What is Kerry's Stance on the War in Iraq?
 

Seems to be a lot of Kerry supporters in here (or maybe just Bush haters) and I haven't really seen it mentioned anywhere so I ask you: What is Kerry's stance on the war in Iraq?

Seeing how you guys are such staunch supporters of Kerry/Edwards I'd figure you would have the answer.

I've seen him and Edwards tip-toe around the subject but neither of them have presented a steadfast gameplan or even a minute clue. Other than stating the obvious like there should have been more planning, what else have they discussed about what they'll do differently in Iraq if they were elected?

Don't be afraid to admit you don't know and if you're not a Kerry supporter just a Bush hater then that's ok, too. Nothing to be ashamed of here amongst friends.

I'm all ears. :bigears

im a bush hater :thumbsup

how are man... i dont see you on AIM any more

I like your honesty.

I've been sick for the past week and haven't wanted to deal with people on AIM. I'm getting better now so I'll be back on sometime soon. :thumbsup

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/nati...rity/iraq.html

from the horses mouth so to speak.

good stuff :thumbsup

draw international support.

continue trying to restructure.

Kerry has said over and over again (keep in mind you WONT here someone like Tucker on crossfire admit it) that his plan is to re-build the burned bridges to our allies and bring them back in to the iraq mess.

If thats too general, then dont blame the messenger. How can a candidate who isn't already president give anything clearer?

What you should be asking is what Bushes plan is! LOL! His own assesment group said it was failing back in in July. Yesterday the republican senator on the armed services commitee said we have to stop living in a fantasyland thinking we're winning..

Maybe you should seriously ask Bush what his plan is. He's the president. He seems to think we're doing great.. nothing wrong.. no blame on himself for anything.. nothing but "let freedom ring!" "freedom is on the march"

blah blah blah.. it's all misdirection dude. Look to the source.

Kerry's plan is to bring in the UN and other nations to help relieve some of the pressure on US troops. And let the WORLD help deal with the mess Bush has gotten us into rather then the US bearing the brunt and the burden alone.

Bush cannot do that because he has lost his credibility and it would piss off the VP and haliburton would lose MILLIONS.

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I don't care for either of the two main guys.

I hope that they pull out of Iraq and go after the real war criminal, Osama Bin Laden.

I agree 100% with you on that one.

If Bush supporters understood what attacking Iraq and removing the secular dictator there really means to the future of America, they would punish him at the polls. When somebody makes bad decisions, the first step to solving things is to stop letting that person make decisions. (duh)

I feel sorry for Kerry having to somehow come up with an optimistic-sounding plan to fix Bushs mess. The options there are very limited and it is going to be hard for him to differentiate himself.

If America re-elects Bush, the world will no longer see the American People and The Bush Administration seperately. Right now, the world is very angry at this administration, but most don't hold us (the citizens) responsible. They keep the last 80 years of (mostly positive) history in mind and assume that our government has just been hijacked by extremists. That in our 2000 elections we didn't really know what we were voting for. Bush, in his first campaign, said he was against using the US military the way he is today. It's not our fault; we didn't know what he would do. However that attitude will immediately change if Americans give this administration a second term. We will no longer be given the benefit of the doubt. We will be politically shunned and alone in our fights.

If Kerry is elected, that will go a long way toward erasing the illwill created by GW when he ignored the UN, and help to rebuild our good relationships with the world.

Spoken very well! :thumbsup

kerry sux ass

Despite the left wing talking points parroted here, he has a position that is the most politically expedient to the audience he is addressing at the time....



John Kerry 9/7/04 "Iraq is the wrong war, in the wrong time and in the wrong place."

http://johnfkerrysucks.com/images/kerryflipflop.gif


John Kerry on 9/8/04 "Iraq is a part of the War On Terror."


This is John Kerry

The only thing he is consistent about is increasing taxes , and weakening the military and intelligence agencies.

Depends what day it is.

funny.... but true, we are in some deep shit if Kerry gets elected.

Kerry is a fuck up waiting 2 happen.

In your opinion who or what is this world I keep hearing about?

:Graucho



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I agree, that was a great post by CamChicks.

In my opinion it no longer matters what his stance is on the war because we are already at war. It is to late to be for or against it.

Not only that, but lets give Kerry the benefit of the doubt for a second and think about something I have not seen anyone mention. It has to do with leadership so actually give this idea some thought.

Kerry may very well become the commander and chief of the U.S. military, these are the people he is going to have to depend on to help him clean up the mess created by Bush.

More fighting and more time may very well be needed, Kerry will not under even the best of cirumstances be able to immediatly pull out of Iraq the second he becomes President. Now, how can you expect troops to stay and continue to do their jobs effectively and safely if you have run a campaign about how opposed to their efforts you are? Even though you are against the President's decisions (as he has stated many many times that he is) you have to be very careful to not dishearten our soldiers or create disgrunteled soldiers that we will still depend on.

This is not the way to create a more hopeful enviroment and boost the moral of the soldiers. And Kerry, being a VET himself realizes this and is smart enough to be very careful when dealing with this very sensitive issue.


As for as what he will do differently (what he would have done makes no difference because it has already been done). He has stated he will go to the U.N. and appeal for their involvment and coorperation. I do not think this means giving in to whatever they want, I think it means being tough and standing our ground but still be able to reconnect with our former allies. He has said he will rebuild our friendships in the world that have been destroyed by Bush, and I think that can be done, but obviously not by Bush.

I think this will also be the first REAL step in winning the war on terror, the more friends we have in the world the better off we will be in the war against terrorist.

If he stays strong he will not only win the respect of the world but he will win back our friends and we will be a stronger country because of it.

We must improve the moral of our troops, we must work with the rest fo the world to develop a plan on how to stabalize Iraq and make it safe for the citizens of Iraq and we must help them rebuild their country. America has lost of credibility in the region, this job cannot be done by us, ourselves. We may very well have to face the fact that it will take our dollars but the work of other nations to pull it off.

Because of the current mess we have there I do not think that is to much to ask. We owe those people a great deal after what we have done to them and we must make things right no matter what it takes, even if that means stepping back and letting other countries take over.

But there is no amount of help that will bring thier lost lives or ours back, we can only repair the damage and hope to repair our friendships.

If you want the answer in Kerry's own words, and can stand to watch him for about 12 minutes without throwing up, this is the answer.....


http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv

I don't think most Americans quite realize how much the attitude of other nation's will change towards Iraq if you elect Kerry. If Kerry wins he'll be able to get UN troops from a lot of nations there in a year or two, tops. Bush will NEVER get that support, because the world knows he'll use it to start another war.

Like it or not that's the way it is, and it's Bush's fault for trying to lie to other nations about Iraq. Yes people who watch CNN will fall for propaganda, but educated leaders of state don't.

the dems are so busy hating bush, that they still can't see thru kerrys double talk. it's fuckin hilarious.

Peace will not be won easily regardless of who becomes US President. It doesn't matter how much International Support the future President gets either.

Think of it this way. If a powerful country invaded America and said they were going to replace Bush with a better President and better form of government (and maybe take some of your valuable natural resources so they can make a profit), would you sit back and say "Thanks!" or would you pick up your legally owned Assault weapons and begin blowing away the invading army one by one, and say to them "F-ck you! WE will choose our own government leaders. I may not like Bush, but it's OUR country and WE will decide, not YOU. Get out of MY country!"?

Most of us patriots would do that latter. Now do you understand a little better one of the reasons why American troops are being blown to bits in the streets of Iraq?

Thats funny, you used the phrase "left wing talking points parroted" and then you go on to parrot the right wing talking points.

Good job to think for yourself :)

shhh, let them be, it's funny.

Kerry is the one doublespeaking all the time, lol.

Funny that you are so blinded by "dem hating" that you cannot see through Bush's double talk.

Lets see what happened to "compassionate conservatism," what about all this "bi-partisin politics" we heard so much about during the 2000 election? I never those words again until he started begging for our votes again.

What about "Leave no Child Behind," except for the ones that need our help.

What about "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction." Never found those either.

What about cutting taxes, but only if you can afford to pay them in the first place.

Or how about more recently when the Iraq Intelligence releases a report stateing in plain words that winning the peace in Iraq is hopeless and Bush proclaims this to be a victory and says things are going just like he wanted them.
(That was today)

Or when the Fed announced that we again for the 3rd straight year ammased record deficit and Bush said that was great news because they had forcasted it to be 5 million dollars worse!!!!

Sure its great news, Your so bad at math you forcasted it wrong to your fucking Dope head.

Please for Christ sakes, stop throwing stones at glass houses, Bush has flip flopped FAR more than Kerry could ever wish to. Bush makes Kerry look like an amateur flip flopper.

I've provided John Kerry quotes and a 12 minute video of Kerry's multiple, inconsistent positions on Iraq.

As the number #1 liberal senator; his anti-military, anti-defence, anti-intelligence, and pro-tax voting record is clear to anyone who has followed his 19 year legislative career. That voting record works fine in the state of Massachustts. It won't work in a presidential race no matter how hard he tries to hide and ignore it.....

You can bet that if Iraq really did have WMD's American troops wouldn't be in Iraq right now. Instead, America would be negotiating with Saddam. We knew all along he had nothing. That's why we went in.

It's the same reason why we're not in North Korea. Because North Korea actually has WMD's, we're not going to land their where they can disintegrate all of our troops with one bomb and knockout New York and every other major American city in response to our invasion.

For Korea, it will be negotations, diplomacy, compromise. Not war. In the modern world, war is only declared on those counties that can't defened themselves and have no WMD's.

I'm really trying man but its fucking hard!!!! :glugglug

My braing says, "No don't do it, theyr are to stupid to understand and it will only drive you mad."

But my fingers become uncontrollable little time bombs exploding my frustration onto the keyboard. :BangBang:

Give me some credit, you should see the post before I go back and rewrite all of the insulting comments out of them. :Graucho

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It would also piss China off pretty bad and China is the LAST country the U.S. wants to pick a fight with. :2 cents:

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Yes, because China is another nation that can actually fight back, we don't want to upset them.

First of all a 12 minute EDITED video proves nothing because I could take edited video of G.W. and make his sound like he loves canaries and that he would like to start an OBGYN clinic in the loving state of Iraq.

Now stop acting like you know anything about Kerry's voting record and actually get yourself educated.

http://www.factcheck.org/

Website is very bipartisin, there is also stuff you can use against Kerry if you choose. But stop talking about his voting record because it holds no water at all.

If you knew anything about politics in the first place you would know most of the time these bills are loaded with more bullshit spending that has nothing to do with the base of the bill itself it is fucking unreal. Kerry is the only guy that has had the balls to vote this bullshit down time after time and force the COngress and Senate to be more responsible.

But you are simply parroting right wing talking points. :)

That is not a bad thing if that is what you truely believe, but it is if you are going to critize others for doing the same thing.

News flash...Richy boy. Senator Kerry is not the "messiah". To know Senator Kerry is to know his voting record...and if he loses the election...it will be primarily based upon his voting record...which in my opinion is that of an ultra liberal...but for those that do not like the term "ultra liberal"...it cannot be denied that he is a staunch liberal. The general poplulation are not liberals...but are centrists...and the general population favor a strong military stance...which Senator Kerry's voting record proves that he is weak in this area.

It is pretty much immaterial what Senator Kerry currently has to say about any subject...as his voting record speaks loud and clear about his "actions" over the last 20 years (including Iraq)...not what his "words" of today are.

We are in Iraq to flush out the enemy. That is the way I see it. Even if this war gets bigger and it looks like it will all the terrorists will be coming to Iraq to kill us. We do not have to go looking for them, as they will seek us. It is a brilliant plan if you think about it. Yes it is a shame we have lost lots of troops over there. Can you come up with a better plan? If you want to put your head in the sand and believe they will just go away after that Twin Towers stunt you are kidding yourself. Now the war is getting worse. They control parts of the country and central Baghdad is still un unsafe place. We know that most of the terrorists are not from Iraq. But they are all coming there to fight. They are getting drawn in. Once again a brilliant plan. I just hope that the worse it gets the more bombing we do. I hope that we don?t use troops in house to house combat, which is always a losing battle. I say stick with Bush and let him finish the job. Grin and bear it. We are at war. Don?t expect the economy to be all rosy all the time. What do you think?

ok..i'll do what i can here, but i'm not much of politician. i don't really hate democrats, they probly have some very good ideas, i just don't feel safe with Kerry runnig the country.

I don't see children being left behind. do you honestly believe that every kid does not have the same chance...more likely, parents are to blame for these problems.

not being found does not mean they don't exist.

every politician promises this, every citizen should understand it and not base their decision on this promise.

nothing is hopeless unless you just decide that it's not worth the effort. Bush claimed victory for the liberation of iraq citizens. the terrorists are the ones fucking up the peace process.

I'm not sure i understand this, i didnt forcast anything. and what does my drug preference have to do with it?

Kerry's stance is that we should lose.

It depends on which day it is.

Seems to be a popular answer.

"Terrorists" are not a limited resource. Thanks to Bush, there are millions more potential terrorists than there used to be.

There was never any terrorism being exported from Iraq into the USA, and Osama Bin Laden gave public interviews calling Saddam an "infidel" and "bad muslim". Osama wanted Saddams secular regime to be overthrown so that Islamic Clerics could sieze power in Iraq. (happening now) Thanks to Bush, Osama's wishes have been granted.

"Democracy" in Iraq means that they will vote their religious leaders into power, who will then abolish any law but Islams. The advancements Saddam made in womens rights and education will probably be reversed, and their schools will only teach Islam and hatred of the west.

We have created an enemy, another Islamic Theocracy (which will unite with others in the region against us), where previously there was only a harmless disgruntled ex-ally. We got rid of a secular dicator who embraced western culture and crushed fundamentalists, in favor of anti-western clerics. How much fucking sense does that make when the 'war' is actually against radical islam? Whether or not you think Saddam was too brutal, the old saying "the enemy of your enemy is your friend" still applies.

There didn't use to be terrorist training facilities in Iraq, but now there will be, funded by their new government. There didn't used to be tens-of-thousands of Iraqi Al Queda recruits, but now there are because we (the USA) dropped bombs on their houses and gunned down their fathers and brothers in their own streets. We have poisoned their country with depleted uranium that will last forever. Noone living there will forget this. Terrorists are not born, they are created, and we are transforming moderates into extremists all over the world, faster than we could ever just "kill them all".

Poll shows U.S. isolation: In war's wake, hostility and mistrust

Not like Bush ...:1orglaugh

But an idiot one:

published in the DALLAS morning news ... close to home:

BACK AND FORTH WITH BUSH BACK AND FORTH WITH BUSH
Here are some examples of how President Bush has shifted his stance on a variety of issues:


Homeland Security

The president initially rebuffed calls to coordinate security efforts and create a Cabinet-level department. But as the pressure increased, Bush reversed course and supported establishing a Homeland Security department. "We have a responsibility to protect the American people against threats from any source," Bush said.


9-11 commission

Bush opposed the formation of an independent task force to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and later asked for limitations on the panel's subpoena authority. After calls from the victims' families intensified, he supported the creation of the 9/11 commission. "It is important that we uncover every detail and learn every lesson of Sept. 11," the president said in a statement.

Citing executive privilege, Bush was adamant that National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice would not testify under oath before the commission. But then he changed his mind, and she testified. "I've ordered this level of cooperation because I consider it necessary to gaining a complete picture of the months and years that preceded the murder of our fellow citizens on Sept. 11, 2001," the president said.

When the 9/11 commission recommended creating a national intelligence director, Bush did not immediately embrace the idea. Now, the president is urging Congress to heed the recommendation. "We believe that there ought to be a national intelligence director who has full budgetary authority," he said this week.


Osama bin Laden

After the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush identified Osama bin Laden as his No. 1 priority, saying he wanted the al-Qaida leader "dead or alive." Over time, mentions of bin Laden became infrequent. More recently, the president has acknowledged that he does not know where bin Laden is, saying that terror is bigger than one person and that he's not overly concerned with the al-Qaida leader.


Nation building

As a candidate four years ago, Bush repeatedly criticized peacekeeping efforts in the Balkans, adding that he opposed turning U.S. troops into a "nation-building corps." "Our military is meant to fight and win war; that's what it's meant to do." Now, he faces criticism for his administration's long-term commitment to rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan. During his speech at the Republican convention, Bush said, "Our mission in Afghanistan and Iraq is clear: We will help new leaders to train their armies, and move toward elections, and get on the path of stability and democracy as quickly as possible."


Gay marriage

Bush said during a 2000 Republican debate that he opposed gay marriage but that it was a state's issue. "The state can do what they want to do," he said then. This year, he called for a federal constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages. "Decisive and democratic action is needed because attempts to redefine marriage in a single state or city have serious consequences throughout the country," he said in February.


Steel tariffs

In 2002, the president imposed tariffs on most imported steel. The move prompted threats of retaliatory tariffs from the European Union. In 2003, Bush rescinded the tariffs. He said the temporary protection allowed the steel industry to adjust to a surge in foreign imports, while union leaders said the president caved in to economic terrorism.

The Dallas Morning News


http://www.southcoasttoday.com/dail...04/b01pe593.htm


Kerry is no longer the Flip-Flop king....


:1orglaugh

BTW, the only thing the republicans have right:

Americans are idiots, and if you repeat ove rand over again the same lie, they will end up believing it ....

ex: WMD ... :1orglaugh

CamChicks:

Reasonable assessment! :thumbsup




btw.. if this is mean't to be a serious question:

Kerry has said what is stance is.. repeatedly.

Bush has already demonstrated what his stance is - the biggest disaster in the world so far this century.

If *anyone* can't do better that that - we all need to slit our throats and give up :-)

I don't give a rat's ass about what he thinks of the war in Iraq, I care more about what he thinks about porn! Since Kerry isn't a born again deepshit fuck like George W. I'm voting for Kerry and so should you!

Pay close attention now because your parroted right wing talking points are about to be countered with parroted left wing talking points.


Fair enough. You feel safer with a man that has effectively ended our allied relationships within the world. You feel safer with a man who has invaded a country on the basis of lies and then laughs about it. You feel safer with a man whos very business partners run the world. You feel safer with a man who has created several million more enemies than we ever had before.

Ok that is fine, its your opinion, though it leads me to question if you know anything at all about the rest of the world.



You think that by not funding the schools that need it the most we are helping kids that do worse on exams?

Here is the policy, the kids who get the best test scores get all the funding and the kids who get bad scores get money taken away. Who the fuck needs the money more? Obviously the ones who cant pass the fucking test!!! Why do the overprivelaged need more priveledge?


Fucking bullshit... They are not found because they never existed in the first place. Colin Powell even admitted this not more than 3 days ago to the U.N. counsel.

Bush's tax plan actually increased taxes for the lower class. People who originally did not make enough money to even submit a tax form to the IRS now pay 50% more than the top 1% of the richest American's.

The richest people in America now pay 60% less than they did before the tax cut.

First of all this is what killed the economy, spend a whole lot more and bring in a whole lot less equals fucking deficit! Record deficit for 3 years in a row in fact and each year has gotten worse and worse.

And do you think the poor people in this country should shoulder the weight so the rich people can get richer?

These people are working their asses off to feed their children and Republicans believe they should eat less to pay for their bullshit.

If you think this is good policy then I am wasting my time even responding to you. Anyone who believes in this practice is a fucking prick.

Iraq is not liberated... There are now 6 zones in Iraq the military has claimed to be "No Go Zones." No U.S. personal civilian or military is able to go into the "No Go Zones." These are 6 of the largest cities in Iraq, in a country the size of Texas we have lost control of 85% of it.

You need to go read the actual report filed by Intel about this situation. It informed the president that peace was not even a real option any longer and they actually said, "A stable Iraq in the forseable future is hopeless."

And Iraqi citizens are fighting us now, its not just terrorist. We are an occupying force that nobody wanted in the first place. They are trying to run us out or kill us all whatever happens first I am sure they will be fine with it.

The MAJORITY of Iraq's citizens are fighting against us.

This was directed towards Bush, sorry you could not understand :)

PIG SHIT!!! Your all full of fucking lies and bullshit!

Learn to read cowboy!

http://www.factcheck.org/

Funny, like 2 people have siad this, while there are a good 30 or more post defending Kerry's position.

Yet you choose to comment on something that 2 people have said.

P.S. I'm to fucking tired to actually count the post I am referring too. I may be off by 2 or so and I dont give a fuck either :)

That's great because your argument was getting tired and long winded real fast. The reason I didn't comment on the 30something other replies defending Kerry's position were pretty much the same thing just worded differently. :2 cents:

Now I'm going out and spending some of my hard-earned money on myself instead of giving it out to some out of work drug addict 10 kid having welfare receiving food stamp collecting social sponging dreg of society assclown that would have otherwised snatchup up some money I work 60 hours a week for. That's a couple extra drinks for me and my friends! :thumbsup

You actually said, "Seems to be a popular answer."

So 2 against 30 is popular? Just pointing out the flaw in that.

Sorry my argument is so long winded, Ill try to keep it simple for those of you who cannot follow :) And for the record, I do not know a single Democrat who supports a welfare system that caters too "out of work drug addict 10 kid having welfare receiving food stamp collecting social sponging dreg of society assclown that would have otherwised snatchup up some money I work 60 hours a week for."

Ya Bush actually changed the welfare reform bill Clinton passed that made this impossible, so you have the Republican asshat to blame for that one. Nobody was looking because, OOo Ya we were busy being attacked by terrorist. Dems believe in SEVER welfare reform, but I am sure the argument and facts are to long winded for you to gain a full understanding of them.

And Have fun tonight! :thumbsup