New National ID Bill
 

I hate to say it, but Bush may save America from a terrible mistake made by our legislature.

Congressman Ron Paul Denounces New National ID Bill

The U.S. House and Senate have passed a sweeping new intelligence bill
that contains provisions for a de facto national ID card. Congress
passed the bill despite having only a few hours to read the 3,000-plus
pages final version.

During the House debate, libertarian U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) rose
to the floor to denounce the bill, particularly the national ID
provisions.

?National ID cards are not proper in a free society,? Paul declared.
?This is America, not Soviet Russia. The federal government should never
be allowed to demand papers from American citizens, and it certainly
has no constitutional authority to do so.

?A national identification card, in whatever form it may take, will
allow the federal government to inappropriately monitor the movements and
transactions of every American,? Paul continued. ?History shows that
governments inevitably use such power in harmful ways. The 9-11
commission, whose recommendations underlie this bill, has called for *internal*
screening points where identification will be demanded. Domestic travel
restrictions are the hallmark of authoritarian states, not free
nations. It is just a matter of time until those who refuse to carry the new
licenses will be denied the ability to drive or board an airplane.

?Nationalizing standards for drivers licenses and birth certificates,
and linking them together via a national database, creates a national ID
system pure and simple. Proponents of the national ID understand that
the public remains wary of the scheme, so they attempt to claim they?re
merely creating new standards for existing state IDs. Nonsense! This
legislation imposes federal standards in a federal bill, and it creates a
federalized ID regardless of whether the ID itself is still stamped
with the name of your state.

?Those who are willing to allow the government to establish a
Soviet-style internal passport system because they think it will make us safer
are terribly mistaken,? Paul concluded. ?Subjecting every citizen to
surveillance and screening points actually will make us less safe, not in
the least because it will divert resources away from tracking and
apprehending terrorists and deploy them against innocent Americans! Every
conservative who believes in constitutional restraints on government
should reject the authoritarian national ID card and the nonsensical
intelligence bill itself.?

Unfortunately, Republicans and Democrats alike failed to heed Paul?s
warning. The bill was passed by the House 336-75 with 67 of the
dissenters Republicans defying strong pressure from President Bush. The bill
then passed the Senate 89-2. It could be signed by the president by
week's end.

Interestingly, just one day before the U.S. House vote, the British
government also announced plans to introduce biometric national ID card
starting in 2008. According to Prime Minister Tony Blair: "With
terrorism, illegal immigration and organized crime operating with so much
greater sophistication, identity cards in my judgment are long overdue."

Opponents say the battle against a national ID, and the fast-growing
national security state that supports such tyranny, will continue.

(Sources: ?Congressman Paul Denounces National ID Card,?
http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2004/pr120704.htm
British National ID:
http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/197119-1737-010.html )

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?Not even considering the idea??

?The White House will not pursue a national identification card system,
despite renewed clamor from pockets of government and industry
following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. ?We are not even considering the
idea,? said a Bush spokesman on Thursday.?

-- InfoWorld, September 27, 2001

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A bump for the national ID card. :glugglug

i think they could just laser burn the Social Security numbers on peoples foreheads......

We are all screwed if this happens....This is one of the most
UN-FREE countries already. With this it will get totally out of control. I used to joke around in High School and say I was going to move out of the country, now it is a reality. Pretty sad when you can't even walk down the street with-out your drivers license.

Land of the free and home of the governmentally oppressed.

:(


sad that the government feels it must be the mommy of every citizen.

Isn't the SSN card basically a national ID?

Does it piss anybody else off that we are actually paying these fuckers to do this to us...

yes it is but without the 'real time' scanning capabilities that would instantly indentify everything about you and track your every move in the swipe of a card.

Even if this doesn't happen now, I'd say it's only a matter of time until it is introduced, and once something like that is introduced, it's never going away.

orwell was 20 years off...

No, that's just proof of a Social Security number. With no pic on it you could not present just it as ID anywhere.

i hope he does the right thing and strikes this bill down. but he has a habit of saying one thing and doing another.

I'd much rather an ID card than they get keen on implants:eek2

There's some family that got chipped and now they are leading a movement to popularize the idea.

"your papers please"

Shit... it has never been a good idea to walk around without ID. Got stopped walking to the theater once and didn't have my wallet with me. About got arrested 'cause I looked like a guy that had just beat some chick up. Luckily I had friends with me.

And does anyone really think that they don't keep track of anyone that they want, whenever they want to?

It is nearly impossible to live completely off the radar these days.

:(

better to die fighting than live like a coward

One step closer to the Second American Revolution.

you mean the armchair revolution?

No.

sounds like a plan :thumbsup you 1st:winkwink:

im canadian, the govt looks after me from birth to grave....

why not got with the IDmicro chip..i got them for both of my dogs...just scan them and all there info pops right up..maybe the cops can just hit passing car with a scanner and find wanted criminals and known drug offenders..sounds like WW2 germany "yor paypahz pleeze! where are yor paypahz!"

YOU ARE ALL SO STUPID, IT'S PATHETIC.

Good morning to you too. :glugglug

I was not including you dear.:)
Ever since I can masturbate to your stories I have to admit that I put you in my love list :Graucho

:glugglug

Hell knows why, but I actually got a load of IRS tax forms in the mail along with some suggestion I fill them in.

Considering I have nada relationship/citizenship/business in the US and never will have - I was just curious as to why the US IRS consider I need to account to them and presumably pay taxes :-)

It's like the Icelandic government sending tax forms to someone living in Brazil... DUH??

Suppose they must be kinda short of money or something....