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NoCarrier 12-24-2004 09:05 PM

Christmas Question of the year : What kills you in an explosion?
 
Example, you are close to a house exploding. What can kill you? The flying "debris" ? Is there a change in the pressure surrouding you during the explosion that isn't very healthy for your internal organs? What is it exactly?

:xmas-smil

KRL 12-24-2004 09:06 PM

Pressure can be lethal because it forces massive amounts of air against you. Debris obviously kills.

2HousePlague 12-24-2004 09:07 PM

Any of the above...

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n...explosion2.jpg


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Harmon 12-24-2004 09:08 PM

It's the flames yo :2 cents: :conehead :firehair

baddog 12-24-2004 09:10 PM

Pretty much depends on the explosion, and your proximity to it.

StuartD 12-24-2004 09:10 PM

Air pressure could do it, debris could do it, the flames could do it, and finally... the vacuum caused after the explosion and air races back to the point of origin.

NoCarrier 12-24-2004 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL
Pressure can be lethal because it forces massive amounts of air against you. Debris obviously kills.

Thanks! So basically, the pressure is the main killer? The massive amounts of air against you would be like a car hitting you?

We were watching a movie tonight (Yeah, a nice Christmas movie) and we were wondering. :cool-smil

dozey 12-24-2004 09:17 PM

Not just the pressure? How do you like your chances with a piece of metal petruding from your stomach? / or other body part

mikesouth 12-24-2004 09:27 PM

It takes massive amounts of pressure to kill you...more likely its the flying debris


of course not all explosions are the same a stick of TNT its the debris (if you die at all)

a small nuclear explosion its the radiation/heat

arg 12-24-2004 09:35 PM

My guess: debris kills more people than the pressure. Bomb squads use shields and barriers for protection against debris, but the shields wouldn't protect against the pressure of a blast, so presumably they might survive the pressure. (Not that they always survive when a bomb detonates).

Also, most people-killing bombmakers seem to use shrapnel in the bombs, even in WWII hand grenades. When you read of injuries from US bombings, often mention shrapnel wounds, so I assume we're still using shrapnel. Modern suicide bombers often pack little pieces of metal in their bombs, and I would presume they know what they're doing. Maybe the pressure could kill too, but I'm guessing the shrapnel is more important, at least for wider radii.

Concussion grenades, which US police use to disorient people in house raids and such, minimize debris, although perhaps they also limit the explosive force to reduce casualties.

Corollary question: I wonder if pressure is more lethal underwater. I know fish are mangled by pressure from underwater bombs, but I think that's due to fragile air bladder anatomy. Would divers as vulnerable to pressure-only attacks?

booker 12-24-2004 09:50 PM

You've asked at the right time. I'm an engineer and deal with explosives.

If it's a bare explosive, there's a phenomenon called "Blast Overpressure," which is a pressure wave in air many times stronger (intensity, velocity, etc) than just noise. Depending on the intensity, it can blow out your ears, collapse your lungs and do other things to kill you. The kill mechanism isn't the air hitting you, it is that the energy is transferred directly through your body (the wave keeps going, only a small portion of it is reflected).

If it's a weapon, like a bomb or some other device that fragments, then the fragments will reach you before the pressure wave. Obviously, hot razor-sharp pieces of metal travelling many times the speed of sound will kill you.

If you are outside a building and the blast is contained until the structure breaks, then it could be either pressure or fragments.

If you are inside a building, it depends on the weapon. Some are intended to kill people from the pressure generated, some are intended to break up the structure and use the building's debris as the kill mechanism.

In terms of the heat, the heat from a high-energy explosion is very high, but short-lived, especially if vented to the atmosphere. It'll burn, char and mangle, but unless you are fairly close, the heat isn't a major issue.

The "concussion" grenades that are often used in urban warfare produce a pressure wave to incapacitate, and lots of noise/light. The noise and light are at a level that causes an information overload, leaving the victim unable to really act or respond.

Underwater... pressure waves from explosions are very strong, and there's some addition effects underwater that make it particularily violent. Divers would be affected.

Nuclear explosions are another beast. There's incredibly intense heat, and an enormous series of shock and pressure waves.

The "vacuum" created as air rushes back to fill the void, is called rarifaction. Not a kill mechanism.

azguy 12-24-2004 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoCarrier
Example, you are close to a house exploding. What can kill you? The flying "debris" ? Is there a change in the pressure surrouding you during the explosion that isn't very healthy for your internal organs? What is it exactly?

:xmas-smil

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Spunky 12-24-2004 09:52 PM

Lack of oxygen

iwantchixx 12-24-2004 09:54 PM

the shockwave can really mess up your organs.

azguy 12-24-2004 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoCarrier
Example, you are close to a house exploding. What can kill you? The flying "debris" ? Is there a change in the pressure surrouding you during the explosion that isn't very healthy for your internal organs? What is it exactly?

:xmas-smil

Whatever it is - don't do it :) CSI will get you...

woj 12-24-2004 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booker
You've asked at the right time. I'm an engineer and deal with explosives.

If it's a bare explosive, there's a phenomenon called "Blast Overpressure," which is a pressure wave in air many times stronger (intensity, velocity, etc) than just noise. Depending on the intensity, it can blow out your ears, collapse your lungs and do other things to kill you. The kill mechanism isn't the air hitting you, it is that the energy is transferred directly through your body (the wave keeps going, only a small portion of it is reflected).

If it's a weapon, like a bomb or some other device that fragments, then the fragments will reach you before the pressure wave. Obviously, hot razor-sharp pieces of metal travelling many times the speed of sound will kill you.

If you are outside a building and the blast is contained until the structure breaks, then it could be either pressure or fragments.

If you are inside a building, it depends on the weapon. Some are intended to kill people from the pressure generated, some are intended to break up the structure and use the building's debris as the kill mechanism.

In terms of the heat, the heat from a high-energy explosion is very high, but short-lived, especially if vented to the atmosphere. It'll burn, char and mangle, but unless you are fairly close, the heat isn't a major issue.

The "concussion" grenades that are often used in urban warfare produce a pressure wave to incapacitate, and lots of noise/light. The noise and light are at a level that causes an information overload, leaving the victim unable to really act or respond.

Underwater... pressure waves from explosions are very strong, and there's some addition effects underwater that make it particularily violent. Divers would be affected.

Nuclear explosions are another beast. There's incredibly intense heat, and an enormous series of shock and pressure waves.

The "vacuum" created as air rushes back to fill the void, is called rarifaction. Not a kill mechanism.

great explanation :thumbsup

fl_prn_str 12-24-2004 10:13 PM

blunt trauma

NoCarrier 12-24-2004 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azguy
Whatever it is - don't do it :) CSI will get you...

Hahahaha..

:Graucho

Nah.. It was just a simple question. There's no "intention" behind it. :love-smil

NoCarrier 12-24-2004 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booker
You've asked at the right time. I'm an engineer and deal with explosives.

If it's a bare explosive, there's a phenomenon called "Blast Overpressure," which is a pressure wave in air many times stronger (intensity, velocity, etc) than just noise. Depending on the intensity, it can blow out your ears, collapse your lungs and do other things to kill you. The kill mechanism isn't the air hitting you, it is that the energy is transferred directly through your body (the wave keeps going, only a small portion of it is reflected).

If it's a weapon, like a bomb or some other device that fragments, then the fragments will reach you before the pressure wave. Obviously, hot razor-sharp pieces of metal travelling many times the speed of sound will kill you.

If you are outside a building and the blast is contained until the structure breaks, then it could be either pressure or fragments.

If you are inside a building, it depends on the weapon. Some are intended to kill people from the pressure generated, some are intended to break up the structure and use the building's debris as the kill mechanism.

In terms of the heat, the heat from a high-energy explosion is very high, but short-lived, especially if vented to the atmosphere. It'll burn, char and mangle, but unless you are fairly close, the heat isn't a major issue.

The "concussion" grenades that are often used in urban warfare produce a pressure wave to incapacitate, and lots of noise/light. The noise and light are at a level that causes an information overload, leaving the victim unable to really act or respond.

Underwater... pressure waves from explosions are very strong, and there's some addition effects underwater that make it particularily violent. Divers would be affected.

Nuclear explosions are another beast. There's incredibly intense heat, and an enormous series of shock and pressure waves.

The "vacuum" created as air rushes back to fill the void, is called rarifaction. Not a kill mechanism.

Wow! Thanks for the explanation! Nice. :xmas-smil

See, we can learn something on this board.

Merrry X-Mas guys..


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