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Donny 12-12-2004 12:58 PM

I'm Seriously Liking Kabbalah
 
I love learning what different religions think. Last summer I read up a lot on Buddhism. I recently started studying Kabbalah (which really isn't a 'religion'). I love some of the things Kabbalah teaches. I've been listening to a CD series called "The Power of Kabbalah".

Some of the things they teach are pure shit (I astrology hate because I think it's complete BULLSHIT and it seems they put some emphasis on it), but a lot of what they teach is really interesting.

Anyone else ever look into Kabbalah?

The_Oracle_Porn 12-12-2004 01:06 PM

yes. it's a dark art and will go to hell if you practice it

Manowar 12-12-2004 01:09 PM

http://www.cult.ch/c-logo_mitte.gif

Donny 12-12-2004 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Oracle_Porn
yes. it's a dark art and will go to hell if you practice it
Perfect!

Fletch XXX 12-12-2004 01:13 PM

have been reading about this since highschool, have a bunch of books on it.

im fascinated with all occult stuff, have thousands of books on it, literally.

i have like 4 on the Kabbalh alone, not to mention the various meditiation and rune books that go with it.

Chokmah

Fletch XXX 12-12-2004 01:18 PM

here are two good reads on it.

The Practical Qabalah

and the kabbalah, the way of the jewish mystic

http://www.fletchxxx.com/images/kabbalah.jpg

fl_prn_str 12-12-2004 01:20 PM

Say hi to Madonna/Ester for me....

Donny 12-12-2004 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
have been reading about this since highschool, have a bunch of books on it.

im fascinated with all occult stuff, have thousands of books on it, literally.

i have like 4 on the Kabbalh alone, not to mention the various meditiation and rune books that go with it.

Chokmah

Hey man,

This is good to hear. We can talk about this stuff sometime. I just like learning, particularly about the religious beliefs of others. I purchased a lot of materials about Kabbalah (even the complete Zohar) so maybe I can share some of them with you if you want.

My girl's aunt just called and wants us to come over so I'm leaving now, but I'll check back later.

PS - I have a check going out to you this week. Thought you might like to know that.

Fletch XXX 12-12-2004 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

PS - I have a check going out to you this week. Thought you might like to know that.

awesome!

ill tell "The Crew" to stop following you ;)

Ron 12-12-2004 01:22 PM

Im not really into religion or something. I mean not that i have any religion. I went to church when i whas younger, but i never felt comfortable there.
Form its more what you feel in your heart, and what you do. You dont need a religion for that.

I think every religion has his good and his bad things. But most important is, to respect eachother (ok maybe except oracle porn).

kabbalah, Boedhism, islam, catholic.. all have his good and bad things... but if you get all the good things out oif each and respect other people that will do it.

Im fascinated with all occult stuf to, but not with the goal to find answers...

Donny 12-12-2004 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ron
Im not really into religion or something. I mean not that i have any religion. I went to church when i whas younger, but i never felt comfortable there.
Form its more what you feel in your heart, and what you do. You dont need a religion for that.

I think every religion has his good and his bad things. But most important is, to respect eachother (ok maybe except oracle porn).

kabbalah, Boedhism, islam, catholic.. all have his good and bad things... but if you get all the good things out oif each and respect other people that will do it.

Im fascinated with all occult stuf to, but not with the goal to find answers...


I like to learn from many sources, too, because I like to take the good from each and throw out the bad. My ex-father-in-law used to say, "Eat the meat and spit out the bones", which translates to "Take what you want from everything and get rid of the parts you don't like".

That's why I am constantly reading about what others believe.

Donny 12-12-2004 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
here are two good reads on it.

The Practical Qabalah

and the kabbalah, the way of the jewish mystic

http://www.fletchxxx.com/images/kabbalah.jpg

I'll definitely purchase both of those books. Thanks for the suggestion.

Libertine 12-12-2004 01:26 PM

To quote Dan Bern: The Kabbalah is for crazy people.

Bill8 12-12-2004 01:46 PM

Kabbalah is interesting, but very complex, possibly one of the most mixed up of all modern mysticisms because of the dark history of religion in europe. (lot's of religious persecutions in europe, arguably more so than in most other parts of the world.)

You have dozens of strains of "jewish" kabbalah, and dozens to hundreds of strains of non-jewish kabbalah. All the whacked out christian mystics of europe gobbled up kabbalah as a 'secret teaching', stripped out some of the purely jewish religious trtaditions, and turning it into a hybrid of mystical imagery and meditations.

So, lots of books you might find on kabbalah are very different from what the modern jewish tradition thinks of as kabbalah.

And the stuff that madonna is into- well, that's an example of one of the many strains of the jewish tradition, with it's own particular flavor. And most of the traditional Rabbis think of that as a dangerous subcult, a personality cult.

sherie 12-12-2004 01:47 PM

Something a little shady about an organization that wants 1/3 or more of your income.

Kimmykim 12-12-2004 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sherie
Something a little shady about an organization that wants 1/3 or more of your income.
As long as they're not spending it on KoolAid ;)

ironlung 12-12-2004 02:05 PM

fuck that, kabbalah is some trendy bull shit, i wonder how many young people are practicing kabbalah now that madonna and britney spears are, i think its rediculous

Donny 12-12-2004 07:37 PM

A person can find truths spoken by the sane, the insane, and (if you believe the Bible) even by donkeys.

The point? Who cares if it's trendy, mystical, weird, etc... if you find a few nuggets here and there that you can use then it was worth studying.

I'm studying it now. There are things I like and things I don't.

KRL 12-12-2004 07:39 PM

I love people that hate Astrology that don't know anything about the science behind it.

Why don't you research it thoroughly before you judge it so swiftly.

DEA - banned for life 12-12-2004 07:41 PM

who cares:2 cents:

Donny 12-12-2004 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
I love people that hate Astrology that don't know anything about the science behind it.

Why don't you research it thoroughly before you judge it so swiftly.

Oh, I will. I'm sure I'll listen to their reasons. My initial reaction to astrology is that I think it is complete bullshit. If you are born on the same day that I am, will you and I have similar lives? I seriously doubt it.

Donny 12-12-2004 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DEA
who cares:2 cents:
Thanks for your post.

Feel free to post elsewhere now.

LaoTzu 12-12-2004 08:34 PM

I predict Taoism will make a comeback in the next decade or so.

Donny 12-12-2004 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LaoTzu
I predict Taoism will make a comeback in the next decade or so.
I had to look that one up:

www.google.com

define: taoism

Definitions of Taoism on the Web:

A Chinese religion and philosophy that sees the universe as engaged in ceaseless motion and activity. All is considered to be in continual flux. The universe is in trinsically dynamic. This continual cosmic process is called the "Tao" by the Chinese. The process is described in terms of Yin and Yang. (See: Yin/Yang.)
logosresourcepages.org/na-dict.html


A religion developed from a Chinese mystic philosophy.
http://www.buddhistdoor.com/bdoor/co...s/glosst-z.htm


Philosophy school that want people to achieve harmony with the nature
www.geocities.com/tao4dummies/glossary.html


A spiritual belief system developed in ancient China, based on the harmonisation of counterbalancing forces, such as dark and light. The aim is to achieve the tao (or dao), which is comparable with the idea of enlightenment.
www.monasticreiki.info/glossary.htm


A Chinese religion and philosophy that sees the universe as engaged in ceaseless motion and activity. All is considered to be in continual flux. .The universe is in trinsically dynamic. This continual cosmic process is called the "Tao" by
www.aznewage.com/dictionary%20t-v.htm


(pronounced: Dow-ism) Meaning "The Way". Ancient Indigenous religion of China approximately 4700 years old. Taoism seeks harmony and long life it is combined with pantheism and magical practices
http://www.webeffects-aus.com/quicks.../glossary.html


the religion founded about 700 years after the death of Lao-tzu around the ideas of the old Chinese sage.
www.storytellingmonk.org/ref/glossaries/t.htm


Living in balance and harmony with the universal way. Living close to nature. "is the exhibition of a way or method of living which men should cultivate as the highest and purest development of their nature". Taoism is a term meaning 'Path' or 'Way', but denoting in this peculiar case the way, course or movement of the Universe, her processes and methods. In other words, Taoism is the Religion of Heaven and Earth, of the Cosmos, of the World or Nature in the broadest sense of these words. Hence we may call it Naturism.
home.att.net/~lbbatkd/definitions.html


One of the great philosophical traditions in China, according to which the individual will find peace and tranquility through quietly following the Tao.
highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/076742011x/student_view0/chapter16/glossary.html


The philosophical system set forth in Tao Te Ching.
http://www.geocities.com/astrologyfo...gGlossary.html


or Daoism. Chinese religious tradition, pointing to or revealing the "way" (Tao) that is the reality underlying physical and biological creation. See: [2: Taoism in P&C] [3: http://mars.superlink.net/user/fsu/philo.html ] . [2: home] [3: Tao The King]; [Lao Tzu's "Tao Te Ching" ].
www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/2020/glosoz.htm


a Chinese sect claiming to follow the teaching of Lao-tzu but incorporating pantheism and sorcery in addition to Taoism
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn


religion adhering to the teaching of Lao-tzu
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn


popular Chinese philosophical system based in teachings of Lao-tzu but characterized by a pantheism of many gods and the practices of alchemy and divination and magic
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn


philosophical system developed by of Lao-tzu and Chuang-tzu advocating a simple honest life and noninterference with the course of natural events
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

Libertine 12-12-2004 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
I love people that hate Astrology that don't know anything about the science behind it.

Why don't you research it thoroughly before you judge it so swiftly.

The "science" behind astrology: give a class full of students the exact same professionally made horoscope, and 80% will say "Wow, the damn thing is right!".

hottoddy 12-12-2004 08:44 PM

Judaism-Lite. You take Judaism, then subtract learning Hebrew and studying hard. That's the prime reason it's trendy among celebtrity brains.

- Jesus Christ - 12-12-2004 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hottoddy
Judaism-Lite. You take Judaism, then subtract learning Hebrew and studying hard. That's the prime reason it's trendy among celebtrity brains.

sean416 12-12-2004 08:48 PM

somebody wanna recap what the main beliefs of this kabbalah is for the lazy people amongst us?:helpme

- Jesus Christ - 12-12-2004 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sean416
somebody wanna recap what the main beliefs of this kabbalah is for the lazy people amongst us?:helpme
Welcome to the internet.

http://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+kabbalah


On the internet there are pages that let you type text into a box and retrieve links to information.

These sites are called SEARCH ENGINES.

Donny 12-12-2004 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sean416
somebody wanna recap what the main beliefs of this kabbalah is for the lazy people amongst us?:helpme
http://www.kabbalah.com/kabbalah/what.html

Libertine 12-12-2004 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
Welcome to the internet.

http://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+kabbalah


On the internet there are pages that let you type text into a box and retrieve links to information.

These sites are called SEARCH ENGINES.

He just said that he was lazy.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lazy

- Jesus Christ - 12-12-2004 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
He just said that he was lazy.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lazy

No shit... but guess what? Making that reply about being lazy took longer than doing a search on it would.

Better be-read that definition.

mal 12-12-2004 09:19 PM

http://piscataquisvalleyfair.com/2000/images/sheep.jpg

sean416 12-12-2004 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
http://www.kabbalah.com/kabbalah/what.html
Yeah, I dont really want an introduction to kabbalah. I just want the main points recapped.

Christianity: They beleive Jesus is the son of god, they follow the ways of the bible, it's derived from the original religion of Jeudism.

Islam: They beleive christianity was lost in the interpretation of of the bible, that there is only one god, and no other (jesus christ is a prophet) and that Mohammed is the last prophet of god and god spoke directly to him to weed out any possible misunderstandings.

Kabbalah: =?

If im being too lazy feel free to flame. I just dont want to read some propaganda of how it will answer all the questions about life. etc. I just want to know the main beliefs if possible.

sean416 12-12-2004 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
No shit... but guess what? Making that reply about being lazy took longer than doing a search on it would.

Better be-read that definition.

I know I could read a bunch of articles and books and have a much understanding of it. But my point is that it seems like several people have already done that, so why not just ask what they took from all of what they read. lazy, yes. ignorant, I dont think so.

Libertine 12-12-2004 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
No shit... but guess what? Making that reply about being lazy took longer than doing a search on it would.

Better be-read that definition.

Doing a search also involves filtering information, and possibly having to compare the content of several sites. When you're looking for some quick info, that can - and most often will - take longer than typing out a post.

sean416 12-12-2004 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
Doing a search also involves filtering information, and possibly having to compare the content of several sites. When you're looking for some quick info, that can - and most often will - take longer than typing out a post.
word.

Donny 12-12-2004 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sean416
word.
Which word?



:1orglaugh

sean416 12-12-2004 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Which word?



:1orglaugh

lol. u gotta excuse me, I keep it real 24/7

word as in...

word is bond
thats my word
word up
etc

:1orglaugh

Donny 12-12-2004 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sean416
lol. u gotta excuse me, I keep it real 24/7

word as in...

word is bond
thats my word
word up
etc

:1orglaugh

Which word is up?

:1orglaugh

sean416 12-12-2004 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Which word is up?

:1orglaugh

too lazy to do a little research??? :1orglaugh

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=word+up

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=WORD

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...m=word+is+bond

I'm tellin ya man, you gotta know how to keep it real these days. :Graucho

sean416 12-12-2004 09:51 PM

3. word up

A greeting thats very close to my heart. Once used mainly by the afro american socity it is now used mainly by wiggas or as a joke.

Tell me whats the word? Word up!


The part in bold applies in this situation. :1orglaugh

Donny 12-12-2004 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sean416
I'm tellin ya man, you gotta know how to keep it real these days. :Graucho
Keep what real? Butter? I don't like real butter.

mal 12-12-2004 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Which word?



:1orglaugh

http://host31.ipowerweb.com/~dialerwo/images/word.jpg

Donny 12-12-2004 09:55 PM


:1orglaugh :1orglaugh


EDIT: I'm saving this.

sherie 12-12-2004 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
As long as they're not spending it on KoolAid ;)
I believe it's all going to the Neo Citran Cult! ;))

sean416 12-12-2004 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Keep what real? Butter? I don't like real butter.
lol. I think you need a real gangsta to help bring you up to speed, im just a white guy who listens to too much rap. :1orglaugh

PrivateIvy 12-12-2004 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
here are two good reads on it.

The Practical Qabalah

and the kabbalah, the way of the jewish mystic

http://www.fletchxxx.com/images/kabbalah.jpg


I can't believe you had a pic handy of both those :winkwink:


Ivy

Bill8 12-12-2004 11:01 PM

Kabbalah has got so many variations there is no simple answer to the 'what is kabbalah' question.

To one group it's reading secret encoded messages out of the torah and the bible with pretty whacked out letter codes.

To another it's a nearly-scientific-looking meditation system for perfecting yourself and acheiving union with god.

The type of stuff popular nowadays is this magic-religion hybrid, prayers and charms, meditations on images of god and angels to help a person climb the tree of life and evolve spiritually.

Your basic mystical stuff. Supposedly the "secret teachings" behind the whole judeo-christian religion.

sean416 12-12-2004 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill8
Kabbalah has got so many variations there is no simple answer to the 'what is kabbalah' question.

To one group it's reading secret encoded messages out of the torah and the bible with pretty whacked out letter codes.

To another it's a nearly-scientific-looking meditation system for perfecting yourself and acheiving union with god.

The type of stuff popular nowadays is this magic-religion hybrid, prayers and charms, meditations on images of god and angels to help a person climb the tree of life and evolve spiritually.

Your basic mystical stuff. Supposedly the "secret teachings" behind the whole judeo-christian religion.

:thumbsup

Thats what im talking about. Thanks for the recap. Doesnt sound like something I'd be interested in reading up on.


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