Gamma cash terminate my account because of unreasonable reason
 

Dear webmasters,
Hi fellow webmasters, I received this email from Gamma cash regarding they've terminated my account because of this unreasonable reason:
Would you guys please reconsider this case whether I am in the right/wrong position?

>Hello,
>Your advertising account has been >deactivated for the following reason:
>credit card fraud. I have all the proves I >need to declare those 2 transactions
>has credit card fraud. The transactions of >69$ have been reported to Visa
>and the transactions are under >investigation ; you might even be contacted
>regarding those frauds. We do not pay for >fraud whatever you are
>responsible for those or not, and we are >not interested in receiving your
>traffic anymore because of those serious >credit card frauds.

and From my opinion:
If the credit fraud is the case, what are these supposed to do with me?? I am only the webmaster who provide traffics to Gamma's sites. I cannot control all of my customers which is a criminal and which is not. This is out of my control. I don't understand how a Big Company Cannot Handle This kind of situation. No one can control their traffics which has fraud or not. Everybody has traffics with others, you never know you will have a good or bad traffics which can produce credit card fraud. Am I right??

Please help me :<

Joe

Damn Australians. Never did trust them.

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I think Gamma means that you signed up using your own card.

Ask them to send proof. Its too easy for a sponsor to say fraud, when they dont want to pay. If you really did nothing wrong, then ask them to send a copy of their records which shows proof of the fraud.

Wildman.

I was going to vote for the guy with the better command of english but after reading that post, they've both been counted out for not re-entering the ring in time. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

I bet this guy gets all his traffic from Denmark or Russia...

Hahaha...

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Gary, I must say you're an Afghans arse hole!

Now please tell me where do you live ? so I could send you a dildo, for you to screw your self!

Well I must sugest you mail them back to get the prove of:
1. The investigations.

[This message has been edited by Chicken! (edited 10-15-2001).]

[This message has been edited by Chicken! (edited 10-15-2001).]

Please send to
Gary Omar Momar
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Kabul, Afghanistan

Thank you

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So, is anyone going to help out Joe? Other than Wildman's post I don't see a whole lot here that's constructive, and if the problem is as Joe says, this could very well happen to any of us.

Joe -- If I was you, and I really didn't cheat in any way, I'd be on the phone to Gamma so fast your arsehole would pucker. Phone them, email them, contact the hell out of them and straighten this matter out. Unless of course you don't make all that much money from them and you don't really care that much. But I prefer not having a black mark associated with my name in any way, shape or form, so I'd be getting quite agressive about this to get it cleared up.

Gamma is a sponsor, and the deal is that they WANT your traffic. They shouldn't be allowed to come back at you because some of that traffic is criminals. What are we as webmasters supposed to do to screen out criminals? Once my surfer clicks a banner and joins, it's up to the sponsor to deal with them and pay me the agreed amount, period.

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Thanks Smith... I'll appreciate your help.. I think you are the only one who answer my problems... :>

Hi zipE.

LOL no not again, don't tell me it's really him...

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i thought i was zipE

You are, as well as bulldog and others.

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You can contact Gamma and ask for more information on the two fraudulent transactions, making it clear you want to resolve the problem, and continue your business relationship. However Gamme might not want to take the time to monitor your traffic in future, which is probably why they want to simply terminate your account. But, as CD said, you don't want a black mark against your name if you're honest, so at least try to part on good terms.

Thanks for all your help.

The things that it does not make sense for me is because they terminate my click through account. If they were suspecting I'm the one who fraud the credit card, why do they have to terminate my click through account??? and Am I stupid enough to sign up by myself when my account registered under click through account and whoever sign up I won't even get paid.

Thanks for all your help.. anyway

What kind of moron would terminate a click-thru account for credit card fraud?

Still, as long as they pay you till date, they probably reserve the right to terminate your account by their terms. If they don't pay you, then they are sleazebags.

This is the replies from Gamma after I emailed my opinion which I stated above:

Hello,
>like I said, we don't pay for fraud. Those transactions came from your
>traffic, so therefore we have not interest in receiving your traffic
>anymore, since it is associated with credit card frauds and we have no
interest in that. The question that you are >responsible or not for that is
not ours to determine since the investigation is not in our hands anymore.
>We cannot pay for fraud, whatever you are responsible for it or not,
>otherwise that would have no end and we would end up paying for credit card
fraud, which make NO sense.


My opinion:
In conclusion : Gamma will not pay you if there is a credit card fraud from all webmaster traffics. So in another ways it means that even you have a clean traffic and you have collected more than $2000 from gamma, they will terminate your account when they find one of your traffics which is fraud.
I don't think it is a good sponsor then. I don't mind I only lose $100 there. Geez, luckily I haven't collected much myself. :>

"We cannot pay for fraud, whatever you are responsible for it or not,
>otherwise that would have no end and we would end up paying for credit card
fraud,"

Thats Bullshit. I hope Gamma have a better answer than that!
A webmaster collects and forwards the traffic. What, now we have to do a background search on each Surfer?

Anyone from Gammae, please explain!

Wildman.

Wow, if that is accurate, thats a pretty interesting policy. Does that mean if i send 50 signups, and one of them happens to use a stolen credit card to signup, i dont get paid?

Am i reading that wrong?

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I have been using gamma for a couple years at least, with no problem at all

Why don't you phone them? Although your command of english doesn't place you in Australia, in my books http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

But gamma is Quebec, so they will talk to you in english and french

any one from gamma I ever talked to, had better command of english than that, It looks like the email was selectively edited, only you need to have someone who speaks english well, do that, otherwise it looks kind of fake, like it does now http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

well, gamma is a solid company, but imagine if some chinese or russian carder wants some porn?
he got stolen cc and browsing some tgp he founds ur gallery, follows ur link and sign ups with this stolen cc.
then sponsor will block ur account? that's not the right way. sue the person who did fraud, but not the webmaster!

it's like stopping taxi driver license 'cuz someday one killer used his taxi? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/rolleyes.gif

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Gamma has been around longer then i know and are a trust worthy company, I wrote a few articles fro them a while back and was always paid on time, they may have extensive fraud software like CE is my guess and dont have the time to investigate all accounts deeply I bet! Do try to work with them as they will listen to a good story if you have one. just my 11 clicks....

I wonder if anybody from Gammae will post here in reply to this matter, as sponsors usually do... but, no offense, those emails do look phony, resembling more the way YOU write... http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

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Good point, you would think someone from gamma would know english

I too, find it interesting that the email contains the exact same type of grammatical errors as the post.

And the mistakes in the post don't seem to be Aussie type grammar mistakes when I read it either.

But at the end of the day its really up to a sponsor to decide what they will pay on and what they wont.

Just read the terms carefully before sending traffic to a click thru or any other program.

Click thru and pay per join programs are so rife with cheaters they have to make hard decisions every day about things.

Honestly, I'd be VERY surprised if a long-time sponsor such as Gammacash were to hold the referring webmaster responsible for the behavior of surfers. That's just plain stupid, and I don't see the people at Gamma as being "just plain stupid" by any stretch.

As I said earlier, I'd be calling them every day until this matter was resolved. There's no way in hell I can be held responsible for the behaviour of the surfers I refer to a sponsor, no fucking way in hell. To lose hundreds of dollars and my entire account, I'd be royally pissed beyond belief.

I very much doubt Gamma would be this ignorant.

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They do, believe me.

They also screwed me over too !
Plenty of other sponsors out there.

Gamma is very good people - if they delete your account - they know what they are doing.

And it would be better for you to contact them and not bitch here. They are very helpful on their board or via e-mail.

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If you don't believe me, here is the more details of my conversation with gamma from the first till the end : (See from bottom to the top)

Hello,
the problem is that we cannot know from where those frauds are
coming, but one thing is sure, it came along with your traffic. Does that
mean that you did those frauds or that you are responsible for those? No.
But those transactions have a cost for us in time and energy, and therefore
we have to make sure that we deal with as little as fraud as possible, and
one way of doing that is to screen out the traffic that we accept in our
programs.From where does your traffic comes from ?


>I understand if you cannot pay me because of fraud from my traffics,
>but you cannot accuse that it absolutely comes from my traffic.
>Webmasters are trading traffics everyday and it might also be coming
>from another page which are sent to my website and then to yours.
>
>It is very reasonable if you only do not pay my balance, I do not mind
>you only cancel and do not pay me. However, I really feel unsatisfied
>if you terminate my account which is all beyond my control.
>
>Gammacash is a big company, and of course they have to feel and think
>from the webmaster point of views. If you were some of the webmasters
>and for example you have already collect $1000 and suddenly there is
>some of your traffics do fraud to one of your sponsor and then they
>terminate your account because of that. Are you willing to accept
>that?? Please think from the webmasters point of view
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Charles Rousseau [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:42 AM
>To: Lusteens
>Subject: RE: Credit card fraud?
>
>Hello,
>like I said, we don't pay for fraud. Those transactions came from your
>traffic, so therefore we have not interest in receiving your traffic
>anymore, since it is associated with credit card frauds and we have no
>interest in that. The question that you are responsible or not for that
>is not ours to determine since the investigation is not in our hands
>anymore.
>We cannot pay for fraud, whatever you are responsible for it or not,
>otherwise that would have no end and we would end up paying for credit
>card
>fraud, which make NO sense.
>
>
> >Hi Charles,
> >If the credit fraud is the case, what are these supposed to do with
>me??
> >I am only the webmaster who provide site and banners to your site. I
> >cannot control all of my customers which is a criminal and which is
>not.
> >I just don't understand why you are doing this to me? That is out of
> >my control. Don't you understand that??
> >
> >And you said you found out those fraud on my click through account,
> >why did you also terminate my other sign up account? Please advise !!
> >
> >Joseph
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Charles Rousseau [mailto:[email protected]]
> >Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:41 PM
> >To: Lusteens
> >Subject: Re: Credit card fraud?
> >
> >Hello,
> >Don't worry, I have all the proves I need to declare those 2
> >transactions has credit card fraud. The transactions of 69$ have been
> >reported to Visa
> >and the transactions are under investigation ; you might even be
> >contacted
> >regarding those frauds. We do not pay for fraud whatever you are
> >responsible for those or not, and we are not interested in receiving
> >your
> >traffic anymore because of those serious credit card frauds.
> >
> >
> > >Hi Charles,
> > >
> > >What do you mean by this message?? I did not fraud any credit card.
> > >I should report it to bbs.porncity if you don't have any proof.
> > >Please explain!!
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Charles Rousseau [mailto:[email protected]]
> > >Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 6:39 AM
> > >To: [email protected]
> > >Subject: Gamma click-through account 106422
> > >
> > >Hello,
> > >
> > > Your advertising account has been deactivated for the
> >following
> > >reason:
> > >
> > >
> > >credit card fraud
> > > Charles,
> > > for Gamma Entertainment.
> > >
> > >Great clickthrough: Banner Exchange:
> > >http://www.gammacash.com http://www.sexswap.com
> > > http://www.sexswap2.com
> > >
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >Charles Rousseau
> >
> >Visit us at www.gammae.com
>
>Sincerely,
>Charles Rousseau
>
>Visit us at www.gammae.com

Sincerely,
Charles Rousseau

Visit us at www.gammae.com

The thing that does not make sense is they terminate my click through acc because of credit card fraud?????

All I can figure out, is that someone either signed up for a membership using your own personal credit card, or else using stolen credit cards

If you cannot get satisfaction, just change sponsors... ccprocessors and sponsors are scrubbing hard for this kind of thing, if it is even remotely looking like a fraud, they will can you. If it doesn't look like you are winning, spend the time promoting another site

Usually with partnerships and recurring progrmas, this is not a problem, it will just come in as a chargeback, but pay per signs and pay per clicks have no chargeback recourse

I'm not going to start from ground zero on this, but here's what I have to say about it. You may find that it's very similar to what have been already reported but please take the time to read it for those who were waiting for a reply from Gamma :

We cannot know for sure from where those frauds are coming from, and who did them and on what purpose, but one thing is sure, it came along with traffic from your site and from your account. Does that mean that you did those frauds or that you are responsible for those necessarily? No. But those transactions have a cost for us in time and energy, and therefore we have to make sure that we deal with as little frauds as possible, and one way of doing that is to filter out the traffic that we accept in our programs.

It's not the first time we have a discussion regarding your account and you were caught before that not respecting our terms on the click program (using text links). We gave you another chance, and reactivated your account. A few days after that, you got those credit card frauds (2 frauds out of 2 sign ups!). I'm not saying that this is your fault, but after that we are not interested in receiving your traffic anymore. Thanks for your understanding on this matter and I believe that we have already resolved this situation by email in a fair way for both you and Gamma.

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Sincerely,

case closed

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Thanks, I don't mind if you are not interested in my traffic anymore as long as you pay the remaining balance of my account.

Anyway, Thanks for all who helped me here and also thanks for gamma for solving our problems.

Regards,
Joe

yep, gamma has very good team and Charles explained this situation pretty good...
case closed indeed

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Am I missing something here?

No disrespect to Gamma I have used and use them for a long time now and never had a problem, but regardless of who committed the fraud and if it was the clickthrough program, fact remains that if some asshole with a stolen creditcard signs up or rips Gamma off in any way the account of the webmaster that sent it is toast.

This I think is wrong VERY wrong and to me Charles explaination is not satisfactory at all.

Sure there is a cost for Gamma involved but that is also part of THEIR business.

Webmaster supplies the traffic, carries the costs for bandwidth(banners FPA's etc...) and the Sponsor handles the rest.

The "cost" for fraudulent activities by people sent by webmasters is part of the risk and any company that can not handle that should not run an affiliate program I think.

Again this is not to flame or badmouth Gamma as they have always workend very good for me(teens by mail rocks!) but this type of things are just wrong IMHO.

Actualy I am amazed you all were satisfied with the explaination.

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I agree with Wolfshade 100%.

I was thinking there must be more to this situation....but Charles cleared that up for me! Gammae looks dodgy now.

I think I may remove all their links, because I don't want to be left being owed money if cheater signs up from my sites!

Charles, you gotta be kidding right? Please tell me that you have more proof that Asik cheated you?

Wildman.

Yeah, Gamma sux. They terminated my account for making too much money in 1 month.

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Personally I picked up two new tidbits from Charles' post.

1.It's not the first time we have a discussion regarding your account and you were caught before that not respecting our terms on the click program (using text links). We gave you another chance, and reactivated your account.
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Already given a second chance after discussing his traffic. Hmmm, this is the first time I've seen a click thru program be this kind as to even give a second chance.


2."A few days after that, you got those credit card frauds (2 frauds out of 2 sign ups!). "
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100% fraud. 100% is not acceptable to any program owner I know of, regardless of how they are paying out. Nor is 100% acceptable in processing either.

If there's not more to this story then Gary's right, case closed.

We are always trying to make decisions on being fair and in the best interests of all our webmasters and also for ourselves.

It's unusual for us to give someone a second chance after being caught not respecting the terms, but we are willing to work something out depending on the offence. The first account asik28 had was a click through account and he used text links with our banners which is not allowed in the click program. Since the offence was minor, we gave him a second chance on the click program (but we void the previous earnings) and his account was reactivated. But a few days after that came the credit card frauds. Therefore, we didn't take the chance in keeping this account open after the 2 sign ups were made with a fraudulent card.

This was done for the interests of all parties concerned. The less fraud we send to the processing company, the more likely we are to stay in business for a long time!

My opinion!

BTW, a special Hi to "the Fly"! We need to get together for a beer at the next show!

Take care everyone!

Virginie!

ps thanks to bizonline (Abby) that sent me the link to the topic )

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Now we know what criteria 12Clicks bases his decisions :-) It's all coming together now...

Come on guys.. case is closed, as long as the pay for my account, I will not put gamma's link in the future because it is too risky I think.

I am from Asian country who do not speak English well. So I did not understand the terms very well. However, I did ask Charles regarding of the text link that I've already put on my website, and that's why Gamma take a look at my website and then found out and terminate my account before answering my email regarding those terms. and That's why I am asking for a 2nd chance, but unfortunately there was a fraud after 2 days I've given a chance. Maybe it was not a good timing.

Anyway, firstly it was my fault(because of my crap English) and secondly gamma terminate my account because of the fraud and I thought it quite fair for both of us as long as they pay for my account.

Thanks for all your supports guys :>

Man Fraud is everywhere now a days, must be the compeition in the market or the rescesion, i dunno.

Hey Gamma Cash is a great sponsor, we do alot of business, I have nothing but good things to say about Charles and Virginie and the gang at Gamma cash

by the ways guys Gamma Cash is from Canada not Aussie, where did that come from.

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