an interesting point
 

One of the European Unions commissioners made an interesting point about the attacks on the US today

He said that arrogant behavior tends to cause a lot of hate..........

After reading most of the posts on this board about the attack I thought that this applies very much

There are two sides to everything. Without hate, there can be no love. If someone is arrogant, feel free to hate them. Hell, you can hate someone for whatever reason you want. Nothing wrong with a little hate.

Doesn't justify slaughtering thousands.

What he was referring to was the arrogant US foreign policy in the past decades.
Didn't cause a lot of joy around the world...
There is a reason that the US is the most hated nation in the world.

Personally I don't have a problem with the US. I love it. I lived there for more than 1 year. But I can see why especcially Muslims hate the US. The arab nations have been fucked over and over again...

Blah, blah, blah

Hey PM - chill out!
Your own arrogance is showing.
Jeez!

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But Always Remember The USA Never Tried To Rid The Planet Of Another Race Of Human Beings. Your Country Did. Ask The Jews Who's Arrogant.

I guess a lot of guys on this board would like to get rid of all muslims..

I also feel that I'm not at all responsible for what my grandfather did more than half a century ago. I condemm it but I don't feel responsible

What did your grandfather do?

I was referring to the generation of my grandfathers

Okay.... what did they do?

Atleast holocaust denial is a crime in Germany.

Its kind of like our generations not being responsible for slavery.

Meister, if you're talkin' about the holocaust, you're right. You're not responsible. Same as I'm not responsible for a bunch of assholes that kept slaves.

But what does this have to do with arrogance?

The reason I made this post was that I saw some posts from grown up people (I guess they are grown up) wanting to a-bomb Afghanistan.
What do you think this would be?
A crime agains humanity ... YES
the start of a new world war ... YES
stat sponsored terrorism ... YES

Even if they just sent ground troops. What will they achieve? Maybe they will capture bin Laden after months or years of fighting. One should never forget what the sovjets faced in Afghanistan. I saw several sovjet generals on television lately that said that no nation will be able to win a war in Afghanistan

Well, they must be right. So I guess we better roll up the doors, hide in the fucking corner, and wait and hope that they'll be more merciful next time.

Fuck that.

All I'm saying is that if they invade Afghanistan it will be like Vietnam all over again. You can't win a war against fanatics that know every square inch of their country.
Do you really think that terrorism is gonna stop after they capture bin laden and other top terrorists? I believe that their will be 10 more terrorists for everyone you kill. Do you seriously think that there won't be even more terrorist attacks?
If they attack Afghanistan or other countrys they will loose all the support they have right now in the muslim world.

Putting pressure on Isreal and Arraffat would do a lot more than trying to kill all terrorists. They have millions of potential suicide killers over there.
To resolve this permanently you've got the eliminate the cause of the evil not its symptoms!

Wrong. Read up on what really happened with Vietnam. It didn't have anything to do with them knowing the terrain.

Can you say H-Bomb? That'll pretty much eliminate everything. The cause, the symptoms, the bugs, the bushes, the sheep....

very funny

do you think h-bombing afghanistan would solve the problem?

No, but nuking Iraq, Afghanistan, and the rest of the countries that engage in terrorist practices collectively might.

Oh sure, there might be some left over... but honestly... who would fucking dare try terrorist shit again after that? Knowing what they can expect in return.

doing that would make you not better than the terrorists.

I don't think that it would make the US very popular around the world.
This kind of attitude cause the attack on the WTC....

Don't confuse arrogance with confidence.

Yes... it does. Terrorists hide. We're not hiding. We're making it very clear what's going to happen and who's doing it and why.

See.... there you go... attitude didn't cause anything. They fuckin' hit us because they're murderous fanatical assholes. Not because of some attitude. You may as well have said "We deserved it".

Hey guys, what the hell is all the bullshit about H-bombing!
U ever heard of Chernobyl?
U ever seen it?
U ever were there?

Yeah... so? Chernobyl was a fuck up. Not a planned retaliation.

kimmykim

I'm sure America was confident they'd win in Vietnam until they lost
I'm sure they were confident the the Shah of Persia(today Iran) would be in power forever until Khomeni took over
After that they were very confident that Saddam Hussein would be a friend forever (they supported Iraq after Khomeni took over)

Sometimes there is just no reason to be confident.
And this is one of those times. Fighting a war in terrain like Afghanistan against people that would gladly sacrifice their lives is crazy. It's just impossible to win.

and a planned retaliation would cause less radioactivity than a fuck up?

It doesnt mater if it was a fuck up or anything else. Just realize what will happen with if they h-bomb the terretory like this one

Nothing is impossible. I think we've been shown that last week.

You think I'm saying H-Bomb the fuck outta them so they can plant a flower garden in the hole? I know full well what it will do.

Don't mistake the confidence of the government with the confidence of the people.

A nation divided is one thing, a nation attacked at its' core by a group of two bit terrorists is another thing entirely.

so what do you think will happen after they capture bin laden?
Do you think all the muslims will just walk away and say: "Alright! We loose you win. Lets be friends"

What you will achieve with attacks are millions of pissed muslims. And millions that would do anything to destroy America.

Bullshit. The millions of Muslims that live by their religion have about as much resemblance to the terrorists as those great Christians Falwell and Robertson do to the Christians on this board.

Funny... they already do. They attack us and we hold back... our ships... we do nothing... our embassys.... we threaten...

When is it enough for you? When they slaughter every last person in the world? Is that when we should start thinking about doing something?

By then it's too fucking late.

What you will achieve with attacks are millions of pissed muslims. And millions that would do anything to destroy America.
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I guess we will have to destroy them first

I was just thinking this earlier today. We had the aniv of Chernobyl recently and over in the UK atleast we had a lot of programs about the effect it is STILL having on the land and people of that area.

It shows us just how devistating it can be in an area and for how long.

What do you think we should do with those that manage to survive afterwards. Its not like they could live on their already devistated land.

Give 'em shovels and tell 'em to start fixing it.

Comparing a power plant disaster with deliberately dropping a bomb on someone isn't really a good comparison.

America had Three Mile Island way before Chernobyl so it's not like we've been immune to that sort of thing.

I don't understand what you are trying to accomplish here? Are you apologizing for Bin Laden? Are you saying we should just let him go? Turn the other cheek, AGAIN? Are you saying we should invite them for brunch? Maybe we should call him up on his cell phone and ask him not to kill any more people? Just what the fuck ARE you saying?

Vengeance
are you really serious about h-bombing the whole region?
I just can't believe that a intelligent human beeing would believe something like that

I think you already know the answer to that.

B-O-O-M....

Be glad we are merely porn webmasters on a message board. Because if I was the guy behind the big red button on the US Nuke Machine, Afghanistan and Iraq both, would already be nothing more than big glass holes.

I'm saying that you won't achieve anything by attacking Afghanistan. By doing so you would do exactly as he wants you to. Cause if the US attacks Afghanistan almost ALL muslims will support bin laden.

bin laden is evil. but you can't deal with him until you deal with Israel and Palestine. Palestine is where hijacking planes was 'invented'
And Palestine is the key to calm down the region.
I'm not defending bin Laden in any way. He deservers harsh punishment. The problem is that you can't punish him without creating a lot more problems than you already have.

Do you really think that the US will be more successful in Afghanistan than the sovjets? Smartbombs are useless in Afghanistan. You can only use the same weapons the sovjets used.
When the sovjets invaded the Afghans were not trained in war. By now they have had 20 years of civil war. You are gonna loose

We'll see about that.

You know? Sometimes I'm really speechless after reading what some people are writing, especially when they are talking about h-bombing . Those terrorists were brainwashed, but what should I think of people who want to h-bomb Afghanistan?

why dont u h-bomb the whole world?
all the fucking terrorists will be dead SURE AS HELL

Think whatever you want.

But please explain to me why this is not a viable option. If we send our forces over there to do the job, we are going to end up losing even more of our people. Why not let one big ass shockwave do the work for us, get it over with, and be back in time for some cold beer and a round of golf.

Now THAT'S extreme.

ok, u do this and 10 days afterwards they do the same somewhere in the us.

Did I miss something? How the fuck are they gonna do shit after that H-Bomb hits? Dead people can't fight back.

I leave for a couple hours and the germans are trying to start another world war.