US fury over EU weapons for China
 

America is waging an intense behind-the-scenes battle to stop the European Union lifting its 15-year-old arms embargo against China, warning Britain that it will not tolerate the prospect of European military technology being used to threaten its soldiers in the Far East.

As Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, prepares to travel to Beijing next week to discuss ending the arms ban, The Telegraph has learnt that the Bush administration is alarmed by Tony Blair's "cave-in" to French and German pressure.

Japan has also expressed dismay over the EU's move dramatically to upgrade relations with Beijing.

The Tories have warned the Government that it is creating a "major breach" with Washington and endangering vital exchanges of military technology between Britain and America.

Mr Straw told the House of Commons this week that the arms embargo, imposed on China after the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre, would "more likely than not" be lifted by June.

The timing seems designed to avoid provoking a public row with President George W Bush before his fence-mending visit to Europe next month - including a stop in London.

It would also spare Britain the embarrassment of the EU lifting the ban during its presidency of the body in the second half of the year.

Mr Straw insists that a revised EU code of conduct on arms exports, coupled with a new "toolbox" of measures to exchange information on weapons sales, means that arms controls on China would remain as tight as under the embargo.

But America is deeply sceptical of such assurances, and well-placed sources are warning that the question of arms sales to China could explode into a new transatlantic row, more bitter even than the dispute over Iraq.

The US sees China as its main long-term rival for global dominance and is worried about possible military conflict over China's declared desire to re-assert control over Taiwan, which America has vowed to defend.

US officials argue that any easing of European arms control exports poses a threat to its soldiers.

But EU officials point out that Israel, one of America's closest allies, sells large amounts of weaponry to China.

American officials have told their British counterparts that even if the Bush administration keeps a measured tone, the response in Congress is likely to be heated.

One likely casualty would be Britain's long-standing attempt to secure a so-called "ITAR waiver" - a special exemption from complex US rules on the export of militarily -sensitive technology.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...ixnewstop.html

let the US pls handle their own problems first

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I guess it's a change from Blair caving in to the Bush administration.

Tony Blair must have a sore ass.

Money talks..................

Good, that'll make the US think twice about policing everyone.

Here comes another big war..

better go and liberate china... or britain... or something

You think the Chinese will have any pity for you once they invade Australia?
Make sure you bookmark all your threads to show them you're one of them.

I won't be holding my breath.

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LOL you think China is going to invade the world? You must be brainwashed :1orglaugh

In less than 5 years they will be more powerful than the US on the economics front.
They've been building up their army, buying weapons left and right from every possible source.
They have the largest armed forces in the world.
Why do you think they are doing that?
To protect their rice fields?
If you think that China is one big benevolent country, then you are badly mistaken :2 cents:

Hehehe...

:1orglaugh

the US with all its might cant even control Iraq and you think China is going to try and invade the world?

:1orglaugh Some people are just too paranoid

Can I have some of what you're smoking?

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this IS funny....

Tsing tao tastes way better than Fosters anyhow so no worries :drinkup

Remember Tien en Mein Square?
The Chinese don't care for human rights and world opinion.
If you think the US is acting badly in Iraq, then you're in for a rude awakening.
Who do you think is pushing and helping North Korea with their nuclear weapon program?
If China had invaded Iraq, there would be no problems with insurgents, because the Chinese do not play by the same rules.
It is ok for people to come here with their conspiracy theory about GWB ordering 9/11, but if someone presents you with a scenario that is higly likely, then you all freak out and call him a dope head.
Before GWB's 2nd term ends, China will invade Taiwain.

Tsing tao is chinese beer? Where you get it? :drinkup

LOL if the Chinese ever decided to invade USA, a few nukes would take care of them. No worries dude :thumbsup

Don't forget, they're invading Australia first. :winkwink:

And don't forget the US used tanks against civilians in Wako texas.......

Who said anything about invading the USA?
They'll take back Taiwan, and then Japan.
You think the USA will risk nuclear armagedon over Taiwan and Japan?

Hadn't tought of that .... :thumbsup

I love Janet Reno :)

I remember seeing video with them using tanks around the compound :disgust

There is a picture in this link

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notoriou...8.html?sect=14


David Koresh
David Koresh, born Vernon Wayne Howell (August 17, 1959 - April 19, 1993) was a leader of the Branch Davidians, an apocalyptic Christian sect.

Koresh joined the in 1981. In 1983, he began a live-in relationship with Lois Roden, the head of the Branch Davidians. The next year, at age 24, Koresh married a 14 year old named Rachel Jones. Lois Roden's son, George Roden, soon forced them out of the Davidian compound at Mt Carmel, on the outskirts of Waco. After a brief stay in Waco, Koresh acquired some land in Palestine, Texas and moved there with his growing band of followers, most of whom had followed him from Mt Carmel. During this period, Koresh took five more teenage brides. In November 1987, Koresh and eight of his followers were arrested for attempted murder after being involved in a nonfatal shootout with George Roden at Mt Carmel. In April 1988, Koresh and his followers were freed. Koresh's case had been declared a mistrial, and his followers had been acquitted. After this, Koresh and his followers, who by now included all of the Branch Davidians, returned to Mt Carmel.

Koresh and 74 others were killed on April 19, 1993, during an FBI assault on the Davidian compound near Waco, Texas, when a fire burned the structure to the ground. However, later forensic evidence of the skeletal remains revealed causes of death ranging from smoke inhalation to bullet wounds to the head.

It is widely believed that this event inspired Timothy_McVeigh to plan and conduct the Oklahoma_City_bombing as a response to what McVeigh viewed as governmental injustice and tyranny.

Koresh has been accused of having sexual relationships with teenagers he termed his wives, and of forcing his followers to give him excessive amounts of money. He also was accused of "stockpiling" automatic weapons and other illegal destructive devices, and of claiming to be a son of God.

Based on verses from Daniel, the Branch Davidians believed that Koresh would someday return to Earth. The date most accepted was based on Daniel 12:12. This date was 1,335 days after his death: December 14, 1996.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh

So, was Clinton the devil too? :)

that is not the same

You have got to be the BIGGEST IDIOT on this board (even worse than 12clicks).

Weren't you the one who was positive about Iraq having WMD and swore that everyone else was wrong ... and also slamming people for talking about Jews in a derogatory manner but then making racist and childish remarks about Muslims.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

There were women and children inside, that's like killing a fly with a shotgun.

"
Three minutes after the initial call, two Combat Engineering Vehicles approached the buildings, punched holes into the fragile walls, and began to spray teargas through nozzles into the compound, propelled by noncombustible carbon dioxide. Nearby were an Abrams tank and nine Bradley vehicles, while choppers flew overhead, taking aerial photos. Everyone was under orders that if children were in any way endangered, the mission was to be aborted.

Abruptly, the Davidians opened fire at the tanks. Yet the teargas injection continued and CS grenades were thrown in through the windows. The walls of the buildings were no match for the tanks, and large holes appeared wherever the tanks were used. Then the vehicles pulled back for an hour to reload and went at it again. The Davidians responded with more gunfire. They also tossed the telephone out the front door, a sign that all negotiations had ceased?although survivors claim that the tanks had broken the phone lines. (At this point, if those who said they were using kerosene lamps were correct, and if the tanks had indeed knocked them over, the fires would already have started and spread. However, it would be several hours before that occurred, putting the claim into some doubt.)"

Do you know how many American companies are already in China?
The US as well as Canada already depends on cheap Chinese imports.

Wow, you're a cool anonymous guy.
You post your shit and don't even have the guts to reveal your true face.
Iraq had WMD's, they are now in Syria.
I don't give a shit if you masturbate to adolf every night before going to sleep.

PROOF? :helpme :helpme :helpme

Chinatown usually ... or China :winkwink:

http://www.tsingtaobeer.com/images/home.jpg

Walmart is the 4th trading partner of China.
Take away China and bye bye Walmart, who happens to be in the top 5 corporations in the entire world.
Chinese corporations are slowly but surely buying up US brand names and property and currency and bonds. The latest and most notable one being IBM computers.
American companies who go to China always fail for very simple reasons.
China does not enforce trademark and copyrights laws.
So, a US companies start producing in China, then a Chinese corporation start making the exact same product and undercut the US corp, then the Chinese corp start flooding the US market with the lowest priced copy.
The US corp not only lose their footing in China, and then lose their market share in the US.

IBM owns 20% of one of chinas largest computer companys.

Do not talk about killing a fly with a shot gun unless you have done it please.

How do you expect proof?
Do you think Assad will let in UN inspectors?
And even if he did, do you expect UN inspectors to be fair?
Insurgents in Iraq have been helped by Syria who has chaneled money and supplies to them.

NCR has a plant in China. Soon China will be making thier own bank machines.

The world's biggest superpower acknowledges that there never were WMD in IRAQ but I guess you must know something they don't.

And maybe I like the way Adolfs mustache looks :upsidedow <---thats my face; : SHIT FOR BRAINS :321GFY

Yup, China OWNS the world economically already NOW, they have no need to invade militarily.

But if they do invade Australia, I will defend Widgiemooltha until my last breath.

http://community.the-underdogs.org/s...med/Tomcat.gif

What ? :arcadefre
http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/050110/323/f9ydx.html

That doesn't happen anymore, they have learned and partner up with big companys in China. This is how they do things now, it's 50/50

You know what I mean, they had the whole place surrounded and tanks were overkill.

Hey bubba, if you knew how to read, you would have understood that the US acknowledged that there were no WMD in Iraq...
But, how can I expect an anon trollhead to be able to understand diplomatic jargon?

Now this cant be good

umm vice versa ain't it???

Lenova bought IBM's PC biz for like $1.75 billion

WTF are you talking about, DIPSHIT... You said that IRAQ HAD WMD and that they moved them to SYRIA... I said that the US admitted that they were never there BEFORE and are NOT THERE NOW.
FUCK I am getting tired trying to explain simple English to you...Go put your fucking aluminum foil on your head ZIPPY.

You'd better tighten that tinfoil hat you're wearing.

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Sorry, but when it comes to economical fairness, China is even more ruthless than the US.
USA Today
By the year 2020, China and India will be vying with the United States for global economic supremacy, the nation's top intelligence analysts predict, and al-Qaeda will have withered away - only to be replaced by smaller, more splintered but equally deadly groups of terrorists.
AFP
China has reshuffled its high-ranking military posts again in a move apparently targeted at operations covering Taiwanese waters, a Hong Kong press report says.
Motley Fool
Auto parts supplier China Automotive Systems (Nasdaq: CAAS) was leading the Nasdaq percentage gainers with a 26% gain this morning.
New York Times
The U.S. secretary of commerce ended his visit to Beijing with the same demand he has brought over the last three years: that China protect copyrights and patents.

Not trying to win a pissing contest with you, but this happens to be one of my area of expertise, with pussy of course :)