Every cloud has a silver lining (Ibill)
 

Some bad news and good news! Ibill is apparently having some major setbacks----and this should cause some concern if you are their client. The good news is-----there is a strong company called, eCommerceGlobal, and they are prepared to step up to assist you with your processing needs.

eCommerceGlobal offers free and fast setup with low rates, no monthly fees, live merchant support and live support for your customers, real time transaction reports, one-time and recurring billing, a friendly front and back-end interface, fraud scrubbing, an affiliate tracking program, and much more.

With 8 years of experience in the merchant account and processing business eCommerceGlobal (Unlike Ibill) has multiple banking relationships, thereby providing a more stable and viable future. They are prepared to meet the credit card billing needs of domestic and international adult merchants.

This might be a good time to check them out, either as a primary or backup processor.

No setup fees? Does that mean they're not Visa USA compliant?

These also make me very nervous...

1. Creation Date: 11-aug-2004

2. Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
PMB353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

3. Payment by wire only.

4. ICQ contact listed on signup page is some chick in Brazil with a tag saying she wants to make new friends (!?!?)



Is anyone using this company? Something smells kinda funny... :Oh crap

This company will be gone in 6 months with all of your money who uses them. Stick with the companies that have been around for awhile and do not slam the competition.

Z

How about the scrub controls?

They will pay the compliance fee.

eCommerceGlobal has many parent sites, but this was created for the high-risk (adult) market just recently

you can verify this by Googling

ecommerceglobal

Ibill is not going anywhere, I spoke to a good friend over there today after I heard the bad news, they are already setting up with there fall back plan, so big a company to go out.

We dont process with them, but they thru a good party in Florida, I doubt they will go under...:2 cents:

3. ACH is also available, as stated on the home page, it was not mentioned on the FAQ page, but that has been fixed now.

4. THat was a typo, ICQ was changed on signup page

They have been around for 8 years, and no one is slamming anyone

Sounds like a little waffling going on there. Your first statement is confident, but your last.... is not.

The only fact on this issue is this: At this point no one can say for sure what will happen with ibill.

What about the domains by proxy WHOIS, the lack of checks as a payment method, and the sales chick located in Brazil. To me all 3 of these together spell "offshore company"

Bullshit - you slammed Ibill above. Name me one decnet sized merchant that we know who iuses them and we will go from there. Also, please post the name of the US bank that you (they) use.

Z

They pay by check FAQ- "What are my options for getting paid by eCommerceGlobal.com?
eCommerceGlobal.com is paying all settlement by wire or Direct Deposit (ACH):

Wire Transfer fee: Depends which of our banks it is coming from. It ranges from $25.00 to $50.00 per wire.

Direct Deposit (ACH) fee is $2.00"

THe ICQ was a typo - it said 55501619 when it should have said 56501619 - that has been fixed

where did anyone slam Ibill?

By you reiterating Ibills problems while spamming for another company, that is slamming. How about the rest of my questions?

Z

Every cloud may have a silver lining. Just as every rose has it's thorn. :thumbsup

Pointing out the obvious is not slamming them . . . maybe if I said something along the lines of them waiting until the last minute, and not having a backup plan in order, but I didn't. I only stated the facts as everyone has now become aware.

Yes, their banks are offshore------but their management and sales/marketing is U.S. U.S. banks tend to cause problems, i.e. pswbilling lawsuit against a US bank, Ibill, etc

every hairy ball sack has wrinkles

I see no slam in Baddog's original post. Simply pointed out what we already know, that ibill are having difficulties, and he is letting people know that there is another solution available should they need it.

A little tiny wee bit spammish, but at least he's not out hijacking other people's threads.


oh jeez Baddog has me looking for the silver linings now. :helpme

Yeah, that FAQ page only changed after I mentioned it. :Graucho

You've still skipped the important question of why they (you?) are using domains by proxy. I can't find any postal or physical address on their website. Why should people do business with a company when they're hiding?

I am trying to remember, wasn't there a processor that threw a gala event at an Internext not long ago, and went under a week later or something? . . . . seems there was someone, but I can't be sure. Just seem to remember reading that after FL Internext 2003

sorry, I will try to not let that happen again

No you won't. You're too positive a thinker for that.

You.... positive thinking guy you. :glugglug

ok - so they are accepting US merchants through an offshore merchant account? That is completely against Visa's cross border regulations. Since there are no Visa reg fees for offshore banks, they are not actually paying it as you mentioned above.

This is a bunch of BS.

Z

The home page ALWAYS said they offered ACH, they did not notice that they forgot to mention it on the FAQ page . . . they asked me to extend their thanks for pointing that out.

I am not really sure why they don't have a mailing address on their site, but there will be one soon

baddog, what's your relationship with eCommerceGlobal?

Will they process for an Australian company?

You know, I completely understand your concern and wanting to know that everything is on the up-and-up 100% before you'd consider trusting any part of your business to what you perceive as an unkown entity. I do. But could you dial it back a notch on the tone? You are behing rather confrontational don't you think?

Talk -- don't accuse. Baddog is a long-time straight shooter here.

And as it so happens I am an excellent judge of character.

there are many third party processors, Verotel being one of them, that accept US merchants through an offshore merchant account---and as they say on their site: "Free box office for your online subscriptions, Credit card and check billing options NO setup fee NO monthly minimums ..." and I dont see anyone slamming Verotel.

They approached me to act as an agent for them . . . I agreed to do so.

and yes they will

What about a Canadian company?




*holds breath*

Thank you sir :thumbsup

So how well do you know this company and its management team?

Cool :)

well, I guess it would be easier to list the ones they won't process for, because they will process for virtually all of them . . . . Canada included

I have had several telephone conversations with them . . . they approached me several months ago for some consulting on the adult processing business, and I suggested a few things to them, and they applied some of my recommendations... we have talked some more recently--------they impress me as sincere and competent.

While they are new to adult, they are not new to mainstream. They just needed to make some slight adjustments to become more adult friendly. I guess they figured that I could help in that arena.

Interesting.

here is a deal that is hard to pass up, if you signup there is a box where they ask where you heard about ecommerceglobal. If you type in "baddog" they will give you a .50% discount!!

How is that for a deal?

the rate quote: it will be for example:

13%............
minus .50 per cent BD discount,

1) Ibill has not made any public statements to deny these horrible and apparently "false" rumors of their demise.

That would seem to suggest that they are in fact going out of business... or at the very least are not sure if they are or not.

"Backup plan"????? you have to be fucking kidding me. Didn't this problem began in 1998? When did they start working on a "backup plan"? Yesterday?


2) Every processor says everything is perfect, ESPECIALLY to their closest friends and biggest clients right up until their phone is disconnected, their office furniture is repo'ed and they are safely on a plane out of town. It has happened a dozen or more times already and one would have to be an idiot to think it could'nt happen again.

ANYONE that trusts Ibill with their money is an uninformed newbie.... or retarded and should not be running a business. There is no other way to put it.


:2 cents: :2 cents:

Hi baddog,

could you please msg me, I have a few questions for you:

ICQ 1889711
AIM fthylmann

... couldn't agree with you more.

Man what a twisted sense of reality you have.

ibill is a publicly traded company who?s stock has been frozen, They CAN NOT comment. It's not that they don't want to, they simply can't.

Any one who doesn't think ibill had a backup plan in place is obviously not very smart and ibill has proven them wrong by already switching to another bank and resuming processing as if nothing has changed. Everyone has a backup plan its just common sense.

The part of processors claiming everything fine right up till the last minute is unfortunately true, most of them do go down like that.

Now this part of people trusting ibill being newbies is completely ridiculous. That statement should have been used for this new biller in the topic. Offshore with an anonomous domain just registered last month.. now that?s something to worry about.

Hey BadDog-

The fact that your domain was registered by proxy, coupled with your need to resort to spamming to attract new business, speaks volumes about you and your company.

You might be better off working
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So then the points that they made in the court filings in regards to going out of business if the TRO was lifted were bogus???

kinda tasteless if you ask me.

Honestly I can't answer that question but I feel it was more posturing for the courts then anything else.

:321GFY sybianguru

Thanks baddog, I'm going to go check this out, always good to have the eggs scattered around just in case shit hits the fan :thumbsup

Your eggs will be more than scattered if you make that move... more like scrambled!

I am a HUGE advocate for spreading the transactions and making sure I have a backup.. but a questioniable one that is just coming out of no where.. gee where do I sign up!

Of course it was . you want a judge to go your way,your going to paint rosy pictures? No your going to be overly dramatic about the pain and suffering that will be endured. Comeon guys thats business law 101

Only offshore banks offering adult via ecommerceglobal??

jake knows his shit, i would never waste the money with a 3rd party processor.