution on Privacy Grounds:
 
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hilden/20050131.html

man this is an awesome read !

check out these parts

Precluded from citing any longstanding moral interest, the government in Extreme Associates put forward another putative state interest in an attempt to justify charging the defendants with violations of the criminal obscenity laws: An interest in protecting children, and unconsenting adults, from seeing such material.

But Judge Lancaster did not find this interest convincing. He pointed out that the website already protected children and unconsenting adults by erecting a number of gates: To buy a film, the purchaser had to use a credit card, purchase a membership, and receive and use a password.

And in any event, Judge Lancaster noted, even if the criminal law of obscenity marginally did serve these interests, it was far too blunt an instrument to do so constitutionally. The Supreme Court has made clear that adults should not lose rights to view material just because a "determined minor" can figure out a way to access that material, too.

This second ruling by Judge Lancaster was also very convincing. Especially since civil penalties are an option, and the site does use a credit-card requirement to screen out most minors, it seems grossly excessive for the defendants to face jail sentences of up to five years under the law. When it comes to the First Amendment, especially, the punishment must fit the offense far better than this.

In addition, the Supreme Court has long held that adults cannot, in effect, be sent back to the nursery when it comes to First Amendment rights: Just as a few industrious sixteen-year-olds are doubtless going to sneak pornographic magazines from behind the cash register, so too will they figure out a way to get a credit card and download pornographic films. We may want to take measures to stop them, but such measures should not include treating all adults accessing a give site like sixteen-year-olds, in the fear that a few sixteen-year-olds will masquerade as adults and gain access to the site.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 02-13-2005 01:57 PM

Yup indeed...

Fletch XXX 02-13-2005 02:00 PM

nice one

xanx 02-13-2005 02:01 PM

very nice !

Project-Shadow 02-13-2005 02:55 PM

That's a step in the right direction for sure.

Xenophage 02-13-2005 03:06 PM

yes this has been a huge win for our industry... but this article sheds more light on it

Major (Tom) 02-13-2005 03:24 PM

God Speed Rob Black. God Speed.

Duke

jimmyf 02-13-2005 04:12 PM

that's a very good read.

Thanks

JFK 02-13-2005 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars
yes this has been a huge win for our industry... but this article sheds more light on it

thanks for posting that :thumbsup

Cassie 02-13-2005 04:26 PM

thanks for posting that. definitely a step up the ladder. :thumbsup

tungsten 02-13-2005 04:28 PM

thanks for the informative read

tASSy 02-13-2005 04:40 PM

very interesting indeed, thanks for posting it here :)

swami 02-13-2005 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tungsten
thanks for the informative read

Ditto.
It almost restores my faith in what makes the USA a great country.The First Amendment is the cornerstone of what made America the richest country in the world and these false prophets deciding whats good and evil need to fuck off! :2 cents:

$5 submissions 02-13-2005 05:04 PM

Interesting how this plays out with rulings from more conservative appeals circuits. Hopefully the next court level--appellate court--approves of this reasoning. This will set the stage for Supreme Court review (since they normally hate contrasting schools of thought among the differing circuits).

pornguy 02-13-2005 05:13 PM

Thanks for posting that Lars.

Looks like a small on for us.

tony286 02-13-2005 05:17 PM

Bravo Lets send Judge Lancaster a big fruit basket for Christmas :)

Xenophage 02-13-2005 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by $5 submissions
Interesting how this plays out with rulings from more conservative appeals circuits. Hopefully the next court level--appellate court--approves of this reasoning. This will set the stage for Supreme Court review (since they normally hate contrasting schools of thought among the differing circuits).


I dont think it goes to any other level I think Black won dont think the government can apeal its case.

slipkid 02-13-2005 06:48 PM

Good stuff. Avoid the extremes, nice lesson. Good news!

smack 02-13-2005 07:00 PM

excellent news. finally someone has the sense to think before they legislate.

titmowse 02-13-2005 07:07 PM

I like that judge. :thumbsup

Muff 02-13-2005 07:22 PM

A great precedence for any such cases that may come up.

baddog 02-13-2005 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars
I dont think it goes to any other level I think Black won dont think the government can apeal its case.

They could take it to the Supreme Court . . . but I doubt they would.

baddog 02-13-2005 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars
But Judge Lancaster did not find this interest convincing. He pointed out that the website already protected children and unconsenting adults by erecting a number of gates: To buy a film, the purchaser had to use a credit card, purchase a membership, and receive and use a password.

and a big Fuck You to Visa

Xenophage 02-14-2005 10:19 AM

Yes this is some of the best news the industry has had in a long long time

Xenophage 02-14-2005 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog
and a big Fuck You to Visa


YUP fo sure

Love Brokers 02-14-2005 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hilden/20050131.html

man this is an awesome read !

check out these parts

Precluded from citing any longstanding moral interest, the government in Extreme Associates put forward another putative state interest in an attempt to justify charging the defendants with violations of the criminal obscenity laws: An interest in protecting children, and unconsenting adults, from seeing such material.

But Judge Lancaster did not find this interest convincing. He pointed out that the website already protected children and unconsenting adults by erecting a number of gates: To buy a film, the purchaser had to use a credit card, purchase a membership, and receive and use a password.

And in any event, Judge Lancaster noted, even if the criminal law of obscenity marginally did serve these interests, it was far too blunt an instrument to do so constitutionally. The Supreme Court has made clear that adults should not lose rights to view material just because a "determined minor" can figure out a way to access that material, too.

This second ruling by Judge Lancaster was also very convincing. Especially since civil penalties are an option, and the site does use a credit-card requirement to screen out most minors, it seems grossly excessive for the defendants to face jail sentences of up to five years under the law. When it comes to the First Amendment, especially, the punishment must fit the offense far better than this.

In addition, the Supreme Court has long held that adults cannot, in effect, be sent back to the nursery when it comes to First Amendment rights: Just as a few industrious sixteen-year-olds are doubtless going to sneak pornographic magazines from behind the cash register, so too will they figure out a way to get a credit card and download pornographic films. We may want to take measures to stop them, but such measures should not include treating all adults accessing a give site like sixteen-year-olds, in the fear that a few sixteen-year-olds will masquerade as adults and gain access to the site.

Geeeee............a reasonable evaluation from a fucking judge. Must be one of my clients. :thumbsup

Easton 02-14-2005 09:02 PM

A W E S O M E !!!


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