Update system for member areas
 

I had a thought... Im not sure if anyone has done this or is doing this, but it seems like a good idea. Please give me your opinions on this. pros, cons.

Say you are just starting a brand new site with 16 episodes in the member area and updating with a new episode every week.

In this case, you would be adding a 17th episode after 1 week, 18th episode in 2 weeks and so on... Therefor, if someone were to signup for the site 4 months after it opens, they are going to see 32 episodes in the member area. Where the guy who signed up the first week open only saw 16 episodes.

Why not just have a system that makes the surfers/members see the same 1-16 episodes no matter when they signup. Then 1 week later #17 is available, week 2 #18, and so on...

So now, if member A signs up today, in 4 months he see's 32 episodes. When member B signups up in 4 months, he only sees 16 episodes. It's like a linear process, one members user/pass will show diff amounts of content in the member area when you login.

If nothing else, this would be great for sites with limited updates. Say you only have 50 scenes for your site, you start with 16... in 34 weeks you are going to run out of updates. So your later members are going to think you gave up on updating. Whereas with this method, you would be good to go for 34 weeks of updates no matter when a member signed up. That's 8 months of updates to keep your surfer happy. Not many last that long anyhow.



Sorry soooo looooooong~! :2 cents:

This can be done in adultwebware's software already, been that way for some time.

Nice, thanks. :)

Anyone make use of this feature???? Got any feedback?

Your sig gave me a siezure.

that is a nice feature, i had no idea adultwebware did this

TOO BAD THEY AREN'T INSTALLING ANYMORE

ROFL

Great idea actually I think i'll have to give it a shot on a trial basis.. Thanks for the idea:thumbsup

Intresting idea, but are you going to update the tour with the newest content. If i was a sufer and i saw a hot ass trailer on the tour, and it's not in the members area yet I would be pissed.

They are installing still. There site is just being overhauled.
Just contact nick, he will get you set up fast.

wish I had known that, already went with sitedepth (which I do love, but this feature sounds nice)....

very misleading on the site

Well, this feature was removed because nobody really used this kind of rotation (it was named as "per users rotation"). If you really want this feature, we might consider adding this feature back.

Yes, we are installing for our Clients only, and cannot accept new ones until the official release, sorry about that.

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That is a great idea! I get around the problem by simply rotating out old content when I add new stuff. I throw them some archives now and then, and they seem to be happy. :)

Why would you even consider doing something like this?
It seems like a horrible idea.

Who do you think is going to likely stay past the trial period - the guys who logs in and see 16 episodes, or the guy who logs in and see 32 episodes?

Seems like a no brainer to me.

edit - And if you only film a site and cap it at 50 episodes, yet plan to keep the site around forever, then you're making a bad decision.

The more quality content you can offer, the better. PERIOD.

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Really depends, with user download speeds hitting 3mbps, grabbing the 32 episodes is quick and easy. Sucking the site dry during a trial could be very common.
Now if they know there will be a new scene every so many days, they may stick around for a bit. Then to counter the people signing up for trials once every month or two to snag all your content, make it clear they need to remain a member to get the updates.

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Both I would agree with.

I never purchased it, but the demo was pretty slick.

http://www.updatem.com/

There's a much smaller chance of a surfer 'sucking a site dry' with less content than there is with more content. So if the surfer doesn't suck the site dry within the trial, then there's a great chance they'll convert to full membership.

It's all theoretical, but it makes perfect sense. Only a test would let you know for certain... however if the software is already available for this - why aren't bigger, better sponsors using it if it's so effective?

Check out Nasty's model. They're the top reality sponsor around, and they offer members ALL the content up front, while also making it clear about the contant updates of quality content.

Still seems like a no brainer to me. However I do see the problem with a person signing up for a trial, grabbing as much content as they can during that period, cancelling, and repeating the process until the site is "sucked dry." And honestly, there's no good way around it, unless you use DRM, but surfers hate that.

I think that the opportunity cost of these trial-only surfers is well worth it to increase the overall conversion rate from trial to monthly.

AdultWebware has 4 basic content rotation algorythms for automatic updates. What is offered by updatem was named "per-user rotation" which was removed from AW last december to to lack of use. That kind of rotation is really not that good as "real stack rotation"

Most paysites driven on adultwebware are automatically updated that way. You can also add real new content which will be mixed with that rotation automatically, or use manually scheduled updates. That is the most used feature in AW.

Let me know what is your choice for content updates. I have spoken with many paysite owners and not many of them liked the idea for per-user rotation (none of them, to be exact).

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In AdultWebware v4.0 you will be able to show different content for trial users and separate content for full membership members. That might make better trials convertions.

But to mention about per users automatic updates, let's imagine the following situation:

1. Member "iamuser" logged in as "iamuser"
2. he stands for 1st week, say 16 gals shown
3. he stands for 2nd week, say 32 gals shown
..
4. he cancels his membership
5. he comes back and gets newlogin name "iamuserxxx"
6. everything begins from the starting poing of 16 gals and he might be pissed off.

That is why more smooth automatic updates are of better use.

Excellent point. There's no incentive to come back after a hiatus. The system would have to recognize hima nd let him pick up where he left off.

I would make sure the scenes on the tour were included in the 16 episodes I started the site with.

And I know that many members signup, grab all the content... cancel, then wait a few months, signup again, grab all the new content, cancel.... and so on. This would offer a discount to signup again and when they signed up again, the system would remember them and would display all the episodes/updates they wouldve got had they stayed.

As for the 16 vs. 32 thing.... I agree, 32 is better. But it's almost like the member area would be brand new to every person who signed up. Our retention is insane right now and we are fairly new, which leads me to believe that it doesnt make that big of a difference.

fuck 16, maybe i will start with 32 in there. then impliment the system.

for the tours that so many sites are going with nowadays with all the episodes listed it's a problem if you're going to stagger/rotate what members get to see - Ganga i dont see how just including the 16 episodes that a member starts off with solves it - you're going to have other episodes on the tour that the member won't be able to find inside cuz you don't have him scheduled to see them until he's been a member for awhile. i don't see how that kind of tour works with the system you are talking about.

That is not a problem with this if you would rotate content/episodes equally for all members, not individually per each member. For example always show 70-80% of content and the other 30-20% add as "fresh updates". In that case you can also rotate episodes on tours as well, with AdultWebware v4.0, i.e. each episode may have own part on tours too and they are all online/offline simultaneously.

hmmm... let affiliate choose which episodes are displayed on tour and those are the same episodes within the member area?

I will think of 10 ways to do it. ;)

I already have a cms solution, it is not quite what I'm looking for, but for now it works. Due to the nature of my main site, the update feature per user login/week would work out well. However I can see how for most sites it would not really be beneficial. To each their own I suppose.

I do however like your product, and would check it out more in the future.

I admit I am not totally sold on the method that Ganjasaurus, however...

1. At this point we are not offering trials and are rebilling at >60%.

2. We are in the unique position when we have 50-75 exclusive episodes for most of our sites, so starting a member with 32 would still leave them 25-30 weeks of updates. In some cases more.

3. If you throw it all out there at once, a member has nothing to look forward to and I think by showing what is coming up in the weeks to follow will aid with retention.

Like I said - I'm not 100% sold that this is the way to do it, but we are discussing it.

Elli, you could probably update your site with pictures of you in a <insert costume here> outfit (I was thinking wookie...) and your users would be happy! :Graucho

That must be an inside joke, give us some real advice please!

hey you guys already have 50-75 episodes in the member area already for all your site?

i think its pointless
what about when you update your tour with newer content and they cant view it once they signup?

Why not Updatem ?
http://www.updatem.com/

There's no real reason to just slap everything up alll at once either when you can present frequently updating content to each individual member. Unless you're going to update frequently ( at least daily ) anyway.

1. Imagine adding urls to each gallery you have in updatem (if you have at least 300, but usually there's 900+ galleries on average). +If each gallery has more than 1 page?

In adultwebware this is done automatically, no need to make a list og galleries you need to place in rotation. But any kind of custom rotation is possible at the same time (for example, rotate brunettes pictures with 3 new gallery each day, lesbians -- only 1 each 3 days, videos -- 1 video each 2 days, etc).

2. As I've said above, that kind of rotation - individual rotation per member - is useless. At least nobody from our clients with 250+ paysites in total used per-user rotation. The arguments are listed above.

Wondering if anyone using updatem at all.

Well, in this case that would be a wise point to show like 40 exclusive episodes to all members (if no trials there), then add 1-2 episodes per week, for example. Show them as updates on tours to increase signups ratio. You can also shoot some new episodes and upload them, they will be placed on the top of updates queue.

That would make you sure that your site is always updated in months in advance (17-35 weeks in our case). So you can concentrate on promotions and new content shoots etc.

That is how real rotation works in AdultWebware.

Thanks for the info on adultwebware - we wil;l have to check it out.

Actually we added the option to allow content/updates to 'stack' while the member has not logged in as well, and the updates are still per-user... there are a few new features not reported on the site yet ;)

But Updatem is not our primary project...it's just one of our old tools that we used to use & decided to revamp and recode it in Php/Mysql for public consumption.

That in mind... eventually (sooner than later) we'll be releasing it as open-source or something like our other scripts so people can play with it more :)

Usless?

Mention this thread and AdultWebWare & Get $250 off the Updatem megabundle.

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Updatem has a setting to show unseen updates to your members first, (or you can just have it follow the path).

You can rearrange the update path/sequence any time you like.

So new members would see the newer content, and old members would gain access to the newer "new content" before the unseen content that was pushed ahead (hope that made sense).


As far as all this Updatem bashing from AWW goes...

I've already addressed AWW in another thread on these same issues... but apparently, with their upcoming release of AWW4.0, he just wants to trash the product and suggest that it has no purpose in the market.

I've explained to him before - Updatem was never meant to go head to head with the likes of AWW, ContentGod, MAS etc... because it is not a content manager.

I guess he just feels threatened that Updatem is always brought up (with praise) in threads like these.


Anyway, think of it more as a simplified Update Manager and not a content manager. If you want a something to build galleries for you, try Awiz + Updatem or Aconman+Updatem, or go with a complete solution like AWW, Content God or MAS if you have the budget for that.

AdultWebWare when is the new system going to be availible for purchase? We are looking to purchase one soon and wanted to demo your system before we purchased anything? Hit me up on icq if you can

We coded this same exact feature as part of the content management systems that we were developing for one of our customers for a couple of his paysites. If you are interested in more details hit me up on icq 3683470.

i can vouch for that :thumbsup

Lots of good info here. This has turned into quite and informative thread.

Ya, thanks for all the info people! We are trying to figure out the best way to go about this.

I don't think this is a good idea . What I think is a good idea is adding 2 scenes a day when the member join so he stays after the free trial

I'm pretty sure that all of the software talked about here can do that. I know Updatem can. Not sure what you don't think is a good idea here.

Just make mine open source so it's not encoded anymore. :thumbsup

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