Better to be a paysite or a freesite...? Flame!
 

I'd rather be one of the top TGP's ANY DAY than one of the top paysites...

Free sites are a lot less work... fewer responsibilities... no customer support... no graphics/promotional materials necessary... no expensive servers to maintain... no problems with password hacking... no credit card fraud... you can work independently... nobody waiting for paychecks... don't have to worry about buying more content all the time... no building galleries... no making thumbnails... no transfering of tons of files... you spend less money... less legal responsibilities... and no need to pay an accountant.

Most of the money you make with paysites goes into buying more content, paying revsharers, credit processors, programmers, hosting companies, parties/promotion... not to mention if you want to grow you will have to pay for employees, an office, etc... 95% of my free site income is straight profit... I spend weeks even months without lifting a finger...

That's why you see a lot more free site people like Boneprone hanging out here on the boards -- because we can afford time to fuck around...

Wolfshade says, "Real bigshots are NOT bragging about their accomplishments they are to busy securing even more $$$."

In other words, the "real bigshots" are too *busy* trying to keep up with their expenses to even enjoy the money. Admit it -- paysites are a dime a dozen -- everybody and their mom is pushing a paysite...

Everybody wants higher payouts so that's less profits for you big ballers -- aka Joe Paysite. Once there's a new program with better returns or better content -- the traffic goes elsewhere. Look at the original top free sites -- they are still around and growing... Can you say the same thing about paysites? To me they seem to come and go with the seasons.

Anyway flame away! ;)

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Boneprone-4-Life

And of course, freesites are so rare.
Why put all your money on one horse? If his leg breaks, you're fucked. D-I-V-E-R-S-I-F-Y.

Ummmm.... yeah, I think you're nuts.

I know you pretty well Fly, you and I traded many moons ago and you always seemed pretty smart but this is way out of left field.

The Pay site guys have way more money and the truly sucessful ones have employees to handle all those things you mentioned... and they don't hang out on the boards cuz it's more fun to cruise up the coast in their Porsche.

You are right that there is more to worry about but it's worth it, and there are paysites out there that have lasted thru the highs and lows. You know that.

Anyway, I don't have time for this... I have to go make more $$$ http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

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Yeah dumbshit but freesites don't compete with each other... paysites do.



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Boneprone-4-Life

You don't think you're competing with other freesites? You don't want those surfers going to your sponsor codes versus mine? You must be on fuckin' crack... dumbshit.

Freesites compete with each other, but not as the paysites do.

Freesites depend on each other to build their traffic. TRAFFIC is what makes the money.

If it were not for the TRAFFIC of freesites the paysites would go broke.

It might have been nice in the early days to get tons of traffic from Search Engines, but those days are gone. You have to depend on each other to get those surfers into your sites.

Well I was just going out in left-field -- maybe so we could get into some of the dynamics of the relationships between freesites and paysites... past, present, future...

I guess there are programs like Cyberotica... but what are the success stories behind these companies? How much paysite income REALLY comes from free sites and how much comes from search engines?

And if were not for the paysites selling memberships that cost money, the freesites would not have a reason to exist. Who ya gonna sell to? Martha Stewart.com?

paysites and freesites dont compare.
theres way more money in owning a paysite,unless you own some big ass site like the hun or worldsex.


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I guess we depend on each other.

And BTW The Truth...

I never had to drive up the coast in a Porche because I lived on the ocean... When I was in LA I watched the sunset every night on the ocean while listening to my friends play music, smoking cigarettes, we talked about the meaning of life... Ok so I'm bragging about all of my free time... and I owe a lot of it to Amateur Pages... while I'm building sandcastles, Lensman and his crew are slaving away in an office...

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Boneprone-4-Life

You're dillusional bro. You wouldn't trade doing 5 times the work for 100 times the money..?? You say Amateur Pages allows you to be a lazy ass... well, Lens has 100's of lazy asses making him way richer than you will ever be. If you are comfartable settling for that then remind me not to hitch any of my wagons to your horses !!

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Fly, what you're failing to recognize here, is that paysites ARE the product. Paysites are the ones that generate all the income. Freesites, by comparison, are nothing more than a nice marketing tool for the paysites. Paysites can exist without freesites. They would simply have to find another method of marketing. But freesites cannot exist without paysites. Like I said, who are you going to upsell to?

You don't think paysites make phat coin? How do you think they are able to pay thousands and thousands of webmasters with freesites (marketing tools) to promote them? I would gladly trade the extra time involved in maintaining a paysite for the cash they generate and give up spending all day hangin' out on a messageboard. What a big sacrifice that would be.... I'll take the money.

"If it were not for the TRAFFIC of freesites the paysites would go broke. "
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Thats a capital fucking WRONG.

The traffic is going to be there until the day people quit looking for porn. If the paysites told the freesites they weren't buying traffic any more the free sites would have two options.

1. Build their own paysite to send their traffic to.

2. Throw the traffic around among each other and have a good time watching stat counters instead of cashing paychecks.

The one who gets the money from the surfer is the one with the power in the equation. Don't get confused.

Hmm... nope.

I'd rather do 1/5th the work for 100 times the money.

Must be that new math.

And the money buying into all of CCbills programs comes from where?

If you had no webmasters pushing your programs, you would go broke.

Wrong again buddy. The product is the *content*... the pics... the movies... the interactive cam shows... The paysite is just packaging.

You don't need a paysite to get the content either... If it's not freesites then it's going to be a Napster type proggie like Morpheus where you can download porn movies for free until your dick is blue.
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my nuts are really starting to itch.

Alright Fly... you have obviously huffed too much silver spray paint today... I'm not gonna try to discuss common sense with you when you have none.

Im watching the movie Time Cop right now. Is this one of the best movies of all time or what!!

Silver paint! I love it! My freind Dank used to really do that shit full time!

He said the gold paint was the best!
They would shoplift it from the store, spray it in socks, and inhale big time!

He really liked the Gold..

Is silver really that good too? He told me one color was real bad, almost deadly, but I forgot what color it was..

No we wouldnt, I don't know why you can't figure this concept out.

We are a payment processor for porn sites and as long as people buy porn, we'll be just fine.

There are many many people out there who don't run webmaster programs but who do have their own traffic, and they make more per sale than the ones who do run reseller programs.

Just because there are free sites and pay sites doesn't mean one can't exist without the other.

The one that actually gets the money from the surfer can but the one who depends on someone else to pay them for porn sales can't.

I Agree!

I think it's silver... http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

Is it on free TV...or did you pay to see it http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

Kimmy Kim, are you betting on Oregon State today? Shit 11 points thats a lot to give em! I know Washington State is hot, but come on!! OSU plus 11?? WTF? Thats a lot of points huh!

you are right, I could have sworn it was silver. How do you know this! Wow, you are a well rounded indvidual! Know a bit about everything!

Paysites are the fuckin' Sunday Gazette. Freesites are the 9 year old paperboy bringin' it to your door. The kid's still makin' money, but honestly... who do you think is gettin' the bigger payday? If you can't clearly see that... well, that's probably why you're still drivin' that '72 Pinto.

Time cop is on Cable!
I love Van Dam and his tight little ass.

Reminds me of my lil bitch The Anal Hobbit.

Discovery Channel. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

But where is da traffic going to come from?

Im starting a paysite in a week or so. Im going to be depending on my own, and others freesites to bring me traffic. I just see any other way of getting around it.

I don't remember who I took in the pool today honestly -- I had a crazy day going on and then right when I sat down to do the sheet, the school called and I had an emergency with my son.

I circled a bunch of games and ran out the door, with no copy of the sheet http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/frown.gif

I know for sure I won on the Miami game lol.

Trying to do my Sunday pics now ~

Bone...

Just Say NO to Sports Gambling!!!

Dont let Kim peer pressure you into it.

on a serious note, I hope everythig is ok with your son. And I hope he still has that new bike.

Search engines, exit consoles, mailers, you name it. Many sponsors run their own link and top lists and cycle traffic around in their system til it's beat to death http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

If you want some help with that pay site, just let me know, I don't care who you use for processing either. I'd like to see you do well with it. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Wow - that is fucking brilliant !!

Well, it's pretty smart anyway http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

This argument is so stupid I think he's just fucking around trying to stir shit.

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That's the point Ex... there's no need to worry about that because there ARE plenty of freesites out there to generate sales from. Why fix something that ain't broke? But to say that paysites can't survive without them is nuts... that's like saying [insert company example here] can't exist without three-fold color brochures.... NOT. They just find a new way to market. But it does not work conversely. If paysites were wiped from the face of the Net tomorrow... what would you sell your freesite visitors? Discount hard drives?

Wow, I appreciate that...thanks http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Sure thing, just let me know when you're ready http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

So this is about power? Power over who? I Not free sites... I hope that's not what you mean because that's the attitude that pisses me off... A freesite can choose among dozens of paysites... so where is this power? Like you said we can build our own paysites -- with the same content. A paysite has much less freedom and more responsibilities than a freesite does -- so I don't know what you mean when you say a paysite has power.

Seems to me the freesites have the power. Do freesites ever ask paysites if they can have permission to sign up? Hell no. Paysites spend money at conventions on advertising and booths and parties because of freesites... they want our traffic... because traffic=money. Who has the power now? All the glitz and glamour is a lot of smoke screen for who is really in control...

Do you think Lensman had the adult.com party because he needed more friends? I doubt it. Did he have that party to show us how cool he was -- how much money he had? I don't think so.

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Whatever fly. The paper and the paperboy equation summed it up best.

Anyway these credit processor companies will be out of biz in a few years I can guarantee it...

The future is micropayments. That's a fact. Already porn paysites are jumping onto the Paypal bandwagon -- they only change a 3% fee, not 15%...

It's only a matter of time before the whole net is working on just micropayments with electronic money or equiv. -- and freesites. People only sign up for paysites out of ignorance. "The truth will out..."

If you know your history of technology and computing you would know that information wants to be free and it always has been. Open hardware specifications, open source software, and now the free spirit of the internet -- tax free, free flowing and free linking... And there's nothing that can stop it.

There will be a paradigm shift.

And Boneprone shut the fuck up about spraypaint and your movies -- I'm trying to be serious. haha

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Interesting, paypal lost 200 million according to their last report. Hey Kimmy, how many hundreds of millions did CCBILL loose?

FLY, You still smoking crack from last nite or have you already started today?

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Damn this cross posting is killing me Gary. At least I can look downstairs and see you smoking crack http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif



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thats what i thought.

Damn that Time cop was a good movie.
Lets see whats on now. Hmmm.

Nutty Professor 2
Ghostbusters

seem to be the only good movies on right now.

Looks like College Football for the rest of the day.

Texas OU was sweet http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

Anyway make your jokes now but I'm usually right about the future of the computer industry.

As for your paperboy analogy -- sorry your logic backfires. Newspapers are and will lose even more money to electronicly provided news -- internet, wireless devices, etc... The "news" is information and just like the graph of a curve will find the highest distribution to the masses with the least distribution expense. The economic role of the middle man will be reduced -- and the news providers (ie: the content providers) -- will play a more significant role...

Anyway the day of the paperboy will soon be over... and so will your analogy... along with the paper that it *wasn't* written on.

Why do you think they call me Yoda?

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Boneprone-4-Life

you must be stoned