So why is it accepted that dating sites shave?
 

"We don't pay for foreign traffic"

Ok lets see what happens.

Guy from Holland signs up for a free membership at datingsite X. Affiliate does not get credit because it's a foreigner. (although you can bet on it that datingsite X WILL use the email to spam....) So the Dutch guy browses around on the site and sees a hot chick. The Dutch guy pulls his cc and pays for a membership. You dont see a penny. So now datingsite X has a free email and got paid without having to share.

A few weeks ago a dating site told me im sending quite some foreign traffic and i wont get credit for that. At that point i had no clue they simply let the guys in and throw a huge "click here to pay for a full membership" text in their face.

I honestly think i lost a few 1000's in payouts this way.

This is simply shaving. I can't find another term for it. I think its insane. Oh wait, maybe stealing is another good term to use.

It'ds the nature of the business unfortunately. I'd send the traffic elsewheres if it's that bad.

perhaps so they can afford high payouts.

i cant fucking believe people pay for dating sites. i need to start one. geez.

Yup, and youre allowed to shave the fuck out of your affiliates...

No reason why but apperantly its normal if you run a dating site.

battuss lets start a new dating site wiht private affili program with no shaving

There are so many nulled dating scripts floating around... It's crazy.

Sure, hold on, im gonna create 200k profiles with pics tonight. Can you do another 100k or so?

what do you do anyway battuss i rememebr talking to you on icq before .. . i think?

How man guys from holland join an english speaking dating site looking for hot singles in New York? I can afford that percent of shave.

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who cares if you can afford it. they are holding out on money you are making for them. :NopeNope

I would shave you too if I had a dating site :batman

I jerk off all day. Probably also when i was talking to you.

i can do that too and still make money it gets boring though :-/

I dont know any numbers but 1 uncredited sale is already too much.
I also like to hear what theyre doing with the emails of those people.

I mean, they dont pay for it because theyre foreign but for some reason i find it highly unlikely they dont use the mails.

Double shave. No pay out for the emails and no payout when a foreigner decides to sign up.

I can't speak for anyone else, but at AFF we pay you for your traffic wherever it comes from. In fact, it's a point of pride for us that we can monetize even the lowest quality foreign traffic -- from places like India, Brazil and Eastern Europe. Anyone who needs a home for their "undesirable" foreign dating traffic, talk to me.


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Give LoveDollars.com a try, I believe they accept all traffic.

Dude... most programs don't pay on foreign hits, not just dating programs and they usually say it clearly enough in their terms and conditions.

If it says so in the terms and you continue to send foreign traffic, you're not getting shaved. You're just not filtering properly.

aff? i need to try sending some traffic there...

You are complaining about a non issue. It is not illegal if they tell you. It is such a small percent of traffic that has your undies in a bunch I would not worry about it. Do they pay you well for your traffic. That is the question you need to answer.

speaking of cheating members/affiliates out of thier money

Btw, get a free membership at any dating site and you will notice they list tons of countries to search for singles, basically any country. Now why the fuck would they do that if they dont want foreign traffic?

Looks like they really like foreign traffic. They seem to spend time and energy on it. I really wonder why if its too "worthless" to pay for it.

I think we're talking about big numbers.

so what sponsor is it you are complaining about? :)

Why would i fucking filter? If they dont like foreign traffic they shouldnt take it, yet they take it, they love it, they convert it, they just dont pay out on it.

Tell me why? Other then simply being a thief. Give me one good reason why a dude from Brazil who I fucking sent signs up and i dont get credit. Give me 1 good reason.

Yes they pay out well now i know why, because they steal it right back from me....and most likely more than im getting paid.

That the truth :thumbsup

Hit me up.

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Dude, straight up, you have nothing to bitch about. I'm sure whatever program you're complaining about clearly states in their terms and conditions that they don't pay for foreign joins.

I'm sure, being a good webmaster and having at least half a brain, that you read the terms and conditions in their entirety before signing up and checking the box agreeing to the terms, right?

They don't have to give you a reason. If they say they won't pay on foreign traffic and you continue to send foreign traffic, it's your problem, not theirs. It's therefore your responsibility to filter it, not theirs.

"Ring"


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Yes im a moron for thinking they wouldnt even let these people sign up. I knew they didnt pay on foreign traffic. I didnt know theyre actually cashing in those people since they dont have to share it with the affiliate. Not using my foreign traffic i totally understand...if its worthless for you. USING my foreign traffic and keeping all the profit from my traffic is plain and simple thievery.

Personally, I send a shit load of traffic to AAC. They only pay on US joins. So I only send them US traffic. And I capitalize on the other traffic in other ways.

I also send a lot to WEGCash. They don't pay on joins from a ton of foreign countries, so I don't send them traffic from those countries.

In both cases, these conditions were clearly laid out in the terms and conditions that I read and agreed to before signing up for the program and sending traffic.

Simple, no?

It doesnt show up...
try to add me.

Whats your icq, i'll add you.

Yes im a moron for thinking they wouldnt even let these people sign up. I knew they didnt pay on foreign traffic. I didnt know theyre actually cashing in those people since they dont have to share it with the affiliate. Not using my foreign traffic i totally understand...if its worthless for you. USING my foreign traffic and keeping all the profit from my traffic is plain and simple thievery.

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A better line in the terms would be:
"we dont payout on your foreign traffic yet we covnert it and keep the profit in our own pockets"

"ps: we also mail the fuck out of them for datingsites who accept foreign traffic"

"pps: haha loser, we're stealing 1000's from you and we can because our terms so say so and people like spyko4652 defend us cause he likes it when people steal"

Haha... dude, what aren't you understanding? It's not theivery. The terms clearly say they won't pay you for it. What do you expect them to do? Redirect it all to a blank page saying "sorry" in 200 languages?

If you know you're not getting paid on those hits from Uzbekistan, why not send them somewhere else? Why send them to a program that you know won't pay for them, regardless of what they do with it?

Seems to me like you should be pissed at yourself for not attempting to capitalize on every single hit you have.

Give me 1 reason why they shouldnt pay out on a brazilian dude who paid 40 bucks for his membership. Give me one good reason.

Are you retarded, dude?

No one is stealing or cheating of shaving. You're only cheating yourself by throwing your traffic at a program that clearly tells you they're not gonna pay you for it.

You say you've allegedly lost thousands, yet you don't know the first thing about capitalizing on your traffic and you seem to know very little about the in and outs of how affiliate programs work. Something is not adding up.

Give me 1 reason why they shouldnt pay out on a brazilian dude who paid 40 bucks for his membership. Give me one good reason.

Because their terms and conditions say they won't. They don't need any other reason.

If you continue to send them Brazilian traffic, that's your problem, not theirs.

Pure and simple: THEY TOLD YOU THEY WON'T PAY YOU FOR IT. WHY ARE YOU STILL SENDING IT TO THEM?

You remind me of a guy who was posting here a few months ago insisting on being paid for traffic he sent to a program after the program had explicitly cancelled his account and told him to stop sending traffic.

I already told you why i sent them traffic, because i was naive and couldnt believe they simply would steal from me. Looks like youre familiar with stealing and find it normal. And no i wont send them 1 more hit

Merry Christmas to you! :thumbsup

i don't understand why people pay for dating sites. there are more free ones than paid ones yet the paid ones seem more popular , due to marketing of course, but none the less, the free ones are usually better and have less fake profiles.

Heh heh, Merry Christmas. :xmas-smil

Dude, I'd completely understand your rant if the terms and conditions never mentioned anything about not paying you for foreign traffic or if they said they'd redirect to a dialer and you pay you half but didn't do that.

But I'm sure the terms clearly state they won't pay you for the foreign traffic. The fact that you made an assumption about what they would do with the foreign traffic is your problem, and yours alone.

If the terms tell you not to send foreign traffic and you send it regardless, it's of no consequence what they do with the traffic. If they tell you not to send it, there's no need to tell you what they'll do with it if you do send it, because they told you not to.

Sound like you need to geo sort your traffic.

Fuck shavers :boid may they go to hell and may wild dogs fuck thier mother in front of them for eternity.

Whatever dude. Clearly, you're the one at fault. You just admitted you were naive. That makes it your problem and no one else's. No one is stealing from you.

If you really think they are and you truly belive you've lost thousands of dollars that you're entitled to, why not seek the advice of a lawyer? Surely you know you're right, so it'll be an open and shut case and you'll get those thousands of dollars entitled to you, right?

If you're gonna whine about it, do something about it. If you're not gonna do anything about it, you have no right to whine about it either.

And stop with your retarded allegations about me being a theif. I'm simply using logic and I have a solid understanding of the English language.

When I join a program and they tell me they're not paying me on foreign traffic, I don't send them foreign traffic. It's as simple as that.

Anyway, you think this is good business ethics? You should fuckign be on my side and not on theirs. Terms or not, they simply found a fucked up way to scam affiliates and pretend theyre very generous with their payouts while in the same time theyre stealing it right back from you. Legally i cant do shit because of their terms, indeed.

psyko514 makes some good points BUT what Batuss is trying to say is that why the hell should a company be allowed NOT to pay you for traffic that THEY WILL make money on? I don't care if they state that they don't pay for foreign traffic in their TOS. Not paying out for something THEY make money from is the same as stealing.

If they didn't make a single cent from the foreign traffic then it would make sense that they not pay you for it. If they will actually make money from that type of traffic then it would be fair to give a cut to the affiliate who sent it to you. Saying whatever in their TOS does not mean "We can make all the money and only pay you out for what we want at any given time"

Of course, if it was me I would stop sending traffic to them if a lot of my traffic was foreign. No point letting them cash in on YOUR work.