SoBeGirl is charging for Model IDs
 

We are doing this to protect the integrity of the SoBeGirl collection.

Those of you that choose to purchase the documentation can rest assure that this decision makes your content more valuable than it would be if we decided to give them away for free.

Let the bombs fall. That is our policy and we are sticking to it.

Peace.

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Why do you say "we" it should be "you" we know you are the same person.



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can you please explain to me in detail how selling model id's protects the integrity of a content collection? seriously....

So for a small fee, a "webmaster" can get the real name and address of your models so that he can pay him/her a "fan" visit?


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If you don't provide 2257 documentation to webmasters who have licsensed your content, that's your business decision to make. I don't believe it's a requirement of 2257 that content producers HAVE to hand over 2257 documenation.

For webmasters who have your content and don't have any documentation to support the new regulations, then it just means they shouldn't be displaying your content.

This translates into no more content licensing of your products except for webmasters outside the US.


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As far as releasing the model IDs, i am working with several industry people to come up with an industry standard that protects the models personal information, yet still allows webmasters be compliant with their secondary record keeping responsibilities.

details are being worked out and will be posted once this gets all pulled together.

-brandon

I'm pretty sure extortion is illegal. Telling someone that if the 2257 changes go through and they want to comply and their choices are either delete any pages with content that they don't have the records for or pay for them sounds like extortion to me.

very good point....but I wouldn't worry too much about it, sobe doesn't do enough business to have anyone come back and file charges

I am currently looking into this as well.

I have some of his content and asked for the docs and was told they'd be $5 per set.

I don't know that I even spent $5 per set on his content.

Needless to say, I was pretty pissed. I thought that providing the docs upon request was required.

looks like it might be lawsuit time....i would consult with an attorney and see if you can proceed with legal action for extortion

I wouldn't call this move to charge for records "extortion". He's not forcing you to do anything.

The $5/set could be called a "handling fee" or a "service charge". Whatever he wants to call it, it's not called extortion.

what it really should be called is "bad business".

Webmasters who have his content, or any other content producer, are faced with dealing with 2257 compliance.

Most content producers already hand out blackened driver's licenses anyways, so for many, this is not a big deal.

What's in question is whether blackened out drivers license is considered a tampered document or not.



-brandon

This whole issue is confusing. I'm getting tons of past customers wanting the documents. Some of the legal minds say to blacken out the address, some say it must be legible. Until the new law is written and in stone, I'm still the 'keeper of the records'.

We have both versions ready, but I'm sure they'll be a fight if the law requires un-tampered documentation to go all over the place.

You know, I always wondered why everyone considered you a useless sack of shit, and actually thought people might be taking it just a bit too far.

Thanks for enlightening me :321GFY

Another confusing point is about the "effective date".

It's interpreted different ways about the "grandfathering".

Content that was published before the effective date (ie. sept 24, 2004) are not required to have 2257 documentation.

But first, how can you prove it? You may have purchased your content a year ago, and you put it online a year ago, how can you prove that it was published before the effective date?

How can you document when you posted an image up to prove to DOJ that it should be exempt?

The safest fallback is to treat each image as if it needs 2257 documentation, regardless of the "effective date".

This would mean webmasters banging on the doors of content producers to get the model ID.

Thiere is a huge logistical nightmare for content producers who don't already ship out blackened ID.

Webmasters will have to verified as having a license and for which specific sets/models.. and many content producers don't have database systems.

For webmasters, expect alot of delays in getting your request addressed due to some non-computerized record keeping systems of content producers.

Then there is the whole issue of should the content producer hand out blackened ID, or the full ID. For now, i would say handing blackened ID accomplishes the first real objective of 2257 which is allows the webmasters to see that the model is over 18.

If the first test case proves that blackened ID is considered tampered, then that will launch a lawsuit on the constitutionality of handing out personal info.

The legal beagles are watching 2257 and will be challenging the law. For now, compliace with current and proposed 2257 should be done in the spirit of the law..

Many content producers already sent out blackened ID.. so you can atleast know that the model is over 18.

There are many facets to 2257 in both current and proposed.. and while i do my best to help explain them, it's very generic and you should really consult an attorney if you are concerned about whether you could go to jail or not.

-brandon

Why do I have this strange sense of deja vous? :1orglaugh :321GFY

I bet my attorney could make a good case for extortiion. I bought the content and now I'm being told that I can either pay them for the models records if I want to comply with a federal law -- assuming it goes through as proposed -- or I have to delete every page on my site that has his content.

Yep, I'm pretty sure that's extortion.

EDIT: I've never purchased any content for Sobe and never will. I just said I for the purpose of making a point.

That's something I have to agree with. I'm sure everyone is a bit worried, but there is no way in hell I'd release a models contact info to hundrands of webmasters. I still think it would be a tough case for the DOJ to win if you had blacked out address for the models protection.

I think I jury could see the reason for that if John Asscrack couldn't.

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I think charging for ID is okay

Read the FightThePatent guys posts. he is the only one in here with a logical point of view. It is not extortion. You do not HAVE to be record keeper.

I don't really want you as record keeper. If you want the docs there is a service charge. Most of you got the content at a great affordable prices. You used them. You made money basically off my back after the prices dropped. You all know it.

So now this is the second life for the SoBeGirl collection. You all got it for nothing and you fucking know it. You used it and some of you who are bright made a lot of money.

If you want to keep using it legally if the new laws are ever past you will need to own the legal docs. If I were to give them away for free the content would be worth nothing. It would be traded and stolen and shared. And the 1000 or 500 or 250 dollars you spent in the first place would be lost forever.

Those that will pay the service fee for the docs will not share them because it cost them money to get them. It protects the integrity of this incredible collection and protects your investment in this content into the future. SoBeGirl is still around and has been for 5 years because of the decisions that I made. Some of them are hard and difficult but they must be done. This is just one of them. And in 5 years from now those of you still doing business with me will tell me I was correct.

The service charge is small. Even with the service charge SoBeGirl still has more affordable content than ANYONE. Let us all just be fair and all will be great.

Peace Out! I am going to take a walk to Starbucks. See you there on T Mobile..

That's a total bullshit argument. You're whining because *you* sold your content "too cheaply", and now you're trying to make up for that by ripping off webmasters who otherwise have no choice.

Not providing the webmasters who *paid* for your content with the documentation they need to continue using it will not preserve it's value, it will just make it very clear to everyone not to do business with a leech like you, ever.

It also sounds like there will be a few ass beatings as well.

If the new law goes through, we will HAVE to be the record keeper and I for one won't buy content from any provider that won't provide me with the model id and release or expects me to pay for it.

Consider this. Even without the 2257 issue on the table, it's still my responsibility to know whether a model is over 18 and I for one sure as hell am not going to take the producer's or provider's word for it that she is. I want a copy of her ID and I'd just use a provider that understood that.

If I buy a set from Sobe that costs $10 and then pay $5 for the license, how in the world would that stop me from sharing that content if I was a thief? The set still only cost me $15. D'oh.

Just a note that most content producers already provide (for free) the blackened driver's license (model id) within their sets.

Given 2257 changes, webmasters should:

1) license content from providers who will provide them with some kind of 2257 documentation (most already do)

2) review the model id to be sure it is valid (ie. a driver's license or passport) and that you can READ the birthdate. the name and address will most likely be blackened out.

3) document all your images on a spreadsheet that lists the URL of each image on your site, along with the content producer. If you have way too many images to figure this out, check out http://www.2257lookup.com


4) read 2257 for yourself and consult an attorney if you are thinking about doing a creative 2257 workaround. better to spend a couple hundred bucks now, then 5 years in jail as either a lazy record keeper or a 'pedophile' (when you couldn't prove the age of the model that looked underaged).


-brandon

haha, no shit

"sorry i gave you all that content for $5, now you have to pay $500 to make it legal"

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There was a reason you were banned Eric.

You have a choice. Get the content in bulk for about 10 dollars a set. Or get the content in bulk with IDs for 15 dollars a set.

Would you prefer I just not give the option to get the content without IDs and more affordable? I know that almost all of the webmasters who cry about the IDs never opt to purchase them.

They go for the 10 dollar sets. It is a choice. Besides, what other content providers sell great content like Sobegirl has for just 10 dollars? Who? Even with the service charge for the IDs SoBeGirl is still the most affordable content provider out there.

You all just love drama. And I am here as always to give it toyou. But this is really not news. I have been offering this option to webmasters for years. None of them ever choose to get the IDs. Now that you all think you will Have to have them you want them for free.


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any producer that wants to charge for this should be blacklisted and the producer should be outted publically, indefinately.

for those who have bought this content, i would say remove it. i know it may be costly now but in the end, you will be thankful that it only cost you the pennies or so and prevented a potential, federal suit being filed against you.

lets be honest here, most models cost about $300 to $500 per shoot, per ability (meaning solo/hc/fetish and the price is adjusted accordingly) per 8 hour day (in some instances 12 hrs). i would know cause i use to shoot models. the average producer sells this content for $75 to $100 (maybe more but not much less) per scene or however it is broken down (that is all up to the producer).

to make the money that was paid to the model back takes next to no time (depending if the producer shoots well and has traffic). to charge a customer for documents that will protect both the producer and the customer (more for the customer's piece of mind) is absurd and should be considered criminal.

my point is, stay away from producers who just won't compromise.....period. if they are not willing to give you comfort in knowing that the content you bought is safe, then they obviously do not need the money all that badly. what's to say the producer doesn't close up shop, or the place where all his/her records are kept doesn't catch on fire or even better, what if said producer drops dead. you spend 10k on content and now that company/producer is no where to be found......

and the documents are where????? what proof can you show????

this is why there are agreements signed between company/producer and customer. as long as you have a signature, sending model releases and ids should not be a task.

this new 2257 law will separate the true producers from the fly by night, wanna be's who think they have the power to do whatever they want. wait and see. just as 3rd party processors have fallen, so will these producers who say "my way or the highway".

No, I'd prefer that you never again sucked another breath into that big, Howdy Doody looking head of yours.

What in the fuck does charging for documentation have to do with making someone's content more valuable? I'm hoping this is more of your stupid board drama to help sell your shitty content and support your latent cock addiction. If you're being serious, I honest to god hope some of your customers come to your house and beat the ever living shit out of you.

Stick to what you know and keep hanging out naked in your house and taking faggoty pictures of yourself, flip flop boy.

Your charging for documentation? So basically its a choice of either have content that is a liability or pay more to make it legal?

LOL your too much Eric..talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

holly, could you tell us all how you REALLY feel? :winkwink:

Can't do shit about it now, if this law is passed then I'll have to pay you around 1500 to get the ids I need to keep my previous investment legal. So you and your little blackmail game win.

By the way, I was NEVER offered an option to purchase id's along with the content you sold me in the first place.

You suck

what a joke sobe is

haha 10$ man you are really desperate arent you. throw all your content out. fucking mcdonalds will make you more.

ya fucking bum, or better yet. submit tranny galleries. ya no talent assclown.

The price for everything is ngo...

I ask for 5 dollars per ID per set.. If you have 200 sets then that is 1000 dollars. I am willing to make deals on that price but you will not get them for free. Sorry. :-)


I still love all you guys. Those who have purchased the IDs know they got something special. And that is the point.

Well..I know where I WON'T be buying content from..lol

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Maybe AmaContent will provide licenses for Sobe's stuff. :1orglaugh

thats some fucking bullshit right there if you ask me

Sobe was banned. Ban this fucking nick too.

Erik your content is garbage. My fucking dogs could take higher quality pictures than you. You've always been a fucking idiot. You're fila fag flip flop ass should come to a show one day .. There's a ton of people that want to "show you some love".

I have the first 50 "sets" of the absolute worst content to ever be "produced". It's sitting in a fucking pile somewhere. USELESS just like the man who made it.

Die assclown.

::edit:: the quote above was grabbed at random :-)

I do believe it's smart to wait until the proposal becomes law before sweating bullets, or before making stupid announcements that could alienate you from your primary client base.. not that anyone has done that yet...

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if most content providers charged a higher rate for content including docs. My reasoning:

Content providers will see their costs go up because of 2257

Content providers will either raise all rates to cover the new costs, or, will have two pricing structures - 1 with extended (2257) docs, 1 without (with maybe the current level of documentation).

It's business, it's cost of sales. A provider can't just eat that increase.

I'd think they would raise prices across the board. But, I don't know how extensive an individual content provider's record
keeping system would be.

However, I'd personally eat the cost of providing documentation on "old sales", and factor the new prices in on new sales only.

I think.

That's a great observation. I know many content producers are going through alot of expense to digitize all their model id and releases.. paying money to spend time in blackening out ID, and to then deal with webmaster support when the time comes to deal with all of this.

Some content producers already have their 2257 info in place (stored inthe folder of the image set).


2257 compliance will have a cost on webmasters side as well. whether through hiring somone to manually catalog images, use a service like mine at 2257lookup.com, or use a content management system.

2257 is a record keeping statue, no different than accounting.. some people will work their own books, others will hire an accountant.. same as true with 2257.

If you are not doing anything at all, then you have a bigger probability of being tagged. Throw in no 2257 statements on your home page and young looking models, and you have everything needed for a personal bomb.


I am not one to say the sky is falling.. 2257 is NOT the end of the industry.. it's the end of not taking business seriously, and the beginning of running your business like a business.



-brandon

What are your thoughts on Canadians and the proposed new 2256 regulations.

Also, if Gallery makers are using sponsor content only, will linking to the sponsors 2257 info be enough? I'm guessing no, because the images are on a new URL now?

So old.

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another reason not to buy shit from you.

Not sure about implications to canadian webmasters... if you host in the US, then there is angle for the need for compliance.

For people building galleries with sponsor "free" content that has been provided to them.... if those images are sexually explicit, and they are hosted on your server, then you have 2257 issues.

I talked to some programs and they are cutting back on the "hardcore" images. No penetration or masturbation means no 2257 requirements, and also maybe better chances of converting if all the previews are "softcore".


-brandon

At the ABSOLUTE worst I would let the ones that have already bought it have it, and make FUTURE purchases fall under this if you feel the need to charge people for this anyway..... which just seems ridiculous to me in the first place.. but why make those who have paid for content already have to go back and pay you again for this information?

And as for who else can give me this peace of mind without charging me a lot of money? Why, sir, I will tell you........ I get content from A few places that offer me this and I don't have to pay for it, it just comes with it by default, mind you their name and where they physically live is blacked out, but not their date of birth..... but I get content from a few places where I don't have to pay extra for this.

What you are doing here to people already holding your content who have purchased it at YOUR prices is just plain insanity. Regardless if they paid a dime for it, or $500 a set, they paid what YOU sold it for...... and to make them now go back and pay you more to continue using it, well, that's just crazy. If you HAVE to charge for this, do it for sets bought from here out.... if that's what gives you a hardon.. but not those who already own it.

Well said!

Ditto