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piker 12-31-2004 11:47 AM

Has anyone every had there webserver investigated by the FBI?
 
I got an email from my hosting provider that the FBI had a search warrant and confiscated my HD. Just curious if anyone has any experience in this.

Please ICQ me 605104.

Thanks

StuartD 12-31-2004 11:48 AM

Could be time to look for a new line of work.

piker 12-31-2004 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaskedMan
Could be time to look for a new line of work.

For sure, I got about 12 TGP's PR4+ and about 10+ other adult domains that im willing to part with... icq me if you want a good deal on them.

azguy 12-31-2004 11:50 AM

Ouch. I ran a hosting company years ago and one or two of my clients had pretty much the same experience with the FBI. As the hosting provider I had no powers to refuse anything once the warrant was in my hands. If you had anything to hide on the servers - you're fucked. There are no ways around it.

xclusive 12-31-2004 11:50 AM

Your fine as long as everything was on the up and up

Shoehorn! 12-31-2004 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piker
I got an email from my hosting provider that the FBI had a search warrant and confiscated my HD. Just curious if anyone has any experience in this.

Please ICQ me 605104.

Thanks

That can't be good. :helpme

brand0n 12-31-2004 11:52 AM

as opposed to good?

Fuckin Bill 12-31-2004 11:55 AM

No offense meant, I sincerely hope everything turns out ok...

But announcing your under investigation and then saying you want to sell domains is going a bit backwards. I don't think anybody is going to want to touch those if the FBI has any interest in whatever you were doing. I know I wouldn't go near them.

erehwon 12-31-2004 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piker
I got an email from my hosting provider that the FBI had a search warrant and confiscated my HD. Just curious if anyone has any experience in this.

Please ICQ me 605104.

Thanks

I haven't knowingly had any dealings with the FBI, (doesn't mean it hasn't happened :1orglaugh) but I have with a few others. I'm going to ICQ you someone that has lots of experience with this after sending this.

piker 12-31-2004 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fuckin Bill
No offense meant, I sincerely hope everything turns out ok...

But announcing your under investigation and then saying you want to sell domains is going a bit backwards. I don't think anybody is going to want to touch those if the FBI has any interest in whatever you were doing. I know I wouldn't go near them.


Point Taken, it costs me little to nothing to keep the domains, So if I dont get what i want out of them. I'll just keep them till i do.

But,
Thanks

iwantchixx 12-31-2004 12:02 PM

someone must have been doing something illegal :)

Trixie 12-31-2004 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piker
I got an email from my hosting provider that the FBI had a search warrant and confiscated my HD. Just curious if anyone has any experience in this.

Please ICQ me 605104.

Thanks

Sooo . . . . in the meantime does your host use a backup copy or let you upload your sites on another drive or are your sites down for the count while the FBI investigates? I'm curious how that works . . .

azguy 12-31-2004 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trixie
Sooo . . . . in the meantime does your host use a backup copy or let you upload your sites on another drive or are your sites down for the count while the FBI investigates? I'm curious how that works . . .

It depends what the FBI demanded. They might even confiscate any backup media the provider kept and even prevent the host from accessing the data.

piker 12-31-2004 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trixie
Sooo . . . . in the meantime does your host use a backup copy or let you upload your sites on another drive or are your sites down for the count while the FBI investigates? I'm curious how that works . . .


My host, had everything back up the way it was within 8 hours.. I personally took everything down. Seems to me the its not a good hobby anymore.

brand0n 12-31-2004 12:19 PM

what were you doing

Trixie 12-31-2004 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azguy
It depends what the FBI demanded. They might even confiscate any backup media the provider kept and even prevent the host from accessing the data.

That's insane. I hope they had a "good" reason for it.

Thomas Jefferson 12-31-2004 12:22 PM

After you spent so much time arguing for Bush, I thought he was your friend?

Looks like you got exactly what you asked for!

Magg 12-31-2004 12:23 PM

they dont need to tell you a reason, trust me

piker 12-31-2004 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brand0n
what were you doing

TGP's mainly, plus hosting to various other people...

piker 12-31-2004 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Jefferson
After you spent so much time arguing for Bush, I thought he was your friend?

Looks like you got exactly what you asked for!

LOL, yes i blame Bush for this.. its all his fault.. just like everything else that didnt go my way in life.

Thomas Jefferson 12-31-2004 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piker
LOL, yes i blame Bush for this.. its all his fault.. just like everything else that didnt go my way in life.

You think the FBI would have targeted your server if the "War On Porn" was not part of his second term agenda?

Wake up buddy, your just the first in a long line to follow. :winkwink:

s9ann0 12-31-2004 12:32 PM

yer I have had this apparently they tried to take a free hosting server away but they couldn't because I am from the UK I think it was an investigation into an ebay phisher who was using my freehost for scams

nofx 12-31-2004 12:34 PM

what/why did they have a warrent for exactly ?

Poland 12-31-2004 12:35 PM

why would the FBI target some tgp owner if he was doing nothing illegal? i think somethings being kept in the shadows here :2 cents:

brand0n 12-31-2004 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piker
TGP's mainly, plus hosting to various other people...

ok, now what were you doing that the fbi might be wanting to talk to you?

SuckOnThis 12-31-2004 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azguy
Ouch. I ran a hosting company years ago and one or two of my clients had pretty much the same experience with the FBI. As the hosting provider I had no powers to refuse anything once the warrant was in my hands. If you had anything to hide on the servers - you're fucked. There are no ways around it.


Wasnt Weinbar was it?

s9ann0 12-31-2004 12:40 PM

man the FBI are stupid IMHO they tried to take my whole site: freewebsites.com freehost server away to get details on one phisher they never contacted me I would have given them whatever they wanted of course

I think they are under pressure to crack down on "cyber crime" so they are doing shit like this

arg 12-31-2004 01:29 PM

They needed some reason, in order to get the warrant. It could certainly be an erroneous reason, like thinking Tawnee Stone was a minor or something, but they're looking for something. The paperwork the agents have to do for this is considerable, the computer forensics labs are always backlogged, and nobody likes working on dead-end cases, so they don't sieze computers frivolously.

It sounds to me like you're not worried about what they'll find on the server, and if you've done nothing wrong, you're in good shape. Even if you are innocent though, I would still suggest preparing seriously for visit.

Personally I'd retain an attorney, and have them contact the ISP and agents to see what can be learned. But even if you don't do that, at least do some housecleaning: get rid of anything you may have that's of questionable/dubious legality, including questionable/illegal firearms, unusual ammo, drugs (including old prescription drugs that might have belonged to an ex roommate or something), periphernalia (roach clips, rolling paper), old disks or data that could be problematic (including purchased content from defunct/shaky sources), or anything else you can think of. Do the same for vehicles, an outside office if you have one, your garage, etc.

Copy important data from your computer (phone numbers, passwords, tax info, etc.) and give it to a friend, and expect that you may never get the data back if they have a warrant to sieze your computer. They may take your storage media and peripherals too.

Mentally prepare for the visit too. They'll probably wake you up at 6am with the loudest knock you've ever heard. You're going to be disoriented, and they'll be very intimidating, so your adrenaline will impair your judgement. Plan ahead so you don't have to think as much as on the spot. If they don't have a search warrant, don't let them in, regardless of their persuasive talk ("well we can do it the easy way or the hard way," or "we can talk to you here or down at the station," etc.)...if they didn't get a warrant already, there's a reason. They may have a warrant as a backup, hoping that you'll volunteer to a house search, which could broaden the scope of what they can use. The only question you should answer is to confirm your name/identity. If they "just want to ask a few questions," refer them to your attorney, or if you don't have one, just stick to the line "if you don't have warrant, leave your card and I'll have my attorney contact you." Even if they have a search warrant, don't answer questions - just let them search. Ignore the nice agent just trying to strike up a friendly conversation.

In the unlikely event they have an arrest warrant, then REALLY don't answer questions, not until you have an attorney present, no matter what the agents say. If they visit late Friday afternoon, they may be choosing the timing to arrest you in a way to make you spend more time in jail before you can be arraigned or post bond (courts are closed, everything slows down on weekends, etc.)...they can use this to try and persuade you to talk sooner. Again, do NOT talk without an attorney present, just deal with it.

If you have a roommate or girlfriend or whatever who might have anything illegal where you live, or in a vehicle on your property, tell them what's going on now.

arg 12-31-2004 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piker
TGP's mainly, plus hosting to various other people...

Uh oh. Hosting to various other people? If you haven't already, I'd start scouring through the backup files of those other people to see what the feds are going to see.

Screaming 12-31-2004 01:33 PM

get a lawyer and be prepared for whatever can be handed to you, even if you havent dont anything wrong


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