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theking 12-20-2004 06:48 AM

Four years of bashing President Bush
 
...but who here has been personally impacted by his Presidency and how?

I have not personally been impacted in any way that I am aware of and I do not know anyone that has been...other than my military friends.

Lets here it.

StuartD 12-20-2004 06:50 AM

I had to read your post as a direct result of Bush and for that, I'll never forgive him.

ironlung 12-20-2004 08:07 AM

fuck bush, hes affecting me because this war is a fucking waste of money and human life

id rather save money for my SS

Scott McD 12-20-2004 08:08 AM

Well he got voted back in so he can't be affecting that many people...

NickPapageorgio 12-20-2004 08:11 AM

The wheels this administration has set in motion will effect the way life in this country is lived for a long time. The patriot act was the first step. Your rights are being stripped from you right in front of your eyes. :2 cents:

theking 12-20-2004 08:12 AM

Correction...lets hear it. Did not have enough coffee before posting apparently.

Screaming 12-20-2004 08:12 AM

well it seems that money is alot less fluid since he came to power, alot of people out of work the past four years, 9-11 ( I am not saying that it was his fault but we havent had anything like that happen to that magnatude before, and just in general nothing really positive has really happen

theking 12-20-2004 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by ironlung
fuck bush, hes affecting me because this war is a fucking waste of money and human life

id rather save money for my SS

Are you saying that he is affecting you emotionally?

mardigras 12-20-2004 08:14 AM

The real imact on the average person will happen once he gets his objectives and states realize they have to make up money somewhere.

Fake Nick 12-20-2004 08:14 AM

did you have your eppiphany yet ?


yeah the fact that the economy is bad has nothing to do with bad sales

theking 12-20-2004 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NickPapageorgio
The wheels this administration has set in motion will effect the way life in this country is lived for a long time. The patriot act was the first step. Your rights are being stripped from you right in front of your eyes. :2 cents:
Educate me and provide a specifice right that has been stripped from me during President Bush's term.

theking 12-20-2004 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Screaming
well it seems that money is alot less fluid since he came to power, alot of people out of work the past four years, 9-11 ( I am not saying that it was his fault but we havent had anything like that happen to that magnatude before, and just in general nothing really positive has really happen
The unemployment rate...the last time I checked is normal or below normal nationally and has been in that range for President Bush's term. The economy...the last time I checked is growing at or above normal growth...and has grown throughout President Bush's term.

theking 12-20-2004 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by Fake Nick
did you have your eppiphany yet ?


yeah the fact that the economy is bad has nothing to do with bad sales

Why do you say the economy is bad and why do you say sales are bad?

mardigras 12-20-2004 08:30 AM

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Originally posted by theking
The unemployment rate...
The unemployment rate is figured based on unemployment insurance claims. People who have exhausted their unemployment or who have given up on finding employment are not included in those numbers.

Fake Nick 12-20-2004 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by theking
Why do you say the economy is bad and why do you say sales are bad?

huh ? yeah the US economy is doing great :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


and sales ARE bad, even if you had your best month ever !


people that just lost their job are not very eager to buy a visa membership to a paysite

NickPapageorgio 12-20-2004 08:32 AM

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Just 45 days after the September 11 attacks, with virtually no debate, Congress passed the USA PATRIOT Act. Many parts of this sweeping legislation take away checks on law enforcement and threaten the very rights and freedoms that we are struggling to protect. For example, without a warrant and without probable cause, the FBI now has the power to access your most private medical records, your library records, and your student records... and can prevent anyone from telling you it was done.
Quoted from the American Civil Liberties Union website. Do a little research on what the patriot act and homeland security encompass and the powers that they have now that you and I cannot contest.

theking 12-20-2004 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by mardigras
The unemployment rate is figured based on unemployment insurance claims. People who have exhausted their unemployment or who have given up on finding employment are not included in those numbers.
That does not alter the fact that the rates are normal or below normal...does it? In past Presidencys they have been much higher.

Libertine 12-20-2004 08:40 AM

1. Big fucking deficit. The national debt is rising quickly, and that will cost lots of money eventually. Yes, this will impact your life.
2. Low dollar. If it stays this low or falls even further, very strong inflation is inevitable, which will lead to severe economic damage.

NickPapageorgio 12-20-2004 08:42 AM

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Interception of "Computer Trespasser" Communications
Prior law prohibited anyone from intentionally intercepting or disclosing the contents of any intercepted communications without complying with the requirements of the wiretap statute, unless such interception and disclosure fell within one of several statutory exceptions. The USA PATRIOT Act, Section 217, creates a new exception, permitting government interception of the "communications of a computer trespasser" if the owner or operator of a "protected computer" authorizes the interception. The new exception has broad implications, given that a "protected computer" includes any "which is used in interstate or foreign commerce or communication" (which, with the Internet, includes effectively any computer ). The "authorization" assistance permits wiretapping of the intruder's communications without any judicial oversight, in contrast to most federal communication-intercept laws that require objective oversight from someone outside the investigative chain.

The new law places the determination solely in the hands of law enforcement and the system owner or operator. In those likely instances in which the interception does not result in prosecution, the target of the interception will never have an opportunity to challenge the activity (through a suppression proceeding). Indeed, such targets would never even have notice of the fact that their communications were subject to warrantless interception. However, the USA PATRIOT Act does include an exception prohibiting surveillance of someone who is known by the owner of the protected computer "to have an existing contractual relationship with the owner or operator of the protected computer for access to all or part of the protected computer." The ATA, which did not contain such an exception, was so vague that the provision could have been applied to users downloading copyrighted materials off the Web. However, even with this fix, the amendment has little, if anything, to do with legitimate investigations of terrorism.

theking 12-20-2004 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by NickPapageorgio
Quoted from the American Civil Liberties Union website. Do a little research on what the patriot act and homeland security encompass and the powers that they have now that you and I cannot contest.
I am fully aware of what the Patriot act is about (I read it when it was first passed)...and I am also fully aware that the Supreme court has curtailed parts of it...and when contested I am satisfied that more of it will not stand.

I have not personally be impacted by the Patriot act and I do not know anyone that has been. My post asked the question..."who here has been personally impacted by his Presidency and how?" Thus far no one has stated that they have been personally impacted and/or knows anyone that has been.

NickPapageorgio 12-20-2004 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
I am fully aware of what the Patriot act is about (I read it when it was first passed)...and I am also fully aware that the Supreme court has curtailed parts of it...and when contested I am satisfied that more of it will not stand.

I have not personally be impacted by the Patriot act and I do not know anyone that has been. My post asked the question..."who here has been personally impacted by his Presidency and how?" Thus far no one has stated that they have been personally impacted and/or knows anyone that has been.

Problem being, you don't know if you have personally been impacted or not. They no longer have to tell you these things.

ironlung 12-20-2004 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
Educate me and provide a specifice right that has been stripped from me during President Bush's term.
have you ever read anything about the fucking patriot act, its tearing apart the constitution, just 1 thing is the government can march into any library and demand to know what books you have checked out, wich isnt that big a deal but fuck i want some privacy

media 12-20-2004 08:47 AM

My wife has been affected by her school costs almost doubling...

Thus affecting my bottom line because I gotta pay for alot of her shit..

FUCK BUSH.. leave no kid behind pro education my ass...

theking 12-20-2004 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
1. Big fucking deficit. The national debt is rising quickly, and that will cost lots of money eventually. Yes, this will impact your life.
2. Low dollar. If it stays this low or falls even further, very strong inflation is inevitable, which will lead to severe economic damage.

Relatively speaking the deficit has been bigger in the past and the national debt is not rising when compared to the relationship to GNP.

I think the dollar has been allowed to fall (for sound economic reasons) and the last I checked it is now going back up.

Fake Nick 12-20-2004 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by theking


I think the dollar has been allowed to fall (for sound economic reasons) and the last I checked it is now going back up.



:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

yeah it went from $1 = 75 eurocents to $1 = 74 eurocents !!


going up baby !! :1orglaugh

theking 12-20-2004 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by NickPapageorgio
Problem being, you don't know if you have personally been impacted or not. They no longer have to tell you these things.
What I am not aware of does not impact me...on the other hand if they were to tell me then I would be impacted.

Fake Nick 12-20-2004 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
What I am not aware of does not impact me...on the other hand if they were to tell me then I would be impacted.

dude ! how can you even take yourself serious after posting shit like this ! !!


tell me , on what kind of meds are you on ? ? :1orglaugh

NickPapageorgio 12-20-2004 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
I am fully aware of what the Patriot act is about (I read it when it was first passed)...and I am also fully aware that the Supreme court has curtailed parts of it...and when contested I am satisfied that more of it will not stand.

I have not personally be impacted by the Patriot act and I do not know anyone that has been. My post asked the question..."who here has been personally impacted by his Presidency and how?" Thus far no one has stated that they have been personally impacted and/or knows anyone that has been.

My father has been impacted. My father is a steward in the union at the Norfolk Naval Shipyard. For 20 years he has been fighting for equal rights for workers, overtime equality, working to end discrimination against women in the shop, etc etc. The government has set into motion an act that will basically undermine things the union has been working for for years. Here is where it gets really cool. The government says that unless the union can present a legit case against this act by a certain date, the laws will be passed uncontested. Now, when the union asks for information and paperwork that they need from the government to use in their case, they are stonewalled and told that they cannot have access to certain records and paperwork due to an issue of "homeland security". Now, all the government has to do is wait it out and keep stonewalling and their law is passed. I can ask my father for some paper work and links if you would like to verify that this is indeed going on but this is the basic jist of the matter. Everyone is impacted. Some people just don't realize it yet.

mardigras 12-20-2004 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by theking
That does not alter the fact that the rates are normal or below normal...does it? In past Presidencys they have been much higher.
It doesn't alter the fact if the "official" rate is all you are after. The extended unemployment rate in much of the country is higher now and when you take those people out of the equation you get a nice tidy number for bureaucrats to tout.

NickPapageorgio 12-20-2004 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
What I am not aware of does not impact me...on the other hand if they were to tell me then I would be impacted.
Bury your head in the sand and you are in perfect position to take one in the ass. Live by those words and you will be ok.:thumbsup

ironlung 12-20-2004 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by Fake Nick
dude ! how can you even take yourself serious after posting shit like this ! !!


tell me , on what kind of meds are you on ? ? :1orglaugh

LOL hahaha :1orglaugh

what a fucking republican

Paco, of Large Cash. 12-20-2004 08:54 AM

Bush is a man with backbone.
Canadians are stuck with a chicken shit ?leader? Mr. Martin and worse off the previous side-speaking Cretin.

It is too bad most people are unable to view the entire picture, but for all the unbelievers, just think he will be gone in four.

Go Bush
:thumbsup

theking 12-20-2004 08:54 AM

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Originally posted by media
My wife has been affected by her school costs almost doubling...

Thus affecting my bottom line because I gotta pay for alot of her shit..

FUCK BUSH.. leave no kid behind pro education my ass...

Public schools/community colleges/universities are primarily State controlled...but at least you and she have been impacted...though I am not certain that President Bush's term is the cause of this...because as I stated shool costs are primarily State controlled.

NickPapageorgio 12-20-2004 08:55 AM

Section 211 amended Title III to provide that where a cable company provides telephone or Internet services, it must comply with the laws governing interception and disclosure of communications by other telephone companies or ISPs. This subjects cable companies acting in this capacity to 18 U.S.C. chapters 119 (Title III), 121, and 206, laws governing the interception and disclosure of real time wire, oral or electronic communications, pen register/trap and trace information, and stored communications. The new law supercedes the original provisions of the Cable Act relating to obligatory and voluntary disclosure of subscriber information, although the amendment would provide an exemption for "customer cable television viewing activity" (an undefined term, but one meant to address what channels are watched by the customer). However, the stringent privacy protections prohibiting release of customer information to non-governmental entities absent customer consent are left in place.

NickPapageorgio 12-20-2004 08:55 AM

Section 213 eliminates the prior requirement that law enforcement provide a person subject to a search warrant with contemporaneous notice of the search. The new "secret search" provision applies where the court "finds reasonable cause to believe that providing immediate notification of the execution of the warrant may have an adverse effect." Although the Administration's "Field Guidance on New Authorities Enacted in the 2001 Anti-Terrorism Legislation" states that the new authority "is primarily designed to authorize delayed notice of searches," the amendment permits seizure of any tangible property or communications where the court finds "reasonable necessity" for this seizure. The law requires that notice be given within a "reasonable period," which can be extended by the court for "good cause." "Reasonable period" is undefined, and the Administration's Field Guidance advises that this is a "flexible standard."

This significant change in the law applies to all government searches for material that "constitutes evidence of a criminal offense in violation of the laws of the United States" and is not limited to investigations of terrorist activity. Prior law authorized delayed notification of a search only under a very small number of circumstances (such as surreptitious electronic surveillance). The expansion of this extraordinary authority to all searches constitutes a radical departure from Fourth Amendment standards and could result in routine surreptitious entries by law enforcement agents.

theking 12-20-2004 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by mardigras
It doesn't alter the fact if the "official" rate is all you are after. The extended unemployment rate in much of the country is higher now and when you take those people out of the equation you get a nice tidy number for bureaucrats to tout.
This has always been SOP...thus SNAFU.

media 12-20-2004 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
Public schools/community colleges/universities are primarily State controlled...but at least you and she have been impacted...though I am not certain that President Bush's term is the cause of this...because as I stated shool costs are primarily State controlled.
Schools ARE state controlled, but federal funding helps pay for majority of the schooling here..

At one point they had to start closing the community college library here at 7pm, and they only ran half of the lights in the library and when you wanted to print you only get 5 sheets of paper, or had to bring more paper from home..

That is a state of emergency.. Her school costs went up $1000 per year just to keep the doors open, because people in this state are too stupid to vote for a $140 average per person tax increase.. Thanks idiots, alot of people pay over $1000 a year now and are kicking themselves in the ass for not thinking ahead...

theking 12-20-2004 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by ironlung
LOL hahaha :1orglaugh

what a fucking republican

If you are calling FakeNick a Republican...so be it...as for myself I am not now and have never been a Republican...nor am I a fan of President Bush.

I asked "who here has been personally impacted by his Presidency and how?" It is not a polictical statement and I did not ask for generalizations.

mardigras 12-20-2004 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
This has always been SOP...thus SNAFU.
As I said in my post, the extended numbers are higher now, so there is a difference. More people are not going back to work than under previous presidencies and they are not being counted in the percentage of unemployed. So despite what they want to give as the unemplyment rate, the fact is the rate of unemployment is going up.

theking 12-20-2004 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by media
Schools ARE state controlled, but federal funding helps pay for majority of the schooling here..

At one point they had to start closing the community college library here at 7pm, and they only ran half of the lights in the library and when you wanted to print you only get 5 sheets of paper, or had to bring more paper from home..

That is a state of emergency.. Her school costs went up $1000 per year just to keep the doors open, because people in this state are too stupid to vote for a $140 average per person tax increase.. Thanks idiots, alot of people pay over $1000 a year now and are kicking themselves in the ass for not thinking ahead...

It is my understanding that Federal Funding has been increased during President Bush's term...educate me if I am wrong. When I attended University...costs went up every year in every area...so I do not think that University costs going up is anything new.

LadyMischief 12-20-2004 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by NickPapageorgio
Section 213 eliminates the prior requirement that law enforcement provide a person subject to a search warrant with contemporaneous notice of the search. The new "secret search" provision applies where the court "finds reasonable cause to believe that providing immediate notification of the execution of the warrant may have an adverse effect." Although the Administration's "Field Guidance on New Authorities Enacted in the 2001 Anti-Terrorism Legislation" states that the new authority "is primarily designed to authorize delayed notice of searches," the amendment permits seizure of any tangible property or communications where the court finds "reasonable necessity" for this seizure. The law requires that notice be given within a "reasonable period," which can be extended by the court for "good cause." "Reasonable period" is undefined, and the Administration's Field Guidance advises that this is a "flexible standard."

This significant change in the law applies to all government searches for material that "constitutes evidence of a criminal offense in violation of the laws of the United States" and is not limited to investigations of terrorist activity. Prior law authorized delayed notification of a search only under a very small number of circumstances (such as surreptitious electronic surveillance). The expansion of this extraordinary authority to all searches constitutes a radical departure from Fourth Amendment standards and could result in routine surreptitious entries by law enforcement agents.

Nick, don't waste your breath.. Theking is just trying to start an arguement, and he will refuse to listen to the other side... Notice how he sweetly sidesteps any points you've brought up, and tries to fight the battles he thinks he can win. Leave him in his little delusional world and someday his house of cards will crumble down on his head.

NickPapageorgio 12-20-2004 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
Nick, don't waste your breath.. Theking is just trying to start an arguement, and he will refuse to listen to the other side... Notice how he sweetly sidesteps any points you've brought up, and tries to fight the battles he thinks he can win. Leave him in his little delusional world and someday his house of cards will crumble down on his head.
Nice to see you. How are things :)

monro 12-20-2004 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
...but who here has been personally impacted by his Presidency and how?

I have not personally been impacted in any way that I am aware of and I do not know anyone that has been...other than my military friends.

Lets here it.

Bush has done a great job so far.

He throw those animal Taliban's out of Afghanistan. The other spineless countries had done nothing about those women humiliating animals!
He is cleaning Iraq from Stalin lowing murderers, no support from EU except GB.

The unemployment in the USA is 6.5%, in EU over 10%. And it is higher in EU than that as they hide unemployment in many ways. ( Government supported meaningless jobs etc )

The low dollar is good for the USA, easy to sell abroad, cost more to import making the domestic companies and people using more US products. Cheaper oil as USA pay oil in dollar.

He still is the only defender against the Muslim terrorists this world has.

He is brave too. Taking all shit for helping all of us. It was spineless leaders making WW2 possible resulting in pain and millions of killings.
Thank You Bush!

theking 12-20-2004 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
Nick, don't waste your breath.. Theking is just trying to start an arguement, and he will refuse to listen to the other side... Notice how he sweetly sidesteps any points you've brought up, and tries to fight the battles he thinks he can win. Leave him in his little delusional world and someday his house of cards will crumble down on his head.
I asked "who here has been personally impacted by his Presidency and how?" It is not a polictical statement and I did not ask for generalizations.

- Jesus Christ - 12-20-2004 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
I asked "who here has been personally impacted by his Presidency and how?" It is not a polictical statement and I did not ask for generalizations.
They don't understand that.

I hate bush too but some people on this board have descended into a blind fantasy world that gives the republicans more power by creating an us vs them mentality that republican party drew a lot of its power from in this last election.

Ranting about the same general shit over and over and over again does not sway anyone. So why not just answer the dudes question and say NO instead of going off an some rant we've all heard 100 times.

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media 12-20-2004 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
It is my understanding that Federal Funding has been increased during President Bush's term...educate me if I am wrong. When I attended University...costs went up every year in every area...so I do not think that University costs going up is anything new.
This is a community college I am speaking of. $1000 in one year is unheard of...

it was almost a 100% increase in per credit costs..

Federal funding is a joke with Bush, his priorities are skered, majority of the funding that schools get are to build and improve schools, not pay costs to keep schools open..

Fake Nick 12-20-2004 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
They don't understand that.

I hate bush too but some people on this board have descended into a blind fantasy world that gives the republicans more power by creating an us vs them mentality that republican party drew a lot of its power from in this last election.

Ranting about the same general shit over and over and over again does not sway anyone. So why not just answer the dudes question and say NO instead of going off an some rant we've all heard 100 times.

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you are braindead or didn't read this thread

- Jesus Christ - 12-20-2004 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by Fake Nick
you are braindead or didn't read this thread
Yea dude I read all of the thread.

And noticed that you added absolutely nothing to it.

Thats why my comments were directed at the few of you in this thread who should have said NO but came up with a bunch of tenuous bullshit.

justsexxx 12-20-2004 09:37 AM

Ask the family of the killed soldiers.

And with all the money in that war he could have paid education for many kids....

Other then that he creates fear and hate all over the world

ironlung 12-20-2004 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by justsexxx
Ask the family of the killed soldiers.

And with all the money in that war he could have paid education for many kids....

Other then that he creates fear and hate all over the world

excellent point !!!

:thumbsup


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