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Controversial WM Gossip Board Bad?
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Hypothetical - I am in the DOO DOO. If a person wanted to provide a webmaster website chat board that let anons speak their mind without fear of repercussions, is that a negative thing? ppl seem to think its a negative force on our biz...some think its entertainment and enlightening....some think is libel and slander, some think its valuable info... Any thoughts? I am not afraid to take the heat [I have already paid a high price] and I fail to see the fear surrounding this concept...got to make some decisions this weekend and its troubling...since I don't see the bad in it. Big Players HATE the idea and do not see value, some assigned lawyers to read when the site was launched, we are not talking Luke Ford style reckless writing here. Any feedback is appreciated...cannot take to other boards, way too political. I believe in the project, and I just don't want to cave in...I do not think powers out there have the right to tell me what to do, I mean we are pornographers, why now try to be Tipper Gore fan and tell me what I do and my concept is not porn. [rant disabled] ------------------ http://www.cybererotica.com/money.html - HardCrank $40/member http://www.fuckedmaster.com - Controversial Chat Board http://www.falconfoto.com - Niche Content |
Can you be more specifc as to what you are reffering to?
"entertainment and enlightening....some think is libel and slander, some think its valuable info..." In what context or realm are you reffering this to? Depends on the context and the topic. Really does varry.. By the way Lee, I would like to welcome ya here, if you didnt know already Im boneprone the one behind the boneprone family... Much respect is due, you are one of the brightest in the bizz, and you are one of the only people in the bizz that puts me in awww when I see or read things that come out of your mind. Hope to meet you personally at the Portland AWE for we did not cross paths in Vegas.. Maybe we will even make you an honary member of the boneprone family. [This message has been edited by boneprone (edited 07-14-2001).] |
Make this place a normal hangout and I promise you will not only be entertained but Intrigued with GFY.. We could use a few more minds like yours here.
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I noticed some of the negative remarks that were made but if you take a look I did comment on one of the topics. I actually like your idea ALOT but I don't think people should remain anynomous. I think it may cause trouble if we aren't accountable for what shit we post. ------------------ Thanks http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif Tracy Fantasy Content http://www.fantasycontent.com [This message has been edited by fantasyc (edited 07-14-2001).] |
I'm all for letting people speak freely, but there is such a thing as irresponsible speech. Who's to stop 15 year olds from anonymously calling Fantasyman or RB a theif without any justification?
It gets pretty bad over at Netpond with the anon crap. |
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If you have the balls enough to comment, you should sign your name to it. ------------------ Thanks ;) Tracy Fantasy Content http://www.fantasycontent.com |
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I think its all good about announcing warning to programs when people are scamming the crap out of us hardworking webmasters! If someone doesn;t speak up we will all be fucked by the same programs just like some "clicks" program that cancels your account once you make them a grip of money and they have ripped your for a measly 600 bucks!
I understand that the "some" big guys fear it becuase they wont be able to cheat as many but honestly thats there problem they fucked up! reputation is everything! Keep your act clean and you wont have to worry about it, thats how it should be! Keev |
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I totally agree with Lens and fantasy on this one......... to ME, if someone is going to be ballsy enough to post negative remarks about someone then they damn well better be able to back it up.
I have been around for a long time now and I have seen people just go after the throats of other sponsors just simply because they don't like them or they were caught cheating........ If they are brave enough to say these things then they best be brave enough to be able to back up what is said........ This only leaves for a field day as far as I am concerned. It leaves the webmasters the right to start slandering other webmasters without they themselves having to back anything they say up. Lee, I totally respect you, have been to your board on several ocassions just never have posted there..... so I know you are respected, bright and intelligent, so I am not taking any of that away from you here.......... I just feel if the webmasters have the right to "speak" then so should the webmasters be allowed to speak back and know who they are defending themselves against. I totally agree with you on the issue that censorship is and always will be wrong as far as what we are allowed to say or not say........ however, shouldn't the people that are being allowed to speak freely be allowed to be confronted freely? Boy this could be an interesting place to hang out..... one huge pissing match........ but I am a very strong believer in that "you say something you better damn well be prepared to back it up if called for". In return, don't ask a question if you are not prepared for the answers........ you know, all that be big enough to dish it out but also be big enough to take it. Just 2 cents from a not so big player....... kinda somewhere in the middle I guess. Oh yeah, and go fuck yourself.. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif Forgive me for babbling, it's early and I haven't had my damn coffee yet. lol Tam ------------------ May the Force Be With YOU!! DialerHeaven-not just a reseller!! You too can be Vectorized!! |
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Letting ppl reply and post anon invites slanderous and malicious behavior on the part of people who are predisposed to act irresponsibly regardless of what the rules are. But I do believe that if you have something to say that is derogatory or inflammatory you should be willing to post your name to it. To bad everyone doesn't have as much backbone as you do Lee. Maybe you should use that big ole strapon of yours on those who misbehave.
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so you always get more than what you pay for..... would ya rather get less?
I THINK NOT Wizzo and bone...... you'd think I was sick if I didn't babble on occasion........ right? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/tongue.gif Tam ------------------ May the Force Be With YOU!! DialerHeaven-not just a reseller!! You too can be Vectorized!! |
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if you drape yourself in the truth, you are invincible and don't need to hide. Anonymity is for liars, thieves, and punks.
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Excellent feedback--
On a majority of boards, you can fill in the post form and be "Lensman" or use "SexyGirl", you are not who you say you are, so how can the board hold them accountable. Same with IRC..most ppl are in reality "anons" anyhoo. PPL will not post sincere stuff in fear of retaliation or job concerns. No content, no site, with no emphasis on them, they will speak up. We do however read the posts, and control what newsbyte posts that starts the thread, and so far there has been no abuse IMHO, and just a bunch of peeps commenting pro or con, something they already do on any message board...whats the difference? I would never hurt anyone unless the person is a predator of webmasters. I am so pro freedom of speech. Even if a post rubs a player they can come in and set the record straight and turn the whole thread into a marketing springboard and build goodwill.. This is why we have a commentary section, we don't want to shut out the company or topic we are talking about, we want their input. What is the compromise with our concept in your opinion...what do you recommend we do to lower the anxiety level of those stung by LukeFord a bazillon times and making me pay the price http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/frown.gif We give the ability for poster to leave their name, some do, some do not, is that my bad? If wew force them, they will lie anyhoo. http://www.fuckedmaster.com Note To Self: Lee, go fuck yourself moron:-) |
Can you log their ips so you know if they put Lensman there is a way to find out that they are NOT Lensman?
There HAS to be a medium........ they should be held accountable for their actions just as the sponsors should be....... and hiding behind false names is only feeding the liars and cheats in this business.... I could be wrong but this is how I feel. That's alot of what is wrong in the damn world today...... I totally believe in free speech, probably as much as you do Lee, but one also has got to be held accountable for their actions......... not just sponsors but webmasters as well. Don't you think? No one is held accountable anymore and this just leaves for the next one to take a little deeper approach and the next one to go deeper..... where does it stop? They have GOT to be held accountable on some level and on this board you are talking about as well as anywhere else. Make them register and log their ips, that would help somewhat. Boneprone....... shh.... I am on a damn wild streak today. LMAO Tam ------------------ May the Force Be With YOU!! DialerHeaven-not just a reseller!! You too can be Vectorized!! |
I agree with most everyone else. I'd read a gossip board, but if everyone's completely anon either everyone would just make up shit, or everyone like me would assume it was made up.
I mean how many guys on here keep secret what they run (if anything)? If someone wants to, they already can - but they should at least be limited to one handle so if one guy just keeps making up shit everyone can recognize it. |
Yes, *WE* know the IP numbers, we just don't want to make them public, IP nbrs are like SSN's. We don't want to assist a moron in doing a denial of service attack on somebody. PPL know how to spoof IP's and remain well hidden as a poster even when using a nick nobody recognizes. Some then give bogus email addy's and others default to trusting it as valid. IP tracking is not as useful as you think, it can be spoof'd to protect ones identity.
If we become too stringent [ie--register], we will turn off the community as that would be viewed as a hassle. OTR did this in 1999, and we had to "relax" with our policies, been there, done that, done with that... Our site is dependent on tidbits the community channels thru us, we cannot create hoops or we get no content. Currently, we read a slew of boards and get what we think is news/useful info off them...since not everyone can read every single board... I WILL NOT get into arbitration with webmasters that did not get paid, and hence a sponsor sucks. Thats NOT the boards focus, they need to work it out with the sponsor private. If alot of webmasters with creditability come foreward then "Yes" I would have to mention this because something is not right, and webmasters are owed an alert, imho... I don't think the site could survive on just amusement statements, obviously not believable. Oh, I dunno....damn,...I don't know if I make any sense anymore.. Ammended: Did not explain right, we peruse other boards to try to validate what was submitted. Note to Self: Clean up dogs poop from bedroom ------------------ http://www.cybererotica.com/money.html - HardCrank $40/member http://www.fuckedmaster.com - Controversial Chat Board http://www.falconfoto.com - Niche Content [This message has been edited by LeeNoga (edited 07-14-2001).] |
Why not have registered members and guests? You wouldn't have to register to post, but if you did it would give your posts more weight.
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Well, hey there everyone. I've been reading around here for a while and got urged to come out of lurker mode, so here I am.
I've read the responses to Lee's new project both here and on other boards and I feel there are a lot of folks in this biz that need to find or buy a sense of humor. While I do agree with some form of accountability, I also see that there are webmasters or company employees out there who have questions or comments but may be afraid of the ramifications involved with putting there name on the post. Why do you think mainstream companies have anon whistle blowers. Lee's doing the same thing and those threads are listed as Fucked or Fiction with the question as to if it's really an issue or just shit stirring. Does doing it this way create a more neutral responsibility on Lee's part. Well, I think so, how about you? I know a lot of posts are judged not only on the name attached to them but also on the IP to validate the poster. But come on, we've all seen those "test" posts on the boards where folks are testing anonymizer sites, so logging IP's doesn't really prove crap. As to having folks register, they'd give fake info if they wanted to so why add a useless step into the process. Lee, you go girl, stand your ground. I know your business ethics and I think folks are jumping the gun on you with this new site. And let me say right now that I'm not affiliated with fuckedmaster.com beyond openly supporting Lee on it, my interests are with OTR as it's director of operations. I should have been involved here long ago, now you guys won't be able to get rid of me, now where the hell is my GFY. Peace, |
Taz, GOFUCKYOURSELF!
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And Welcome to the FUCKING BOARD YOU FUCK.
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I think Shunga had the best idea (no offense, all others were good).
If you have it where only registered users may post and log their IP and require a "webmaster" addy....not a free one like yahoo, etc. than you have a greater chance of people not doing wrong. But, the bottom line is, if you have a board like this...you have to expect people using different names, IPs, etc. just to slander for purely malevolent reasons. It would make it very hard for a webmaster to know who is truly being screwed and who is just trying to slaughter the competition. |
Anyone can spread rumors or lies or even start their own webmaster board.
I trust the friends that I have made in this biz over the years... and they trust me... I think that's more important than making money. In other words I have no problem with anonymous speech -- it's all anonymous anyway when you think about it. 12Clicks can tell me to sit back down in the peanut gallery on the GFY board -- but would he look me in the eye and say that? I would kick his ass if he did. I learned you can't trust anyone online when I was 12 when I had a BBS -- some guy on my system pretended to be a friendly programmer that had coded a very useful ANSI tool for my BBS. When I went to execute it -- I discovered that it was a personalized trojan horse with ASCii RIP grave stones with my name on it, my brother's, and my co-sysop's... *laugh* fortunately that guy was an idiot because his trojan tried to destroy the FAT on my C: but I executed his program on the D: and his trojan crashed and didn't even work! hahaahah... Do you remember the Good, Bad, and Ugly site? Is that still up? I used to check on that page frequently until I actually tried the programs that were recommended and they sucked... "The truth will out" ------------------ ...from the nectar of the Bone flows all that clicks... |
hey, I've got it, just make another netpond! But this time have a commentary section for each post. yeah, that's it, and then, go to another board and spam, er, I mean ask questions about what webmasters want in a board. yeah, that's it.
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Hehehe 12clicks that's pretty fucking funny...
Oh yeah I don't do this for fun -- I forgot... ;) |
FLY,
If we had them register to "give them more weight" how do we know the info they used at registration is valid and not bogus just to complete this step we added [signing up]. Does GFY prohibit use of free email accounts when signing up to this board? There are so many ways to get around "details". Gawd, 12 Clicks don't want another Pond! :-) ------------------ http://www.cybererotica.com/money.html - HardCrank $40/member [URL=http://www.fuckedmaster.com http://www.fuckedmaster.com - Controversial Chat Board[/URL] http://www.falconfoto.com - Niche Content |
A new poster is anonymous in the sense that they haven't built up an identity through their posts. A post has more weight when the poster's name is familiar. I don't think their details are all that important in comparison. But having the option to be anonymous might be useful, although it WOULD be abused, and you'd have to be prepared for that, and read anonymous carefully, just as you do new posters on other boards.
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Thank-you Shungra, you arrived at what we arrived at after talking to so many ppl. We will just keep a close eye on the posting and try to curb the abuse which is at any board.
Thank you all for giving me some perspective. Because I am so Free Speech, and will not buckle the site under peer pressure. You all rock, so go fuck yourself! :-))) |
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Although it hurts me to do so, I have to agree with 12clicks ? anonymity creates a haven for cheats liars and spreaders of malicious rumour. Jealousy can bring out the worst in some people.
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Anonymity creates a haven for cheats liars and spreaders of malicious rumour.
============================================ Yes, but cheats, liars & the malicious webmasters do this on most boards anyways, difference is they give a "Nick" name made up in 1 second, do no email [or use bogus one]. Message boards for the most part are havens for the abuse folks fear we will generate. But if this is the only fear for this kinda board, then I can assume, this is it? Please check the site and let me know. We have listened to your thoughts, and tried to present things to get the info out but not be malicious. http://www.fuckedmaster.com ------------------ http://www.cybererotica.com/money.html - HardCrank $40/member http://www.fuckedmaster.com - Controversial Chat Board |
With registered users, you will get webamasters who post there on occasion. Eventually, their nick will become recognized and what they say will carry more weight (or be known as BS). The cookies and name/pass can be a useful combo for helping to ensure that the poster is actually who they claim to be (nickwise anyway).
Sure, you'll still get anonymous posters whipping up a quick nick, but their first few postings would come with a grain of salt. If 10 different newbies post the same complaint (trying to substantiate 'different newbie' by the cookies/IP) then that complaint would get more merit. I personally think it'd be a good idea. The anonymous posts would still be there anyway but it'll be a more solid board in the long run when established posters are contributing and the chances of forgery are minimized. |
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I understand what you say, I know the annoying comments dribe and dribble, but our site does not discourage "whistle blowing" and if you did a whistle blow in your home town, would you not fear your house set on fire? WM want to talk and warn about issues but don't dare for fear of losing their job, does this make them a punk ass juvenile, but if they can mouthpiece thru the Fmaster site, maybe it will make a difference to some other webmasters...
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There's a big difference between whistle blowing and pure shit talk that is on the boards 90% of the time. Slander is Slander and people should be accountable for their own words and actions. I think one of the biggest problems with the boards is that they create "liquid courage", and give the typer balls the size of Texas. People talk just to be heard or to create trouble. All these pissing contests on the boards are stupid... they say that it is all in fun, but, people read it and believe it. I hear some much trash talk about me and 99% of the people have never even meet me! IF YOU ARE GOING TO SAY IT PUT YOUR NAME TOO IT...OH AND BE PREPARED TO PAY FOR IT IF IT IS A LIE!!!!!
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I agree Jenna! BTW, we talked on the phone one night during a Luke Ford interview, remember that female host? Thats me :-))
I agree about all that you said, but that has been a problem since Day 1 with message boards, newsgroups and IRC chat. PPL tolerate this on message boards, but if you create a responsible board to iron our shit comments and resolve them favorable or un-favorable, thats my goal. BTW, somebody submitted something on Page 5 of http://www.fuckedmaster.com about JennaCash...did you read it? These are your affliates talking, did this rub you the wrong way? Now by time you read this, it may be on page 6, let me know what you think. Thanks JJ ------------------ http://www.cybererotica.com/money.html - HardCrank $40/member http://www.fuckedmaster.com - Controversial Chat Board [This message has been edited by LeeNoga (edited 07-15-2001).] |
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Yes, it could very well make them out to be a punk ass juvenile. I'm a webmaster, and I have no problem posting here or at porncity or wherever, and my name is always the same. Don't like what I post sometimes? -- Then take verbal issue with me, or come see me, it's that simple. I'm not the kind of guy that feels the need to hunt anyone down and meit down their house or cave in their head, so why should I advocate a place where punks can talk shit about anyone with impunity? Quote:
Right to anonymity is one thing, but c'mon. The second that Lensman feels the need to check out a poster's IP and turn him over to the authorities over such sick shit as that, I'll support him (Lens) 100%. I'm not saying that that stuff is on your board, but what if it was? I suppose you could just delete it and delete the person's account, but they could of course sign up for another account and begin again. Why? Because you aren't tracking their IP address. And what's all this about webmasters being in fear of losing their jobs? IF they work a 9-5 job in the non-porn real world and run an adult site on the side, would it not behoove them to just do their fucking job during the day and leave the porn-mastering for after work? Just a thought. Jenna -- I can hear the frustration in your post, and I can only imagine the horrible things some anonymous assholes have said about you over the years, and how you keep goin with head held high in spite of the hurt that you'd understandibly feel by it. Just know that on THIS board, you've found a home where the vast majority of people love and admire you and your accomplishments. (and many of us lust after you like dogs in heat too http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif ) If it wasn't so early in the morning, I'd drink to you. Oh, what the hell, I'm my own boss here...."GLUG-GLUG-GLUg-gLuG-GlUg" Ahhhhhhh. OH YA, I forgot...TO JENNA!! (((hic))) <font face="Arial">___________ CD http://members.home.net/cyberdogs/An...cool_shine.gif * <a href="http://www4.smutserver.com/babes/bgnetwork/submit.html" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#27FFFC">Babe Galleries Network</font></a> < -- submit galleries here * <a href="http://www.oliver-klozov.com/cgi-bin/refer.cgi?ref=cdsmithok" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#CBE6FF">Oliver Klozov: 60% signups, 40% rebills</font></a> +High Quality free content, mthly $$ bonuses * <a href="http://members.home.net/cyberdogs/Anti-Censorship%20Site/" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#FFCCCC">Sites Against Censorship</a><font color="#EDDDDD"> Support us, support your future</font></font> |
I am against anon posters. I remember Dusty had an anon-friendly board going, and the shit people wrote about other webmasters was cruel, mean, and un-necessary. I don't buy into the "fear" factor. I've been to a convention, trust me, there is nothing to fear from adult webmasters. If you have something worth saying, sign your name.
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Hi Lee and welcome to the Board...Glad to see you finally made it over here.
Now Go Fuck Your Self!! http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif I still think that it is a good idea to keep Fucked Master the way it is. Creating a fictional Alias to use to post shit about a respected WM or affiliate program etc...is very easy. And exactly how much credibility is given to a poster who is not known talking shit about someone who is known..... and respected? I think Fucked Master needs to be taken with a grain of salt ( if you don't like what you read) and enjoyed if you do ------------------ The All NEW www.PythonVideo.com Portal Page www.pythonpays.com www.dollarmachine.com www.naughtymail.com |
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