Adult Action Cash - Pay Per Email not worth it??
 

Am I completely off my rocker here, or am I right?

AAC pays either $40 per signup or $1.25-$5 per email (qualified guests). The payout per email is decided by the ratio of qualified guests vs. paid joins. If you do worse than 1:28, you get paid per signup automatically.

To obtain $5 per email, you have to have a 1:7 ratio. That means that out of 7 qualified guests, one has to convert to a paid subscription so you can get $5 a join.

So if you're on the pay-per-email plan and you nail that 1:7 ratio, you'll make $35 for every 7 qualified guests you send.

But, if you were on the PPS plan, you'd made $40 per every 7 qualified guests as one of them is converting to a paid subscription.

The numbers are the same for all their tiers:

(1st column: ratio, 2nd column: payout per QJ, 3rd column: payout on PPE plan.)

1:7 $5.00 $35.00
1:8 $4.35 $34.80
1:9 $3.80 $34.20
1:10 $3.50 $35.00
1:11 $3.20 $35.20
1:12 $2.90 $34.80
1:13 $2.70 $35.10
1:14 $2.50 $35.00
1:15 $2.30 $34.50
1:16 $2.20 $35.20
1:17 $2.00 $34.00
1:18 $1.95 $35.10
1:19 $1.85 $35.15
1:20 $1.75 $35.00
1:21 $1.65 $34.65
1:22 $1.60 $35.20
1:23 $1.50 $34.50
1:24 $1.45 $34.80
1:25 $1.40 $35.00
1:26 $1.35 $35.10
1:27 $1.30 $35.10
1:28 $1.25 $35.00

So is it better to push their PPS program under all circumstances since you'll always make more? What's the motivation to push the PPE program?

Or do I have this all ass-backwards?

bump.

Well right now I believe they pay everyone $2 an email, no matter the ratio.. maybe i'm wrong. I think the ratio is there for cheaters. Anyway... also, I'm sure if the per signup program would earn you more money, they would pay you on the per signup program if you talk with them.

I earn an average of $4.50 per email from the per signup program.

as of july, they started paying based on their payout chart, although their stats don't reflect that.

if you were pushing the pay per email program, why would they pay you per sale instead, even if it meant more money?

as you can easily see, the PPE program will always make you less money. but by bragging about $5 per email payouts and barely mentioning their payout chart, they entice people to use the PPE program and effectively make less money.

reminds me of the PPC programs that would advertise $0.25 per click and the fine print would say it's only if you convert at 1:20.

Well, when I first started promoting them, they promised to pay me $2 per free join or $40 per sale, whichever made me more, regardless of the conversion ratios.

At $40 PPS, that means you have a 1:8.888 ratio from qualified to paid.

Round that up to 1:9 and you'd only get $3.80 per email on the PPE program.

Who cares? I get $40+ per sale and thats all I care about.

I was looking at them the other night but the thing I didn't like was the, "We'll look at your stats at the end of the month and figure out how much you'll be payed, and we'll switch you to pps if your conversions aren't good enough". Stuff like that makes me nervous.

When I asked about the pay-outs, everyone told me to take the email deal because it would make more than the pps.

Look people, these guys are easy to work with. If you want to promote them, talk to them ahead of time and they will gaurantee a minimum payout per free join for the first period or two. If you are too lazy to talk with a sponsor, then go make less money somewhere else.

sounds like a special deal they made for you.

for everyone else, they started enforcing their payout chart last month and you get paid PPE or PPS, not whichever makes you more.

on their special days, they paid $5 per free join or $50 per sale, whichever made more, regardless of ratios.

Yeah, so talk with them and get a special deal? Whats the problem? You dont see people using them coming here complaining, so they must be keeping everyone happy right?

Hey man best thing to do is contact them. I am sure you will be happy with the outcome :glugglug

Oh BTW, did you know you can change from PPE to PPS yourself, in the manage campaign area? So if you'll make more on PPS, just switch it.

these guys rock. i did some mailing with it and made about 400$ over 3 days. i got good conversions and they paid over 4$ per free signup, and i got paid for joins as well.
get their contact info off the site and msg them if you have q's. they helped me out when i had questions.

buddy, you're neglecting the fact that they're purposely deceiving everyone. i know the fact that you're flying their sig obliges you to do so. save yourself the trouble and don't post here.

the special deal you have with them does not apply to everyone else. as holly just said, they purposely decieve people.

i don't want to work out a special deal with them. i want them to be honest. the fact that they purposely decieve webmasters and refuse to show their real payouts in their stats makes me want to promote them even less.

I contacted them, and I wasn't happy with the outcome.

I, like many others, was promised $2 per join forever, regardless of ratios. "Forever" in their books is 4 months.

You really don't get it, do you?

LOL lets see what they say when they get here tomorrow, I think you are making some wrong assumptions here.

I don't recall myself complaining. I was making a fucken comment.

:thumbsup

It was heavily promoted as $2 per email regardless.

Edit: I remember it specifically because it was some special signup link supposedly. $2 per email no matter what when the normal link was for the pay scale deal.

Can you do math?

Look at the numbers in my first post. Regardless of ratio, you'll *always* make less promoting their email program than their PPS program.

If that's the case, why would they offer their email program?

They offer it because they constantly brag about $5 email signups and always neglect the mention the required ratio. So people sign up and push their email program, not realizing they can make more per signup.

Since you're so smart, and such great buddies with them, and know so much about their program, please enlighten me as to why they'd offer the email program if you get paid less.

Matt,

From personal Experience with AAC they have been nothing but good people.

My ratios have been bad at times. As well as they have been good.

I am still being paid. The whole ratio bit was to figure out what your traffic is like. and for fraud protection.

The main concern was the Email:signup ratio. If your traffic is legit which I am sure it is. You won't have a problem with them at all.

Just ICQ Grant (G-luv) He is the owner. 84-624-819

AAC 2.00-5.00 per email 40-50.00 per signup

Have to put my link in =) I support AAC in this thread. :-)

We for sure need to update the ratio on the site. For the past two pay periods the ratio has been taken out of $42, so it looks like this:

8 5.25
9 4.67
10 4.20
11 3.82
12 3.50
13 3.23
14 3.00
15 2.80
16 2.63
17 2.47
18 2.33
19 2.21
20 2.10
21 2.00
22 1.91
23 1.83
24 1.75
25 1.68
26 1.62
27 1.56
28 1.50

I completely understand where you're coming from on the $35 ratio.

The ratios work because of the delay in paid signups on a dating site. 20% of signups occur >5 days after they registered for the site (became a 'qualified guest').

And for a lot of people, I set them to $2 minimum, no matter what. If this promise was made and not delivered on for someone, please contact me, and we'll take care of it quickly.

icq 84624819

See grants post above. Moron.

just so we're clear, i think AAC is a great program. i've been promoting them for a while and i've referred close to 30 webmasters to it because i think it's a great program.

i started this post because i just wanted to clarify something. as you can see by Grant's post, i was right about what i was saying as the new payout chart wasn't showing on the site.

your complete and utter ignorance is what got me riled up and led me to post unfavorable comments about AAC.

to AAC and Grant, i apologize for anything unfavorable or false that i've said about your program.

every ppc sponsor has the same sort of deal. You always make more with pps .

Either way they kickass over many other programs like epiccash ..

And you could bitch 10 ways to sundown , but it dont matter what the ratios are , it matters what you get paid.. ( as always )

If your worried about it, then use pps , if your just here to talk trash about other sponsors then by all means keep talking..

see my above post. it wasn't my intent to talk trash.

grant and AAC are good people.

:1orglaugh

it wasn't posted when i hit the reply button :winkwink: :thumbsup

Ive never really had much luck with email programs. and this makes me wonder.

Kinda childish..

* throws sand at you and steals your apple juice

I have been promoting AAC some and I have to say is that it's a good sponsor and that the checks arrive on time.

I just hope that I will have the chance to work with AAC for a long time to come.

For the haters, that's fine, you do what you want to do. If you don't promote it, more room for me with that sponsor :)

i don't doubt your check is bigger than mine. in fact, i'm pretty sure it is. i never said it wasn't.

fact is, i don't use the same questionable "promotion" techniques that you do.

anyways, everything has been rectified by Grant both here and on ICQ. as i've said many times in the past, AAC is a great program.

I am gonna tell uncle pimp dogg on uuuu meanie head.

questionable? You have no CLUE how i promote. I get people everyday contacting me on ICQ thinking they know how I promote. They are all wrong.

i dont really think its that deceiving.. you hafta have a really shit ratio to not get paid $2.00... has anyone NOT been paid that?

and another thing is, its a great way to test your traffic without loosing too much money.

would you rather them be like every other cam site and NOT pay $2 per free join for testing their traffic? if your actually making sales then you switch the campaign to $40 per paid signup and the only money you've lost is whatever you didnt make because you were getting the $2.00 per email.

so yeah.. just my 2 cents, i like the idea.. your not really wasting traffic to see how well they convert, even if you dont get signups your not going to be empty handed :)

these are my results since I started using them a few months on the $2 per email:

80,741 hits

2,323 qualified guests (free email signups)

102 signups

$4,878.00 Gross


So with the $40 joins I would have made $4080, but I made $780 more by using the email.

Account #2

100,872 hits

1,281 qualified guests (free email signups)

59 Signups

$2,819.00 gross

So with the $40 joins I would have made $2360, but I made $459 more using the free email plan.

Both are from very different traffic streams, one is from a good free site I run and use as a traffic farm and the other is just junk domains I have in fabulous.com collecting type ins from about 200 domains.

i'm not other people. i know how you promote. at the very least, it's questionable.

you'll deny it though, so it doesn't really matter, does it?

why do people reply without reading the entire thread?

I have to vouch for detoxed's traffic. Never had a complaint, and an almost negligible credit/cb rate.

Yep, I dont make shit for money off yahoo profiles. I've experimented with it to see how much can possibly made, but I would guess less than 5% of my income is derived from Yahoo.

did either of you monkey boys look at my stats I posted a couple replies up?

Unless they are lying and I'm getting more signups then they show I have 180k clicks worth of data saying you make a little more with per email.

It's awfully close, and they knew it would be which is why it's $2 per email, cause they knew that's about the same you'd make as PPS. It's a math game and they aren't newbies, they did the math before posting the payouts.

grow up.

did you read any of either of our replies, or grants reply, a few posts up?

your stats show nothing that hasn't already been discussed.

Now now...

I would wager most everyone has used questionable traffic before.

yes, I read them all, didn't see anything, oh well, go back to your squabling children.

brush up on your reading skills ;)

the payout chart from their site that i used was out of date. they're using a different payout chart now.

AAC are good people.. rock solid support, pay for downtime, crazy promotions. grant and vanessa are so freakin flexible.. im hoping to bring in $10k next month with them alone.

Should intagrate it some how in RT ;-)

Sweet! I'm @ 1:9 and making more than I thought...you guys should update the site