Paysite owners: What's your IP threshold?

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  • CheeseFrog
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2003
    • 1724

    #1

    Paysite owners: What's your IP threshold?

    Those of you who run IP tracking software like Pennywize or whatever, what do you set your unique IP limit to before the user is suspended? Just curious. I have mine set to 10 and was wondering if that might be too high. And do you explicitly tell the surfer that "You have X number of unique logins"?
    Cary | AIM: cheesefrog | ICQ: 4287002
  • james_clickmemedia
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2003
    • 2204

    #2
    beleive ours is set to 5
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    • chupacabra
      Confirmed User
      • Sep 2002
      • 3626

      #3
      5 here as well, but no Pennywise... we use PWSentry..!
      ...promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..

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      • Dawgy
        Confirmed User
        • Jul 2001
        • 5856

        #4
        proxypass... its set to 5 i believe, and has caught more shit than pwsentry or pennywise ever caught. bandwidth usage is down & joins are up.
        the revolution is coming.

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        • Jace
          FBOP Class Of 2013
          • Jan 2004
          • 35562

          #5
          5

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          • stevo
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2002
            • 2051

            #6
            15, if i had it set at 5 about 25% of my subscribers would be blocked.

            Even with pennywize im having trouble with people hacking accounts, even my own personal user/pass was hacked. Everythings chmodded correctly so i dont know whats up or what else to do.

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            • xclusive
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Apr 2004
              • 35218

              #7
              I've got it set at 10

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              • CheeseFrog
                Confirmed User
                • Dec 2003
                • 1724

                #8
                Originally posted by Dawgy
                proxypass... its set to 5 i believe, and has caught more shit than pwsentry or pennywise ever caught. bandwidth usage is down & joins are up.
                What is special about proxypass that makes it that much more effective than Pennywize or PasswordSentry? Don't they all just keep track of unique IP's that are associated with a given login/pw?
                Cary | AIM: cheesefrog | ICQ: 4287002

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                • Dawgy
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jul 2001
                  • 5856

                  #9
                  Originally posted by CheeseFrog
                  What is special about proxypass that makes it that much more effective than Pennywize or PasswordSentry? Don't they all just keep track of unique IP's that are associated with a given login/pw?
                  i have no idea. all i know is its catching more from day one...
                  the revolution is coming.

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                  • ShaneRyale
                    Confirmed User
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 961

                    #10
                    I use ProxyPass. It was set to 7, but I've lower it to 5 and it seems to be working well there.
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                    • Nutella
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 2792

                      #11
                      I have mine between 10-20.

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                      • keyboard warrior
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 1435

                        #12
                        10
                        - nothing here -

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                        • raymor
                          Confirmed User
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 3745

                          #13
                          If only it were that simple.
                          With Strongbox we set parameters for the number
                          of unique ip _RANGES_ in a two hour period if none
                          of the ips are proxies,
                          the number of unique ip ranges in a 48 hour period if none
                          are proxies, the number of different countries those IPs
                          can be from in a 2 hour period and a 48 hour period, and then
                          ll of those same settings if any of the IPs are open proxies,
                          then again the same settings if some are AOL proxies.

                          I don't think it's possible to come up with a single number
                          tjhat would be at all effective with a system like Pennydumb
                          and indeed when we install Strongbox to replace Pennydumb
                          on a site we generally see about 10-20 usernames
                          get busted that Pennydumb hadn't detected within the first 48 hours.
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                          • angelsofporn
                            Confirmed User
                            • Mar 2002
                            • 3218

                            #14
                            I had ours set to 10 a long time ago for about 3 days and i was getting 50 emails a day from AOL users saying they are blocked.
                            AOL users get a different ip every time they login. Hardcore porn surfers might login to your site 20-30 times in a day...you will lose money with that setting i think.

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                            • puremember
                              Registered User
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 3

                              #15
                              Originally posted by stevo
                              Even with pennywize im having trouble with people hacking accounts, even my own personal user/pass was hacked. Everythings chmodded correctly so i dont know whats up or what else to do.
                              Pennywize does the job detecting who's gotten in, but it doesn't do as well preventing them from getting in. Its brute force attack protection algorithm is rather simplistic. In this age of open proxy servers counting an IPs 401 requests against a threshold just doesn't cut it.

                              Originally posted by CheeseFrog
                              What is special about proxypass that makes it that much more effective than Pennywize or PasswordSentry? Don't they all just keep track of unique IP's that are associated with a given login/pw?
                              That about sums it up, however, different systems track different IP ranges. Pennywize, for example, tracks Class C subnets (ie. 1.1.1.*). Since many larger ISPs own multiple Class C IP blocks unless you set your thresholds rather high, you'll get false positives.

                              Our own system, PureMember, tracks slightly larger IP ranges so we've set our default threshold to 2 without any problems.

                              Shinjin
                              puremember.com

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                              • sirrobin
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 453

                                #16
                                On Iprotect we ban when more than 3 different Class C IP try the same username
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