Ahh, I love it when "models" promote their own sites...
 

Models for major well-known affiliate programs doing promotion - themselves? I shoot models for major affilate programs, and I'm friends with a good amount of content providers. We write them a check and send them on their way. They don't talk to the program owners, or even photographers about this biz. They don't know about "affiliate programs", tours, conversions, sales, market saturation, niches... or anything like that. They only care about doing their job... getting naked, and getting paid.

However, and here's the interesting part... we log onto GFY and we see these supposed "models" posting photos of their latest "shoot", etc. For one thing, there are no models in the adult biz that I've seen... or even heard of, that are given the responsiblity of promoting their own sites. That would be like leaving a sites success in the hands of someone that has zero business knowledge / experience, and someone that does not even care about these things. Like I said, they just want to get naked and get paid, in and out.

If I could find a model that had all of these characteristics, no doubt I would use them to their fullest. But I think that's a far fetched idea, to think about models working that angle in this biz. Don't all of you program owners posing as "models" feel a little stupid knowing we know without a shadow of a doubt that you're really just a poseur model? Do you think webmasters really care if they're talking to the model herself, or the program owner? Don't you think we'd RATHER be talking to someone with some actual business knowledge?? Why don't you just get the fuck to the point and say you're the damn webmaster for the site and you're looking for traffic. And don't fucking tell me this hot blonde chick you found in the newspaper who does adult entertainment knows anything worth a damn about the things that make this business make money... I've gone through enough models (hundreds) to know these girls don't exist unless we're in GFY Fantasy Land.

Food for thought. :2 cents:

Good point.

GFY is fiction in a lot of ways. :2 cents:

and i was hoping to get to know these models... :(

i was hoping for a date or two too :(

Well said

good post.

Noah who are u talking about? Arika Ames posts here, she's the real deal, Vanilla posts here, she's the real deal, Ivy, Allie and others the same thing.

I don't know any models posing as if they were running the program which markets the site they are the star of.

maybe i don't understand your post :helpme

you need to stop holding it in! Tell us how you really feel ....

There are plenty of single girls who run their own sites with a good head on their shoulders and business sense.

I'm just a sexy girl :girl

Dan, I just find it funny that there are so many beautiful women that post here, and do so much great site promotion. They speak all the technical lingo, and sound - almost like one of us!

Except I think GFY needs to take a step back, take their dicks out of their hands, and think to themselves "gee, I wonder if I'm talking to a model... or a program owner / affliliate rep?"

I don't believe a word of that! It'd be in the best interest of the model to post on webmaster board to get more affliates (yes, some guys like the hot girls here ) therefore more sales... makes sense to me why they'd be here...

How can you prove that it's program owners or their reps that'd posting as the girls?
There's a lot of models/ webmistresses out there.

I can tell you don't shoot much content. Do me a favor, and try this little experiment. Take out ads in 10 major alternative papers in your area. This will bring in approximately 120 phone calls a day from men and women.

Weed through those calls and conduct an interview with each and every one of them. Say things like "Look, we're seeking women that can bring in sales and manage / support affiliates as well as keep an eye on how well your content is converting on the site tour..." And tell me how well that goes for you.

My prediction is 99% of them will not know what the fuck you're talking about, and will think you're insane. The ones that will pretend to know what you're talking about will be full of shit and desparate enough for money to try to convince you otherwise.

Until you've actually talked to the ACTUAL models, and the ACTUAL people that do this type of work, I don't think you can hypothesize with any degree of accuracy as to likelyhood that a model would promote their own site.

:2 cents:

I understand what you're saying - but it doesn't take away from the truth that there ARE a number of single girl amateurs who promote their own sites, run their own programs, etc. We have dealt with both types over the last 6 years, so I know what you mean - but a blanket generality simply isn't true.

actually I do know a good number of models and I know webmistresses who run (and sometimes built) their site 100%, Dragonlily, Linda Tran, asia carrera, Elli, madison stone, kylie rey and lots of other amatuers on the boards as well.

Putting out an ad in the paper and getting ppl know know nothing about the biz is a totally different thing.

More accurately, their boyfriend / pimp promotes their site, and runs their own program... and puts his girlfriend in front of the camera for promo / shout-outs / signs / ass-kissing photos to GFY surfers.

I've known girls who do it. I know the reality behind it too. There's a guy holding the camera in every photo that you see posted on GFY, you realize that right? Ok, just checking.

Gotcha - so this isn't a discussion, but a hate-thread disguised as a discussion.

I don't participate in those - I'm out.

You are off your rocker.

yep yep...and most of those girls shoot their own content.. :glugglug

hahaha

:1orglaugh

I've delt with so many models in the past few years it would blow your mind. I'm just making a very simple observation, regarding the types of people that are in front of the camera in this business. There's quite a difference between models, and the people behind the camera.

It doesn't sound like you have much hands-on experience in the content production side of this business if you really - deep down, feel like there's honesty behind the threads you see posted here by models.

If you feel it's hateful to question people's motives, then so be it.

We have 6 years of hands on experience, hiring, shooting, working with 'talent.'

As I said earlier - I know the types of girls you're talking about. But you state a blanket generality, and then allow no variance to it, along with a misogyinistic spin that I'm tired of seeing. If that wasn't your intention, I apologize for misinterpreting.

People have given examples where this is not the case. Keep in mind that just about EVERY single girl amateur site on the early web (which are some that had the most success) did not come from the 'industry'. They developed independent of it. Those in the adult film industry caught onto the web later.

Your 'reality' is not a complete picture, but sounds like it's entirely grounded in the film end of the industry, dealing with talent, which is not the same pond. We've swum in both, and seen plenty of what you're talking about. But it's not the whole picture.

hmmm.... it sounds like you have a very very low opinion of women. Why would you think that "more accurately" a man is behind their sites? and "puts" his girlfriend in front of a camera? I guess you're calling guys pimps and women brainless??

extremely well said codymc12, there's much more to the big picture

ive got two words for you...

asia
carrera

Well said, a lot of exceptions around.

I understand entirely where you're coming from. It's the online adult world vs the regular adult world. In the online world, this is a time of mass-production cookie-cutter programs and solo-girl sites, where there's a lot of deception about who's a character and who's a person... or a model for that matter. Jenni of Jennicam.org for instance, that's a girl who knows the business... not a poseur. There simply aren't as many models who know this business like they'd want you to believe.

But for every Jenni there's 3000 fakes that want you to believe their the person calling the shots.

And for all of those who are thinking I'm speaking lowly of women. Not at all. I know many, many wonderful and extremely intelligent women that I love very dearly. Models fall a bit short in the brain capacity in this business, and you still cannot convince me that a good number of them on this very message board - GFY LaLa Land - are the ones that are in control of their sites, and affiliate programs. If you think otherwise, you are truely kidding yourselves. :2 cents:

Cody pretty much summed up everything very well.

Have you ever met Vanilla or Allie or Arika or Kayla or Sunny? Have you ever spoke with them? If you sat down and had a conversation with them only to discover that they do know what HTML and PHP is, would you still be hellbent on thinking they're only eye candy and don't know anything about business?

I've talked to Sunny Leone on 2 separate occasions and asked her specific questions about her program. Not only did she know the answers, but nobody was standing next to her feeding the information. So Sunny must know a thing or two, or someone fed her with LOTS of information.

Then you either haven't been in the business long enough, or you are limited to seeing only the production side of the business.

One of our models came to us nearly four years ago because she needed some quick cash. During this time we've become good friends with her. She's been to dozens of shows, and met hundreds of people in the industry. She's sat in on meetings between multimillionaires dicussing traffic and conversation ratios. Although she doesn't post on GFY, she understands this business inside and out. And, this model is about to graduate college wth a business degree.

In some cases we get models who show up, do the work, get a check, and go home. But others stick around and learn from it.

While I'm sure there are many "models" on here who are their keeper's posting under their names, there are also many others who own their own program and run it themselves.

I understand what you're saying but off the top of my head I really can't think of any specific model running around on GFY right now. Somebody obviously riled you up, who specifically did you have in mind?

Good post. I think you're right. That's all I was saying. There's an awful lot of attention that gravitates towards model threads, and especially threads that were supposedly started by these models. Just leads to a lot of speculation... makes me think about all the manipulative things people do to get a few signups to their programs.

Okay - I do see where you are coming from on that, and I appreciate you giving a nod to the other. I had to speak up about it, because that's the area we worked with for many years specifically (amateur), and we know a lot of good people as a result of it.

Things have definately gone more 'corporate' for sure. I think a big part of that is that it's simply harder for a single individual (female or not) to startup a site of their own. And yes, I'm sure there are plenty of false identities.

When you add GFY as a specificity - I'd say yes, that the percentage goes up. After all - we have plenty of people who say they are webmasters on this board, and there are lots of times that's obviously a false identity.

No offense intended to the real webmasters. :) Edit - and webmistresses, of course. :)

This is one for an example. I could dig up hundreds if I really did some searching. A model promoting NSCash. Hardy har har. :1orglaugh

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=372624&s=

One last thing, since we're on the subject, and then I have to run - going to see 'Team America.' :)

I see posts at times where someone posts a pic, and asks for opinions about whether or not she'd be good for a single girl site. Then I watch as hypercritical opinions are given.

And I'm sorry, but I have to shake my head . Give me one decent looking girl - and I mean decent, not 'amazing', with a really good personality, and she can make money. Interaction and personality combined with decent looks will trump the 'perfect pic' by many 100's of thousands of dollars - in that genre at least.

Exceptions being, of course, the absolute perfect girl, particularly in a niche area (teen, busty), with large corporate backing.

But the dismissiveness I see at times - it amazes me in it's naivete, and absolute lack of understanding of the single girl niche.

not to step on any toes but half of the "experts" here would not be able to do real world business if their lives depended on it. Business here is damn near 180 from what goes on in brick and mortar business. People could not talk to each other the way they do here, they could not shave and fuck each other over like this, the "business" practices would get them blacklisted by others in the industry and customers alike. The lazyness and practices as well as lack of good management skills would quickly have these guys filing bankruptcy. Sorry but running a web site with maybe 400-500 in overhead a month and paying for photographers and talent or just buying it from someone else in bulk is nothing like running a business with 1000.00 in rent, payroll, employees, quarterly taxes, maintenance, land lords, suppliers, shippers, customers in your face and scheduling.

Never talked to Ivy, Ellie, Punker or Vanilla but have read their posts and they are all very intelligent and classy. I have talked to Arika a few times and she is a very intelligent and level headed woman and was very impressed with her.

I am not really sure I can agree with you on this one :helpme




ohhh ok re-read, I think he is talking about people like VanessaG not the ladies who really are business here, correct?

im sorry but meet MR MORON who just posted this....

models and girls are the industry, they ware what makes us, many are waking up to the fact that they can do it on their own. stay tuned. u are nothing without them.

exactly what i was thinking when reading xenigos post

Alright, i understand what triggered this accusation from you, sorry if I was harsh in any way, but I do know a lot of smart women out there who are models and can talk biz just as well as the rest.

now when I look back, if she was a webmaster she'd have her affiliate code while plugging NScash. heh.

I'm not sure who VanessaG is, but I do agree with what you said about most people not running a very tight ship. I'm not talking about Ivy, Ellie, Punker or Vanilla either. And I've met Kayla in person, and I know she's part of this business. What I'm talking about are the endless stream of "women" and "models" doing site promotion as if they're the ones in front of the camera AND the one that runs the site. 90% of the time it's the webmaster coming online as the model to promote his sites.

Ok I understand, I understand 100% percent. He is talking about ladies who come at you like they are running the show behind their sites, telling you about numbers and how well you will do with HER when she has no control over anything. Does not happen as much here as some other places, but I have seen it, also from sales reps.......

You need to be kidding of course. Talk to Danni Ashe or since she does not come here try Elli. They do pretty well in different magnitudes doing and promoting their own sites.

You seem to be having some issues lately. Take a break.

sales/marketing reps who are hired for no other reason other than they're cute and are paid to flirt on chatboards and at conventions - that's different than the girls who actually model, those kinda reps like BozoBucksBrenda are tremendously annoying, and I don't get annoyed with them, but the douchebags who hire them. models put their little butts on the line and without them there is no business.

I haven't seen any fakes here, webmasters posing as a model of a site. Amy Lee from BrainCash posted here a few weeks ago - half the guys in her thread didn't believe it was her so she had to post a webcam pic of herself posting on GFY.

Here's your first fake. Read towards the bottom, I put something interesting in there.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=372624&s=

Danni Ashe and Elli are the exceptions, not the rule. There are many many more who are nothing of that sort.

you mean i have been flirting with new breed i feel so cheap.

It seems to me that you have something against the idea that there are women in this industry that have the body and the brains to do this work.

Did your mother mistreat you or something???

Step out from behind your computer, and try to meet women like this.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=372624&s=

I want you to confirm that the person posting on GFY is the ACTUAL "Terri Summers" in the photos. How is the thought of questioning this idiotic board activity implying that women in this in this industry don't have the body and brain to do this work? I've never said that. And how exactly does that translate to my mother mistreating me? That's a laugh.