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MrIzzz 12-23-2004 09:24 PM

stock market and tax gurus
 
next week, can i sell off some of my bad performing stock and claim it as a loss before january 1st? or is it too late for end of the year moves?

xclusive 12-23-2004 09:25 PM

It should be fine but ask your stock guy I believe that as long as it is before midnight new years eve it's all good...

MrIzzz 12-23-2004 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by xclusive
It should be fine but ask your stock guy I believe that as long as it is before midnight new years eve it's all good...


word. i'm checking to see which tax bracket i fall in, soooo, i'm assessing the pros and cons of dumping off some of my sorry ass stocks.

abyss_al 12-23-2004 09:27 PM

before midnight = in the clear :banana

MrIzzz 12-23-2004 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by abyss_al
before midnight = in the clear :banana

holla holla holla

this is good news to me, now i have to decide which day to dump it

2HousePlague 12-23-2004 09:32 PM

It's all about SETTLEMENT DATE.

Your trade must settle this year.

Trust me, I'm a former broker... uuuhh... I mean, believe me, I know what I'm talking about.


j-

ytcracker 12-23-2004 09:34 PM

you have to settle this year
edit: didnt even notice wtf guy said above me sorry

MrIzzz 12-23-2004 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague
It's all about SETTLEMENT DATE.

Your trade must settle this year.

Trust me, I'm a former broker... uuuhh... I mean, believe me, I know what I'm talking about.


j-

word :thumbsup

then if the market is open tomorrow, i'll look at my portfolio and see which to dump as to do this sooner than later

abyss_al 12-23-2004 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MrIzzz
holla holla holla

this is good news to me, now i have to decide which day to dump it

yeah... do it ASAP... it's gotta go through this year :banana

azguy 12-23-2004 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ytcracker
you have to settle this year
edit: didnt even notice wtf guy said above me sorry

Must settle this year.

edit: I saw what all the others said but wanted to seem knowledgeable as well.

azguy 12-23-2004 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MrIzzz
word :thumbsup

then if the market is open tomorrow, i'll look at my portfolio and see which to dump as to do this sooner than later

Dump em all and stock up on MTSX :2 cents:

2HousePlague 12-23-2004 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by azguy
Must settle this year.

edit: I saw what all the others said but wanted to seem knowledgeable as well.

Go easy, little guy -- we already liked you and thought you clever. You don't need to kow-tow at EVERY opportunity.


j-

azguy 12-23-2004 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 2HousePlague
Go easy, little guy -- we already liked you and thought you clever. You don't need to kow-tow at EVERY opportunity.


j-

:thumbsup :playboy

pornguy 12-23-2004 10:58 PM

You can only deduct the difference. But if the stock is removed from the exchange, then it is a total loss and the amount is what you paid.

MrIzzz 12-23-2004 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy
You can only deduct the difference. But if the stock is removed from the exchange, then it is a total loss and the amount is what you paid.


very true, i misworded my original post. a few years ago i did the same thing where i sold off a number of stocks and declared the difference as a loss :thumbsup. it saved me from hitting the next tax bracket

paxton 12-23-2004 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MrIzzz
next week, can i sell off some of my bad performing stock and claim it as a loss before january 1st? or is it too late for end of the year moves?

You can sell your stock provided you execute the trade before the final session of 2004. It's not settlement date that matters here (it used to be) but the date the trade was recorded (actually made).

If the sale of your stock results in a short term (ST) realized loss, you can deduct all of that to offset any ST realized gains from other sales in 2004. If you have more losses than gains, you can use up as much of the gains you have and carry over the rest to future tax years. You can also use $3,000 of the loss to offset your ordinary income for 2004.

Keep in mind to use the loss you can't purchase the stock within 30 days of the sale (both before the sale and after). Otherwise your actions would result in a wash sale and the loss could not be deducted.

paxton 12-23-2004 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague
It's all about SETTLEMENT DATE.

Your trade must settle this year.

Trust me, I'm a former broker... uuuhh... I mean, believe me, I know what I'm talking about.


j-

Wrong. Settlement date only applies to covering a short sale.

I've been a portfolio manager too long and had this question come up too many times. But I think even Yahoo can answer this question:

http://taxes.yahoo.com/guide/buystock/lastday.html

MrIzzz 12-23-2004 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by paxton
You can sell your stock provided you execute the trade before the final session of 2004. It's not settlement date that matters here (it used to be) but the date the trade was recorded (actually made).

If the sale of your stock results in a short term (ST) realized loss, you can deduct all of that to offset any ST realized gains from other sales in 2004. If you have more losses than gains, you can use up as much of the gains you have and carry over the rest to future tax years. You can also use $3,000 of the loss to offset your ordinary income for 2004.

Keep in mind to use the loss you can't purchase the stock within 30 days of the sale (both before the sale and after). Otherwise your actions would result in a wash sale and the loss could not be deducted.

excellent. thx for that. i didnt know about the 30 day waiting period

I Like Chocolate 12-23-2004 11:47 PM

I concur with paxton

paxton 12-23-2004 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MrIzzz
excellent. thx for that. i didnt know about the 30 day waiting period

I like to consider the "Wash Sale" period as a 61-Day period: the 30 days before the sale, plus the day of the actual sale, plus the 30 days following the sale. :xmas-smil


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