GammaCash doesn't like to pay.....
 

Okay.... I don't complain alot.... but sometimes I have to bitch. Below is a hilarious e-mail exchange I had today. Please know.... 1. I tried to deal with the Sponsor directly as I always do.... and 2. I was respectful.... enjoy the reading, and now is the time for your sig placement. :1orglaugh


From GammaCash -
Hello,
I've been monitoring your site recently, but the traffic you send us does not generate enough sales, and we can't afford to purchase your traffic by click anymore. We have transferred your click through account to our sign up program. Starting on December 28th at 0:00 EST, you will no longer be paid for the traffic itself, but you will be paid 25$ flat per sign up generated by your traffic. For more information about our sign up program and for all details, please go at http://www.gammacash.com/terms.html
You keep the same advertiser's account number, so you do NOT have to change your links on your pages; the only thing that has changed is your pay out which is now 25$/signup. Also, you ARE getting paid the money you made in the click program; please look at the unpaid balance to know the amount.
Please note that in the sign up program, you are allowed to send us traffic anyway you want, with or without our banners: you can
send blind hits, link thumbnails, use pop ups, etc. as long as we don't get any complaints about your advertising. However, we don't
accept child pornography or password sites. For more details, please read the terms at
http://www.gammacash.com/terms.html.
If you have questions regarding the transfer to the sign up program , please don't hesitate and reply to this message
Sincerely,
Charles



From the Bling Daddy -
Charles,
You can't afford to pay me $37 for the nearly 1000 hits I've been sending and continue? That's funny ass shit. Why even have a click through program? In a click through program the responsibility to sell rests with you instead of the webmaster. Otherwise I would have indeed signed up for the PPS sale program initially. Hit me back within 24 hours cause you'll see this message again at "Go Fuck Yourself" and several other AWM boards.
The Bling Daddy

From Gamma Cash -
BlingDaddy,
did you even took the time to read the email you got?
Obviously not.
If you had read it, here's what you would have see : "Also, you ARE getting paid the money you made in the click program; please look at the unpaid balance to know the amount"
So please next time before sending me your threats and deadlines, you should at least make sure that you are right on what you say because this is not the case. I took the time to send you an email; please read it!


From The Bling Daddy -
Charles,

I read your entire form letter "E-mail". What it says is that Gamma doesn't run a true click through program. What is says is that if a webmaster signs up on the click through program and Gamma deems that it's not happy with the conversions it's buying on a PPC program they just switch the shit to PPS. I'm not trifled over $37.00 anyway LMAO.

Answer me this Mr. Charles as you did not.... Why even have a click through program, and secondly at what point does Gamma deem that a PPC sponsor get's moved into the program you want them in anyway? P.S. I didn't "threaten" jack. What I did say is that I would confer with other webmasters in regards to your program.


From Gamma Cash -

To answer your question, we have accounts that are on the click program, and are able to stay in that program. So what's the use of a ppc program? It's for those accounts of course!

What would you suggest? Keep an account on the click program that does not generate any sales?
Would you do that? No one will pay more for traffic than he makes money of it.
Every one gets a chance to be on the click program, and they get paid for the hits they send even if they get switched which is only fair.
I would understand if we just wipe out the click earnings like 95% of programs do and then recalculate the past earnings on a sign up basis, but no we don't do that.
You might no like having your account switch and I understand that, but I believe that it's still fair to do it when you get paid for the hits you have sent.


From The Bling Daddy -

Charles,
Thanks for clarifying. Here's what I get from you. I find it hilarious that Gamma owes me less than $40.00 and has already made the determination that my account should be moved to PPS instead of PPC. I've sent GC less than 1000 hits so far. What do you do when a webmaster hits you with 10,000? By the way all the traffic I've sent is clicked and banner traffic.

The whole point of a PPC program is that YOU not the webmaster assumes liability for conversion ratios. In your estimation I guess all PPC stats should convert at less than 1:625 (IE your $25 per signup). How do you know if I sent you another 1000 hits on PPC there wouldn't be 3 signups? If that was the case I would have earned less than $60 on PPC traffic when I would have earned $75 on a PPS system! In any case by running a PPC system that's your issue not the webmasters.

"What would you suggest? Keep an account on the click program that does not generate any sales?" - If your going to base payments on sales don't run a PPC program. PPC stands for "pay per click" not pay per sales.

"Would you do that? No one will pay more for traffic than he makes money of it." - I hardly consider 1000 clicks "money making traffic". I spend that in a day.

"You might no like having your account switch and I understand that, but I believe that it's still fair to do it when you get paid for the hits you have sent." - I don't personally care about you switching my account. I haven't even earned $50 dollars with you. What do I care? I just think it's silly for a program to advertise a PPC program and bail because they're "not getting enough sales". If you're not, move all your accounts to PPS and don't tout a Pay Per Click program.

I'll continue to promote GC on the "$25 PPS" (which is slim compared to many of my other programs) but if a site hits less than 1:1000 I drop it, which at this point I have every reason to believe that's probably the case. It'll also be posted at www.themasturbationstation.com/webmasters.html Thanks!









Talk amongs yourselves!

Sponsors...... be sure to watch www.themasturbationstation.com/webmasters.html




Kindest Regards

If your sending even half ass traffic your better off per signup anyways..

I started out with them and i got the same email , the funny thing was is if i had been on "per signup" i would have made more money , so it was a blessing in disguise..

They are french so keep that in mind.. At least they are working with you on it..

what do you mean they don't like to pay, it clearly states that they will pay you for your traffic

Smokey.... gotcha sir.... that explains alot. I will do.... I'm not hacked at being switched to PPS.... hey that's fine.... but seriously don't run a PPC program if it's not. It's clearly not. It's PPC until they want it to not be. If I had 3 S/U per thousand can I just make the decision to go to PPS? NO!

You're not thinking..... They DON"T LIKE TO PAY. Don't words like "we can't afford to pay you" and "No one will pay more for traffic" make you uneasy? I've got sponsors that pay me that 100 times a day. I sent this program 1000 hits only over 2 weeks on purpose....

There are many other reasons they switched you too, perhaps they noticed a large percentage of foreign traffic and assumed you were filtering the traffic beforehand. This can happen even when its beyond your control.. i.e. your listed on foreign search engines and what not.. bad tgp trades etc

It also clearly states that they are done paying for traffic..... and are jamming to a PPS program at their leisure.

if you feel they are dicking you over, don't use them.. you are still getting paid for the traffic you sent so you didn't lose much

Anyways , they do pay and i can attest as they have paid me thousands of dollars this year..

If your worried about conversions send them to one of the email boxes they have, i guarantee you will make twice the money , as the ppc program at gamma counts second page hits, and you could do better on an email program.

Negative sir..... I keep an eye on all that. My traffic is almost 100% clicked. It is also 95% us/english.

You're not getting it...... they switched.... because I sent $37.00 of traffic at 0.04 per click. That's a seriously small segment of traffic. I have sponsors I send 1000 a day to. GC didn't get a signup, so they decide that it's PPS for you. F THAT! Either be PPS or not..... that's what I'm saying.

well dude i dont know but all i can say is that if i was paying for traffic that wasnt making sales i wouldnt pay for it anymore

Smokey.... remember I'm not bashing GC. I'm sure they're cool. What I'm saying is - DO NOT RUN A PPC PROGRAM IF IT"S NOT - Which it isn't. It's a PPCTWDIN "Pay Per Click until we decide it's not" program. That's all.

I felt a bit offended when they did it to me as well , but as i said , i made instantly more money so it was there own loss.. and i had already sent them a few months of ppc traffic. Overall i was pretty close to the same on ppc as pps

..and what did gammacash do that's wrong?

Your right about that , its the second one you mentioned, ( and it's clearly mentioned in the rules , as is every other ppc program out there )

Mcdonalds KNOWS everyone wants a napkin and a straw and shit , yet they dont give them to you anymore unless you ask for them..

Life sucks , a better thread title would have been..

DONT USE GAMMACASH PPC PROGRAM
and here's why..

etc etc etc etc

The thread title you chose makes your post have less value as webmasters know gammacash pays..

I'm sorry but I don't see anything horrible about that. Maybe I am just seeing the sponsor end of things...but I do see how even PPC has to be productive enough for them to cover their costs.
Yes, they have to convert it, but if your traffic just isn't converting it is unwise for them to continue to pay you when your traffic isn't generating a lot of income.

Try to compare it to google. Say you ran google ads and you kept paying google, but never made any sign-ups. Would you not evaluate your decision to continue paying Google for non-productive traffic, and perhaps discontinue?

"GammaCash doesn't like to pay....."

?

I've had like $2.40 in my account there for the last 4 years.. lol their minimum payout is $5 and that was from when I did not promote them any more..

Screaming,
I agree too! Here's the point.....

I sent less than 1000 hits. $37.00 worth. Silly.

It's not like I sent 10,000 hits and demanded $400.00 with no sales in. We're all here to make $$. I just find it so freaking funny that a company jacks a webmaster into a new program after seeing a loss of $37.00 which won't even be paid unless I hit $50.00 when another unnamed program I promote heavily pays me $100.00 per signup daily.....

Media.... we can combine our $2.40 and our $37.00 and have a marginal lunch. See you there.
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The reason there's a ........ in the header is because they obviously don't like to pay PPC. If you sign up.... sign up for PPS or revshare.

Seems they are beeing more then fair to me hey they could have done an ARS on you and taken down every niche site you promote and give you a week to lose the links or change them after years of working with them

Gamacash has always paid me with no problems been with them since 1997 and never had a problem, they are paying you your back traffic and notifing you about any traffic you send in the future will be paid per signup which if your traffic is not converting I would say is also very fair and it is in there TOS

just my :2 cents:

I get your point BlingDaddy, and totally agree. Thanx for sharing! Nice thread

BlingDaddy. I have been in this industry for 6 years, and companies have been doing that for 6 + years.

I mean really think about it. At least they switched you to another program where you can continue to make money. Or they could have just closed the account. If they are not making money from traffic, then why on earth would they keep paying you for it?

That would not make sense.

Honestly, 1000 hits is no measure of the traffic. I send 10k hits to a sponsor before I see a single signup sometimes. Over more traffic, the conversions level off to a normal level. To switch at 1000 seems silly to me on their part, but it IS their program and that is their perogative. Adult programs are generous to begin with. be happy you're not making 10% (as in mainstream) and getting $25pps or 50% revshare I say.

Miguel..... Thanks..... I know what you're saying and I think that GC is perfectly credible in paying back traffic. What I argue is that "traffic not converting" is HARDLY able to be estimated on less than 1k of traffic. Maybe 5k. That's all I'm saying. As you can see above I even stated I will promote GC under PPS. I just think it's gay to move a PPC to PPS after less than 1k in traffic.

Brad - That's ALL I was getting at. and it IS their program so they can do what they like. I've had programs I sent 5000k to and didn't get jack and then had 3 sign ups after 400. Perhaps....... they should state..... And not in some small writing on a non-descript TOS page. "IF YOU SEND 5000 HITS AND THERE ARE NO S/U YOU WILL BE MOVED TO PPS"....

Or something?

I like your domain..I was looking for something like that a few months back when I won a domain name. I wound up with jackoffjunction.com, but it still hasn't been transferred to me yet.

Chase.... jackoffjunction is very cool. Make some dough with it!
Bling Daddy
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it's there business they can do what they want and they dont want your hitbot traffic i guess.

Fuck off. I don't use hitbots... If I did I would have sent 20,000 not 1,000 moron.

I'll hit you up when I get it settled...maybe we can trade traffic...not that I have much right now, lol

This shit is the industry standard. Don't expect to give shit traffic and make a bunch of money off it. :2 cents:

Chase.... it's cool. I have trades of all sizes from 1 a day and higher. As long as they're good trades.

Bling.

That's where you're wrong. I don't use "shit traffic" If you read above.... it's ALL CLICKED FUCKING TRAFFIC either text or banner. NO BLIND LIKNKS NO 404, NO POP up. etc. I don't expect to make "a bunch of money" off of traffic. Do you consider $37.00 a bunch of money? LMAO

They've been doing that for years.

They'll also move you from the pay per sign up to the partnership program if your trial to monthly converts are too low.
That pisses alot of people off but it makes you think they're definitely not shaving.
They could just shave your clicks or sales so you'd think you were in a better program....but they're honest with you about the quality of your traffic.

:2 cents:

good point. Unless you are dealing with a PPC SE, getting paid by click is like looking for troubles.

Lenny.... I somewhat see what you're saying. This is the problem we now have as webmasters.

"
They could just shave your clicks or sales so you'd think you were in a better program...."

That says it all.............
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

you cant expect a program to keep paying per click if its not generating revenue, everybody has the same rules.. the same thing has happened to me on several programs including gamma. no big deal, i understand they need to make their profit and if my traffic isnt making them money, i deserve to get switched to pps.

Soul.... I have quickly learned my lesson....... LMAO :1orglaugh

BTW I'm REALLY F'in happy with my ratios at DieselCash. Let them know.

BlingDaddy

I agree sir.... we're all here to make a profit...... don't you think like 800 clicks is a little premature? LMAO.... I send that to a a single site! Let alone a whole program.

From Gammas own website:

Do you have a specific ratio or conversion rate that I must keep in order to stay in the click-through program?

Gammas been around for ever and never ripped anyone. Your thread title suggests otherwise. Its their money - they can buy your traffic as long as they wish and stop buying it any time they like.

Captain..... thanks for pointing that out. It is their money. And I too have a choice as to where MY MONEY and my hard earned traffic goes. Too many people side with sponsors.... without webmasters nothing would happen.

Let it be advised to all that the conversion ratio GC is looking for to continue PPC is less than 1:700 see sig for real time stats.

bah, too much reading :(

hahahahaha... :1orglaugh

PS I never accused them of ripping anyone off..... They even said they would still pay me the whole whopping $37.00 of traffic. WHOO HOO! I can pay my bandwidth for a day! YAAAAA!

What's cheap as fuck is running a PPC program and pulling it when an affiliate doesn't convert shit to what they deem a PPS ratio.

:2 cents:

It's alot to digest..... but sig placement is recommended. LMAO :1orglaugh

This is worthy of a thread? I'd hate to see what happens with this guy and he promoted Adult friend finder when they pull their patented "your traffic sucks so we're switching you to PPS, you now OWE us $xxxx.xx" trick.

And you payed? LMAO!!! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I did good with them back in the day, but havent promoted them in a few months.