I honestly believe Kerry will win.
 

Given there are no "suprises" from the Bush camp.

All favorites aside I see Kerry making a strong surge over the next 6 weeks.

you have no idea how much i hope you are right. like you said, IF their are no last minute rabbits pulled out of the hat by bush.

I think you're right man...seriously...



I know a good # of ex-republicans now...I want to know how Bushy's gonna pull it off with a good chunk of us prior-Rs voting for the other side this year?


I guess Bush & company think everyone that's a Republican is a freaky religious zealot that's ok with giving up freedom for security...


naaa uhhh

ahh you mean this type of thing?


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...usa_osama_dc_1

my vote for Kerry:thumbsup

TheJimmy,

I know so many as well. I really don't see how the polls are always so close. Many I know personally that voted for Bush haven't been able to stand him for the last couple of years and do not want to vote for him this year.

Regardless, just looking at the big picture I see him winning. Not a landslide but a comfortable lead.

that is EXACTLY what i mean. i could see us already having him in captivity and bush camp pulling him out of the hat just before the election.
i have a knot in my tummy just thinking about it :mad:

bush will win

I disagree. I think Bush will win.

sorry to say, bush will win

its wierd, everytime kerry speaks, i try to think if he said the opposite before.

good luck, but it looks like 4 more years

I doubt that, if Kerry makes any type of surge it will be down. He's way too inconsistent in his decisions; worse, he does things and says another. He says he's against outsourcing American jobs overseas yet his billionarie wife has 57 (no pun intended) of her 80 factories overseas, supplying jobs for foreigners, not Americans. Kerry likes to give the people what they hear, depending on the situation and the polls. The fact that he refused to fund body armor for our troops and humvees just scares me that this man wants to be our Commander in Chief. I hope to God that he does not win; I'm confidant he won't though.

We'll see. I can't stand him, never could. Nothing to do with favorite party etc. either.

That's exactly what they wanted you to do when they started this flip flop crap. Just think for 2 seconds about all of Bush's misdirection and decide who the real flipper is.

i agree that bush is better at misleading the american people. (and fellow canadians like myself)

i still dont understand whats kerrys point of view on the war.

Unless he fucks up, its a Bush win. In fact, he would really have to fuck up.

So 12clicks will be happy.

Regardless of what people's opinions are on who WILL win. The polls show it close at the moment. Kerry has to do something unreal to be in contention.

I see Bush winning otherwise by around 8 points. Time will tell.

I'm the last person in the world to defend Kerry, but I am curious to learn more about the decision he made to not fund armour for our troops. Where did you hear that?

Gore was way behind as well. Fuck a poll. I just stated my opinion. Kerry could fuck up royally tomorrow.

We'll know in 6 weeks.

im looking forward the face to face debate starting on Oct. 30 and this will surely spell the difference

So how do you feel about the stock related divedend tax cuts that Bush made? I couldn't help but notice your name. I was happy to see that divedends were no longer taxable, it changed my whole investment train of thought, for the better at that...

What do you think?

Starting on Oct 30.. huh?



Sept 30, Oct 8, Oct 13.


edit... unless I misread..

Oct 30 does seem a bit late though.

Kerry presents himself better than Bush does in person. While I support Bush, I worry about Bush fumbling over his words. The good part is that Americans have become a little used to seeing him fumble his words and have statements given that are not exactly what he was trying to get out.

I wonder how many people on here that complain about American policy are going to actually vote, or just keep complaining. I can't wait until all 50 states have internet based voting so more people will vote.

After he voted for the war, or against it, whatever, he voted against funding body armor for American troops and extra armor for our humvees and armored vehicles. I first heard about it on TV, then read more stuff about it online. Just google it, or kerry's voting record and it should come up.

Not very likely IMO, too many security issues to make it a realistic possibility.

Feel like reading?

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=155

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=177

Conveniently down of course.

As a quick reply, he voted no to an 87 billion dollar spending bill. Something like 1/3rd of 1% was for body armor.

Typical election time propoganda.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...r+troops&hl=en

Bush rushed our troops into an unneccesary war, then once they were on the ground in danger he realized "OPPS! forgot to make sure their equipment was ready" . . . and now he blames Kerry for his mistake, because Kerry later opposed an additional grant of $87Billion of which 0.3% was for body armor. He did not oppose sending the gear, but wanted the funding to come out of Bushs tax cuts, instead of just writing another 'blank check' to this irresponsible asshole.

thanks for the rescue..i guess i was too sleepy when i tuned on to CNN.

surely, i will not miss any of those events.

Debate Dates
September 30
First presidential debate: University of Miami, Coral Gables, Florida

October 5
Vice presidential debate: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio

October 8
Second presidential debate: Washington University, St. Louis, Missouri

October 13
Third presidential debate: Arizona State University, Tempe, Arizona

i honestly hope

"Rushed our troops"? Put away the cocaine and go back to school, you are so ignorant it's disgusting. "He forgot to make sure their equipment was ready." That second quote just makes me laugh; do you actually believe that? Do you know how stupid you look?

Anytime before a war, the president (democratic or republican) asks congress for more funding. Get it?

I appreciate the poster who supplied the links to the body armor info, I knew it was quite a bit of money but I didn't know how big a percentage the body armor was. The fact is, it could have been .0001%; it doesnt matter. The rest of the 87 was to support our troops; and Kerry opposed it.

Pull out your calculators and compute how much .3% of 87 BILLION is; then rethink your response. It doesn't matter how much it cost, or how little; he still opposed it. Camchicks, if he didn't oppose funding the gear, why the fuck did he vote against it? To make a jab at Bush for his domestic policies while leaving our troops easier targets?

I really hate hippies, especially ignorant ones.

Lol, you are twisted. Our troops should have had ALL proper supplies before setting 1 foot on Iraqi soil including the vests they needed.

Edit: BTW, he voted to approve the 87 billion on a bill that also reversed Bush's tax cuts. He obviously had a problem where the 87 billion came form on the one he voted against.

And yes 300 million is the number but that's like me saying I need something that costs $5 so you should approve this spending of 50,000 because it's included. Just doesn't work that way.

I completely agree with you.

I don't like Bush, and I don't like Republicans, but I think that if an election was held today, Bush would win.

Me too. Lucky for me they aren't held today. :winkwink:

:thumbsup :thumbsup

Dumbass.

-You say it doesn't matter what ther percentage and then you suggest making a percentage calculation to rethink his response?

-What if it was $1 for body armor and the $87 Billion for Bibles and extra American Flags? Then would it matter what the percentage was?

Kerry better win for all out sakes...

ouR


where's the Grammar Police when you need them...

woops, I mean the SPeeling Police...


:winkwink: :thumbsup

Teresa owns less than 4% of Heinz. It is NOT her company.

As for the outsourcing, Heinz is a global company. They have factories in other countries to service other parts of the world.


The reason Kerry did not sign the 80 some-odd billion dollar bill for Iraq was that only a small part of it was going to troops whereas a huge sum was going to Haliburton-type operations.

time will tell

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/s...2004_0920.html

Here are the main points from Kerry's speech on Iraq yesterday:

The war on Iraq was a mistake -- war was unnecessary because the inspections were working: "Today, President Bush tells us that he would do everything all over again, the same way. How can he possibly be serious? Is he really saying that if we knew there were no imminent threat, no weapons of mass destruction, no ties to Al Qaeda, the United States should have invaded Iraq? My answer is no -- because a commander in chief's first responsibility is to make a wise and responsible decision to keep America safe."

Iraq distracted from the war on terror: "The president claims it is the centerpiece of his war on terror. In fact, Iraq was a profound diversion from that war and the battle against our greatest enemy, Osama bin Laden and the terrorists. Invading Iraq has created a crisis of historic proportions and, if we do not change course, there is the prospect of a war with no end in sight."

President Bush misled us about the reasons for the war before it occurred: "He failed to tell the truth about the rationale for going to war. And he failed to tell the truth about the burden this war would impose on our soldiers and our citizens. By one count, the president offered 23 different rationales for this war."

President Bush is still misleading people about Iraq, painting an optimistic picture directly contradicted by his own intelligence officials: "In June, the president declared, 'The Iraqi people have their country back.' Just last week, he told us: 'This country is headed toward democracy. Freedom is on the march.' But the Administration's own official intelligence estimate, given to the president last July, tells a very different story. According to press reports, the intelligence estimate totally contradicts what the president is saying to the American people."

Bush went to war for ideological reasons and consistently misjudged the situation on the ground: "This president was in denial. He hitched his wagon to the ideologues who surround him, filtering out those who disagreed, including leaders of his own party and the uniformed military. The result is a long litany of misjudgments with terrible consequences. The administration told us we'd be greeted as liberators. They were wrong. They told us not to worry about looting or the sorry state of Iraq's infrastructure. They were wrong. They told us we had enough troops to provide security and stability, defeat the insurgents, guard the borders and secure the arms depots. They were wrong. They told us we could rely on exiles like Ahmed Chalabi to build political legitimacy. They were wrong. They told us we would quickly restore an Iraqi civil service to run the country and a police force and army to secure it. They were wrong. In Iraq, this administration has consistently over-promised and under-performed. This policy has been plagued by a lack of planning, an absence of candor, arrogance and outright incompetence. And the president has held no one accountable, including himself."



John Kerry has a four-point plan to fix our Iraq policy:

"First, the president has to get the promised international support so our men and women in uniform don't have to go it alone. It is late; the president must respond by moving this week to gain and regain international support. The president should convene a summit meeting of the world's major powers and Iraq's neighbors, this week, in New York, where many leaders will attend the U.N. General Assembly. He should insist that they make good on that U.N. resolution. He should offer potential troop contributors specific, but critical roles, in training Iraqi security personnel and securing Iraq's borders. He should give other countries a stake in Iraq's future by encouraging them to help develop Iraq's oil resources and by letting them bid on contracts instead of locking them out of the reconstruction process."

"Second, the president must get serious about training Iraqi security forces. The president should urgently expand the security forces training program inside and outside Iraq. He should strengthen the vetting of recruits, double classroom training time, and require follow-on field training. He should recruit thousands of qualified trainers from our allies, especially those who have no troops in Iraq. He should press our NATO allies to open training centers in their countries. And he should stop misleading the American people with phony, inflated numbers."

"Third, the president must carry out a reconstruction plan that finally brings tangible benefits to the Iraqi people. One year ago, the administration asked for and received $18 billion to help the Iraqis and relieve the conditions that contribute to the insurgency. Today, less than a $1 billion of those funds have actually been spent. I said at the time that we had to rethink our policies and set standards of accountability. Now we're paying the price. Now, the president should look at the whole reconstruction package, draw up a list of high visibility, quick impact projects, and cut through the red tape. He should use more Iraqi contractors and workers, instead of big corporations like Halliburton. He should stop paying companies under investigation for fraud or corruption. And he should fire the civilians in the Pentagon responsible for mismanaging the reconstruction effort."

"Fourth, the president must take immediate, urgent, essential steps to guarantee the promised elections can be held next year. If the president would move in this direction, if he would bring in more help from other countries to provide resources and forces, train the Iraqis to provide their own security, develop a reconstruction plan that brings real benefits to the Iraqi people, and take the steps necessary to hold credible elections next year -- we could begin to withdraw U.S. forces starting next summer and realistically aim to bring all our troops home within the next four years."

does things and says another? give the people what they want to hear? ... youve just described every president and leader of every country on the planet. they are all scum and are going to lick whoevers ass will get them elected.

the problem with bush though, is he is a dangerous fuck - i could forgive my president and stand behind him for this stupid ass war if he gave two shits about the people dying there ... like the american assassinated today - i am outraged and sad for this family, and i blame bush.

They came at us with a fucking SEVERE blow ... talk about shock and fucking awe ... and we react with this half ass crap? Im against the war but i wish reagan was there to level these fuckers instead of pussy boy GW's weak ass retaliation. Wow, we have saddam hussein ... anyone remember this much trouble and death in Iraq before bush decided to ignore the rest of the world and invade?

The only reason bush could win is because america is full of stupid fucking sheep who are willing to get their brains shit upon by propoganda. anyone with any brains at all should be outraged at this utter failure of a president.

He better win or we will all die :glugglug

Lets hope you're right. :thumbsup

Actually at this point of the campaign in 2000, Gore had a double digit lead. So big leads CAN and DO disappear.

I gotta say, I don't much trust anything either candidate says about themselves or their opponent....

The positive and negitive spin they use to make their points is incredible! It isn't about true facts, it's all about positioning select pieces of the facts into our minds to make their point. ( Marketing at it's finest! :1orglaugh )

There's always more to a yes/no vote than what's on the surface... the thing here is to look at all the facts, not just what you're being spoon fed, and make your OWN judgements.

kerry's boring, people who are voting for him dont even like him, he has no base, the only base he has is people voting against bush, which happens to be him.... how can you say you think hes going to win like that? lol, he has to connect to the people.

Say what you will about him, but all Cheap Shots aside, Bush connects with voters in a way that Kerry has yet to show us...Maybe if he showed a little HUMAN LIFE in those speeches he would get a surge...But saying he will win now is outright premature, considering the Bush lead in nearly every national poll. I think we would all agree, on both sides, that Kerry has yet to break out and really make his mark with the voters, dont you agree o that at least?

I saw Kerry on Letterman last night... I think he presented himself quite well.

Everyone with a backround in politics knows that talk shows are desperate.....at least that is what CNN and Fox say ....lol