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daveylapoo 10-15-2004 12:04 PM

C&D on domain - NOW what do I do?
 
I got http://palm1tv.com

They got http://palmonetv.com

Got the c&d today. Do i hand it over to them, or.......

I think I'm way out of my league here, but would sure appreciate some of the bigger players opinions on this.

BradM 10-15-2004 12:05 PM

You're hooped. Hand it over and tell them you're happy to comply.

Giorgio_Xo 10-15-2004 12:05 PM

Fight it. I hate punk as corps.

AVM 10-15-2004 12:06 PM

Is it any surprise?

Go to your site, you publicly list the domain as "for sale". That is like openly admitting you registered the domain in bad faith. Purely for financial gain. Sitting duck right now.

Hand it over.

Giorgio_Xo 10-15-2004 12:07 PM

Convert it into a review and discussion site about Palm One TV service. That will protect you. :)

Lee 10-15-2004 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AVM
Is it any surprise?

Go to your site, you publicly list the domain as "for sale". That is like openly admitting you registered the domain in bad faith. Purely for financial gain. Sitting duck right now.

Hand it over.

Bing.

Fred Quimby 10-15-2004 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
Convert it into a review and discussion site about Palm One TV service. That will protect you. :)
Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding:winkwink:

daveylapoo 10-15-2004 12:11 PM

I sale cheap domain...

Webcam Guru 10-15-2004 12:11 PM

ask them $250 for a quick transfer.
Their other option is to go with WIPO for at least $1500
4 out of 5 times they'll pay.

gornyhuy 10-15-2004 12:11 PM

yeah - the most you could hope for is they pay the transfer charge.

johndoebob 10-15-2004 12:17 PM

They registered it before you, you onviously just for selling it.

Tell them to pay you 10-100$ to cover your expenses and get over it.It was a bad idea registering it anyway.

daveylapoo 10-15-2004 12:24 PM

Has anyone actually been through this before? Any persoanl experience?

johndoebob 10-15-2004 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by daveylapoo
Has anyone actually been through this before? Any persoanl experience?
Yes, with Warner Bros, just get real on your position and make the best out of it (read my post above).

daveylapoo 10-15-2004 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johndoebob
Yes, with Warner Bros, just get real on your position and make the best out of it (read my post above).
Thanks johndoebob, very helpful.

emthree 10-15-2004 12:56 PM

Now why the hell did you reg that?

Hand it over.

daveylapoo 10-15-2004 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by emthree
Now why the hell did you reg that?

Hand it over.

to sell it back to them. did i mention i was drunk that day?

Webmaster_Logic 10-15-2004 01:05 PM

This is one isssue in this biz that pisses me off. Please keep us updated on this matter . I would like to see how this is played out. Ebay tried to pull the same shit with me. But 6 months later i still have the domailn. glugglug

daveylapoo 10-15-2004 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webmaster_Logic
This is one isssue in this biz that pisses me off. Please keep us updated on this matter . I would like to see how this is played out. Ebay tried to pull the same shit with me. But 6 months later i still have the domailn. glugglug
I suppose ultimately, i could make a case out of it, but i just don't have the funds to engage in a legal battle that may or may not make me a dime and in effect, may cost me.

Palm not registering an obvious typo was an error on their behalf. My intent was to inform them of their oversight, and offer to sell it back to them.

In the spirit of fairness, I think if they offer me a small sum for my 'expenses', signing the c&d is the way to go.

Webmaster_Logic 10-15-2004 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by daveylapoo
I suppose ultimately, i could make a case out of it, but i just don't have the funds to engage in a legal battle that may or may not make me a dime and in effect, may cost me.

Palm not registering an obvious typo was an error on their behalf. My intent was to inform them of their oversight, and offer to sell it back to them.

In the spirit of fairness, I think if they offer me a small sum for my 'expenses', signing the c&d is the way to go.

I agree with you 100%. I pick up domains all the time that companys let get deleted. If they were so worried about it why did they let it go. Also i would like to add why do these companys just go after the domain buyer. Why dont they go after the domain registrant's as well since they sold the url for pure profit as well? That what pisses me of they only go after the little guys...:feels-hot

daveylapoo 10-15-2004 01:49 PM

As luck would have, my landlord is also a lawyer :)

I spoke to him, and he has people in his office that deal with Intellectual property rights, and the like.

I not trying to be a cocky bastard, but I want to know what my options are. I'll keep this thread updated

Fake Nick 10-15-2004 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webmaster_Logic
I agree with you 100%. I pick up domains all the time that companys let get deleted. If they were so worried about it why did they let it go. Also i would like to add why do these companys just go after the domain buyer. Why dont they go after the domain registrant's as well since they sold the url for pure profit as well? That what pisses me of they only go after the little guys...:feels-hot

lol, why would they go after the registrar ? they didn't do nothing wrong , it is not like they manually register domains , its an automated process and if someone deceids to register a domain in bad faith , it is not their responsibility ,

xclusive 10-15-2004 02:02 PM

You will either have to come up with alegit use for the site or hand it over. Good luck...

Webmaster_Logic 10-15-2004 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by Fake Nick
lol, why would they go after the registrar ? they didn't do nothing wrong , it is not like they manually register domains , its an automated process and if someone deceids to register a domain in bad faith , it is not their responsibility ,
If a person is buy buying something that is qoute "copyrighted" Aint the person selling it to them just as gulty as well?

LiveDose 10-15-2004 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by daveylapoo
As luck would have, my landlord is also a lawyer :)

I spoke to him, and he has people in his office that deal with Intellectual property rights, and the like.

I not trying to be a cocky bastard, but I want to know what my options are. I'll keep this thread updated


Without funds your options are not good.

daveylapoo 10-15-2004 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LiveDose
Without funds your options are not good.
Couldn't help notice the URL in your profile. Any word from lens yet? :Graucho

MissEve 10-15-2004 02:24 PM

IMHO you will lose the domain and incur legal fees if you fight it. I have been through this with cultureclub.com and I won but it cost me over 10k in legal fees. Pollyesters, a chain of nightclubs, sued me. They had the TM to use Culture Club for bars and nightclubs. Basically WIPO decided that I was probably infringing on Culture Club the band but not Pollyesters. I did sell the domain to them.
http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/deci...2000-0625.html

The test for bad faith is this:
(i) circumstances indicating that you have registered or you have acquired the domain name primarily for the purpose of selling, renting, or otherwise transferring the domain name registration to the complainant who is the owner of the trademark or service mark or to a competitor of that complainant, for valuable consideration in excess of your documented out-of-pocket costs directly related to the domain name; or
(ii) you have registered the domain name in order to prevent the owner of the trademark or service mark from reflecting the mark in a corresponding domain name, provided that you have engaged in a pattern of such conduct; or
(iii) you have registered the domain name primarily for the purpose of disrupting the business of a competitor; or
(iv) by using the domain name, you have intentionally attempted to attract, for commercial gain, Internet users to your web site or other on-line location, by creating a likelihood of confusion with the complainant's mark as to the source, sponsorship, affiliation, or endorsement of your web site or location or of a product or service on your web site or location.


I think you will have a hard time proving you didnt register the name just to sell it to them.

Manowar 10-15-2004 02:26 PM

hand it over.

Fake Nick 10-15-2004 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webmaster_Logic
If a person is buy buying something that is qoute "copyrighted" Aint the person selling it to them just as gulty as well?

so registrars are supposed to check every domain for possible copyright infringement ? :1orglaugh

Webmaster_Logic 10-15-2004 02:32 PM

Why the hell not im paying them for there services aint i? If they fixed this loop hole it would solve alot of problems.

Webmaster_Logic 10-15-2004 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MissEve
IMHO you will lose the domain and incur legal fees if you fight it. I have been through this with cultureclub.com and I won but it cost me over 10k in legal fees. Pollyesters, a chain of nightclubs, sued me. They had the TM to use Culture Club for bars and nightclubs. Basically WIPO decided that I was probably infringing on Culture Club the band but not Pollyesters. I did sell the domain to them.
http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/deci...2000-0625.html

The test for bad faith is this:
(i) circumstances indicating that you have registered or you have acquired the domain name primarily for the purpose of selling, renting, or otherwise transferring the domain name registration to the complainant who is the owner of the trademark or service mark or to a competitor of that complainant, for valuable consideration in excess of your documented out-of-pocket costs directly related to the domain name; or
(ii) you have registered the domain name in order to prevent the owner of the trademark or service mark from reflecting the mark in a corresponding domain name, provided that you have engaged in a pattern of such conduct; or
(iii) you have registered the domain name primarily for the purpose of disrupting the business of a competitor; or
(iv) by using the domain name, you have intentionally attempted to attract, for commercial gain, Internet users to your web site or other on-line location, by creating a likelihood of confusion with the complainant's mark as to the source, sponsorship, affiliation, or endorsement of your web site or location or of a product or service on your web site or location.


I think you will have a hard time proving you didnt register the name just to sell it to them.

Im confuesed here you won but you handed it over to them?

lazycash 10-15-2004 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by daveylapoo
I got http://palm1tv.com

They got http://palmonetv.com

Got the c&d today. Do i hand it over to them, or.......

I think I'm way out of my league here, but would sure appreciate some of the bigger players opinions on this.

When you posted that you bought this a few months back, we told you that you would have wipo issues. I would have taken heed then and sold it as soon as possible.

MissEve 10-15-2004 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webmaster_Logic
Im confuesed here you won but you handed it over to them?
No, I sold it to them after they lost.

Webmaster_Logic 10-15-2004 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MissEve
No, I sold it to them after they lost.
ah ok i got you now :Graucho

MissEve 10-15-2004 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webmaster_Logic
Why the hell not im paying them for there services aint i? If they fixed this loop hole it would solve alot of problems.
When you register a domain you agree to the Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy which includes:
2. Your Representations. By applying to register a domain name, or by asking us to maintain or renew a domain name registration, you hereby represent and warrant to us that (a) the statements that you made in your Registration Agreement are complete and accurate; (b) to your knowledge, the registration of the domain name will not infringe upon or otherwise violate the rights of any third party; (c) you are not registering the domain name for an unlawful purpose; and (d) you will not knowingly use the domain name in violation of any applicable laws or regulations. It is your responsibility to determine whether your domain name registration infringes or violates someone else's rights.

http://www.icann.org/dndr/udrp/policy.htm


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