RELAX! Porn is going nowhere..
 

If Bush or anyone else decides to regulate the industry, it might not be as bad as you think.

Free porn may have to be turned into paid porn.

At that point it will not be that hard for free sites to go with companies who have pay solutions for them set up already.

Imagine this:

You are a free movie site and you don't know the first thing about getting your own processor and/or anything else but getting traffic, there are companies who will provide co=branded skins to make look as if its your own and do your processing and content management for you.

So what if Free porn is no longer aloud....

Don't you think people will still pay for smut?

This will only clean up the bullshit and keep the real players alive.

Its not that bad.


Although vague obscenety laws can be disturbing.

Yeh, porn is not going anywhere, but a lot of the people on this board may be going somewhere and it ain't a pretty place.

Yeah...

Sorry Marty your wrong.

Now that the Supremes will be swapping a little it gives AssCraft every piece of ammo he needs to start lockin people down.
Things do not get much Vague than the 2257 Proposal.

I guess it will be written in stone now.

i really hope you're right dude, i really do. i am thinking positive right now, even tho it's hard.

Wrong. Surfers will just get their free porn from webmasters who don't live in the US. And there are tons of them.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AN END TO FREE PORN -- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN END TO PORN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is so hard for you guys to understand about this?

please go back in your hole, you are truly retarded

Exclusive conetent is what alot of poeple are going with... most small companies will go bye bye :2 cents:

Yep.

Of course not. And I'm guessing this is just nothing at all.

Thats the direction we are headed in. Webmasters will be safe promoting us. We took the measures to become compliant with the Proposed Regs if they happen to pass. took us 6 months and 1000's of man hours.




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this industry will hurt if free porn is gone
but there will always be free porn on the net NO MATTER what you do

and people will find it :)

You are an idiot. Bush wants you to go to PRISON.

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YA, are you forgetting that Bush is a republican and he likes money?

Free porn = no tax dollars

paid porn = lots of tax dollars



idiot=you

Do you for one minute think maybe he is not interested in loosing all the money that comes from porn when he knows you can still have porn coming from offshore countries?

Bush is not interested in loosing the funds that add to this country from porn businesses.

It only helps his warchest.

Porn is chump change to the guys in the Warmonger biz.

Remember they blew through trillions in Iraq.
For every 1 dollar Osama spent the USA spent a Million.

Ya think The Bushies they will throw a bone to the religeous nutcases?
I think they will, its pocket change they do not mind ruining to placate the god fearing men and women and reinforce there religious facade of "Family values".

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Watch how fast Asscraft puts Rob Blacks nuts in a sling.

The government can regulate US businesses only

Foriegn webmasters will continue to do as they please

It remains to be seen how they will go after porn on the web ... it's likely that they will make examples of a few people.

Skate and cross the line with violent and abusive porn (like rob black) and you're going to shine the light on yourself no doubt, however - nobody is really safe.

2257?

Yeah, that's another issue - clean your dirty porn houses and try to follow the rules as closely as possible and you "SHOULD BE" ok!

.... well, hopefully

:winkwink:

That is understandable, maybe i should elaborate...


Not everyone in the U.S. will go offshore so what i am saying is that there will be alternatives to those who decide to stay here.

And i am talking about copa more than i am about 2257.

They'll alwasy try to use the "fight to eradicate porn" as a diversion from the war and other idomestic issues, as well as 'pay back" for the religious rights support

:2 cents:

Why does Visa hate porn so much if it makes so much money? Wouldn't they want to process as much as they can for all kinds of sites just to get all that they can. They're a business after all and love money.

Bottom line guys, tone down your extreme porn sites and build up more mainstream sites.

You're sitting ducks if you don't.

I hope you guys are right Marty and J$tyles.

Content is gonna get hit, foriegn webmasters will have the advantage.

Even the financial tide is changing with transactions abroad.

Lunch sometime again would be nice J$tyles:)

Anytime.

So much money? Its not even a blip on the radar screen out of the billions of transactions visa processes.

Spam and spyware are going down.

Not everyone is from the united states to begin with ... webmasters internationally would quickly feast on any legal constraints we face here domestically, and rightfully attempt to take advantage

but, whenever there are regulations ... opportunities for smart people are opened

:2 cents:

I don't know what Bush will do with the industry. They may leave it, destroy it, whatever.

But the point you raise is exactly what a lot of people miss. The distinction between porn existing andthe people involved in porn.

Yes, PORN will ALWAYS be around. It's not going anywhere. The same doesn't hold true for any individual involved in porn.

If all Russian porn webmasters were locked up, would porn end? No, but it would suck for Russian porn webmasters. Similarly if US porn webmasters couldn't produce it any more, porn would still exist, but it would that really matter if you're locked up?

Everybody agrees that porn isn't going anywhere. We're concerned with US webmasters being able to work in porn.

Visa/Mastercard do not hate porn.

They hate the fact that porn has high risks for chargebacks which can make them loose money.

AGREED if things DO go completely wrong

:winkwink:

Email Dave at Pornkings.com he can get you the answer from the tech dept.

I'm not sure

So you're saying that 2% in chargebacks makes them lose money? That's why they prefer to shut down processors earning millions in good fair sales, because of the 1-2% of chargebacks they produce?

Doesn't seem right.

I think what a lot of people on this board are suddenly becoming aware of, is how badly run the porn business is.

If you want to sell burgers you have a health inspector come in and make sure you're not shitting in the fries.

If you want to do nails its a year+ in school and a state cert.

doing SMOG CHECKS requres a cert (at least in my state)

Doing porn? Nothing. I know 5 people in this biz that were doing it at 17 years old or less and includes 2 models who told me after the fact.

When you look around and realize that 90% of the people you do business with are tax evading jackasses without any paperwork to cover their asses on any important issues, it can make you scared. This is what we're seeing.


Remember that both CDA and COPA were passed on Clinton's watch (if liberals can say 9/11 happened on Bush's, then I can say CDA happened on Clinton's) :)

to me it's not so much about them passing a copa type law. If that happens it will be challenged in court and in most cases be struck down. The supreme court itself said in it's last ruling on copa that only 40% of the free porn comes from US based webmasters so regulating it is basically a worthless fight. What could be scary is obscenity cases. They can go after just about anything, anywhere. Will they win? So far they have yet to win a case where the people fought back, but I wonder how many people on this board have the money to put up a long, involved defense?

I was never worried about bush making another copa like law, remeber the first one came under clinton. What I am worried about is bush and his christian fundementalist coming after people with obscenity charges.

hopefully all of the people on this board and others that supported bush were right and nothing will happen. . . I guess we have to wait and see.

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I hope that means you are closing your site, and leaving the board . . .your ignorance is really becoming annoying

I think perhaps we can take Online Gambling as a parallel.

I think that Gambling sites are illegal in the US (correct? I'm not 100% certain). But they used to be legal here. They were driven offshore instead of simply being 'regulated'.

Did online gambling stop? No, it's still here and it's here to stay. Are there companies located in the US operating gambling sites? Not likely if it's illegal.

Is gambling morally wrong? No. Is gambling obscene? No.

Is offline gamgling legal? Yes

So theoretically online porn can also be removed from the US. It doesn't mean porn is going to end, but it means your ability to work in porn if you live in the US sure can.

And if gambling really is illegal in the US, wouldn't it have been better to legalize it, but regulate it, so that the Government can earn tax dollars from it? After all online gambling is an even larger industry than porn.

If it didn't work for gambling, why would it work for adult, which has just as many if not more negatives in the public view (it's dirty, immoral, degrading, etc)

Shhhhhhh ...

You're making too much sense

lol

LOL thanks Jay. I'm seriously throwing this question out for answers. Hearing people go on and on about how "porn is here to stay, it's been around since the middle ages" gets old. We already know that. We know porn is here to stay, but we don't know if we'll be allowed to make our line of business as US citizens. But maybe they know something I don't. I want to learn.

I know that if I was a hardline Republican and with all the CP crap online, I would draft a bill to eradicate ALL porn. That way it's cost effective. You don't have to see if this one or that one is following 2257 notices bullshit. Just remove all US based porn and the CP problem is easier to stop because any porn in the US is illegal.

Gambling is legal in certain parts of the country, it's just not legal in most.


I guess You can't really say that for anything because then we could say the same for arms,prostitution drugs etc...

I do see your point.

Cool Marty.

Just trying to provide an example of where all our "fears" were actually realized. People keep saying "we'll be fine, they can't remove porn, what we do is legal". Well maybe the gambling site owners said the same thing. In the end, they weren't fine.

If it was just a matter of regulation, than online gambling would be legal because they could make a killing in tax dollars from it.

"medical marijuana" is legal in some places

prostitution is legal in some parts of Nevada ...

guns are legal throughout the country with proper paper work ... hell, you could get one as a FREEBIE in some bank in Michael Moore's "Bowling for Colombine" when you open a checking account or CD or some shit

Gambling is becoming legal in more areas every year

it's all pretty odd actually

Exactly. Which is why I doubt they would be concerned about extracting tax dollars from us. If they decided to squash us, it wouldn't even be noticed by Visa, the economy, or the government coffers.

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Marty nice idea but free porn is here to stay, if it can't be hosted in the USA it will be hosted in Canada or Amsterdamn or whereever. Instead of 2 meg mpegs we'll drop to 1 meg mpegs and move all hosting to Canada. And we'll move our processing out of the US problem solved and free porn isn't a bad thing its a good way of getting traffic and offering teaser stuff.

No, that was a Bush voter trying to rationalize his stupidity.