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  • Choker
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2001
    • 9024
    #1

    2 Disturbing trends I have noticed

    The last 6 months I have noticed less and less surfers coming to my sites with refering domains. I have heard that most new pcs are shipped with some sort of Norton software that hides refering domains. Anyone heard of this?

    I have also noticed that more and more paysites are buying traffic from me that do not have affilaite programs at all. In the past many paysites bought from me to try out new tour pages as they could get very accurate results on each one as my traffic is consistant month after month. But in the last 6 months I have many paysites who buy on a regular basis. It seems that many new paysites do not want affiliate programs. Maybe it is because all the affiliate fraud?
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    • Nysus
      Confirmed User
      • Aug 2001
      • 7817
      #2
      No, I think it's just smart business. Affiliate programs exist to access traffic you can't likely get otherwise. You keep more money if you can get the traffic yourself.

      Matt
      What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

      Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

      See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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        • Fabuleux
          Confirmed User
          • May 2003
          • 2543
          #3
          Originally posted by Choker
          The last 6 months I have noticed less and less surfers coming to my sites with refering domains. I have heard that most new pcs are shipped with some sort of Norton software that hides refering domains. Anyone heard of this?
          It's increasing but the traffic without referrer is only a few % (at my sites). It's done by the Norton Firewall. It shows somethink like this as referrer:
          XXXX:++++ (blocked by privacy protection software)

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            • Nysus
              Confirmed User
              • Aug 2001
              • 7817
              #4
              Regarding the referrer not being passed on, it makes sense from a privacy point of view. It'd be a bit annoying if you're a stats junky and trying to figure out where your traffic is coming from. It'll really make a lot of business models really unsafe. Not knowing where your customers come from wouldn't be a good thing.

              Matt
              What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

              Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

              See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                • aflex
                  Confirmed User
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 3127
                  #5
                  Originally posted by Fabuleux
                  It's increasing but the traffic without referrer is only a few % (at my sites). It's done by the Norton Firewall. It shows somethink like this as referrer:
                  XXXX:++++ (blocked by privacy protection software)
                  good post, i seen a couple of them as refferal url's.. had no clue wtf it was.
                  self made mothafucka.

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                    • Choker
                      Confirmed User
                      • Apr 2001
                      • 9024
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Nysus
                      Regarding the referrer not being passed on, it makes sense from a privacy point of view. It'd be a bit annoying if you're a stats junky and trying to figure out where your traffic is coming from. It'll really make a lot of business models really unsafe. Not knowing where your customers come from wouldn't be a good thing.

                      Matt
                      Well if this is bundled with all new pcs running windows, lots of coders are going to have to re work their scripts. Think about the affect this has on trading traffic.
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                      Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com

                      The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/

                      Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers.
                      http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

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                        • freeadultcontent
                          Confirmed User
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 9976
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Choker
                          The last 6 months I have noticed less and less surfers coming to my sites with refering domains. I have heard that most new pcs are shipped with some sort of Norton software that hides refering domains. Anyone heard of this?

                          I have also noticed that more and more paysites are buying traffic from me that do not have affilaite programs at all. In the past many paysites bought from me to try out new tour pages as they could get very accurate results on each one as my traffic is consistant month after month. But in the last 6 months I have many paysites who buy on a regular basis. It seems that many new paysites do not want affiliate programs. Maybe it is because all the affiliate fraud?
                          Your selling to paysites again? Please give details, I loved your traffic.

                          Exclusive Ethnic & Microniche Sites

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                            • Donny
                              As you wish...
                              • May 2002
                              • 13754
                              #8
                              Originally posted by freeadultcontent
                              Your selling to paysites again? Please give details, I loved your traffic.
                              I, too, would be interested if you're selling to paysites.

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                                • BMI Lace
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Mar 2004
                                  • 16116
                                  #9
                                  Choker, I need a few minutes of your time if you dont mind. Hit me up on icq whenever you get a few....thanks

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                                    • xclusive
                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                      • Apr 2004
                                      • 35218
                                      #10
                                      Norton has fucked up my computers twice and now they are fucking with my referers? Damn bastards...

                                      I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /


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                                        • iwantchixx
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • Oct 2002
                                          • 12860
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Choker
                                          The last 6 months I have noticed less and less surfers coming to my sites with refering domains. I have heard that most new pcs are shipped with some sort of Norton software that hides refering domains. Anyone heard of this?

                                          I have also noticed that more and more paysites are buying traffic from me that do not have affilaite programs at all. In the past many paysites bought from me to try out new tour pages as they could get very accurate results on each one as my traffic is consistant month after month. But in the last 6 months I have many paysites who buy on a regular basis. It seems that many new paysites do not want affiliate programs. Maybe it is because all the affiliate fraud?
                                          It has nothing to do with affiliate fraud. A lot of webmasters who open paysites realize they can make more long term from self promotion as oposed to handing over banners and content to inexperienced webmasters who dilute their marketing.

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                                            • Babaganoosh
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                                              • Nov 2001
                                              • 15841
                                              #12
                                              If all traffic trading scripts would allow you to send traffic using

                                              http://www.yourdomain.com?mydomain.com that would help a lot.
                                              I like pie.

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                                                • pornguy
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                  • 62910
                                                  #13
                                                  I have never had any problems with Norton. its that macafee crap that always kills me.


                                                  As for the traffic thing. I am using chokers traffic on my tgp.

                                                  www.adultswebsites.com


                                                  and we also bought some for one of our pay sites that is not part of our aff program. We had had most of the traffic paid out, and the conversion was crappy. Sorry to say that choker..


                                                  BUT the traffic for the general TGP has done great. the click throughs are great..


                                                  Not to worry choker, we will be making some changes and getting more traffic soon.
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                                                    • Holly
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                      • 10017
                                                      #14
                                                      In my tracking script they show up as:

                                                      blockedReferrer
                                                      Hidden-Referrer

                                                      I also get a few "null" and "undefined" but I think that's something else.
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                                                        • Fabuleux
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • May 2003
                                                          • 2543
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
                                                          If all traffic trading scripts would allow you to send traffic using

                                                          http://www.yourdomain.com?mydomain.com that would help a lot.
                                                          That would help the cheaters a lot

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                                                            • Babaganoosh
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                                                              • Nov 2001
                                                              • 15841
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Fabuleux
                                                              That would help the cheaters a lot
                                                              Not at all. You can spoof a referrer just as easy.
                                                              I like pie.

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                                                                • EviLGuY
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                  • 12745
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Choker
                                                                  The last 6 months I have noticed less and less surfers coming to my sites with refering domains. I have heard that most new pcs are shipped with some sort of Norton software that hides refering domains. Anyone heard of this?
                                                                  This is the wave of the future really.. I expect we'll see more of this as all those firewall programs just copy each other feature-wise.

                                                                  As for buying traffic.. it makes sense when you find a good source to buy all you can. You have decent traffic Choker. Most traffic brokers are shit though...

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                                                                    • Choker
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                      • 9024
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                      I have never had any problems with Norton. its that macafee crap that always kills me.


                                                                      As for the traffic thing. I am using chokers traffic on my tgp.

                                                                      www.adultswebsites.com


                                                                      and we also bought some for one of our pay sites that is not part of our aff program. We had had most of the traffic paid out, and the conversion was crappy. Sorry to say that choker..


                                                                      BUT the traffic for the general TGP has done great. the click throughs are great..


                                                                      Not to worry choker, we will be making some changes and getting more traffic soon.
                                                                      NP at all man. One of the reasons I "publicly" do not sell to paysites is because you need certain types of tour pages to do good with this traffic. The typical paysite tour page is not good for my traffic. IE I send some unsold traffic to Nasty Dollars sites. When I count the sales versus traffic sent, I am making over $3 per k, not bad for unsold traffic that I need to get rid of. Now if I owned paysites like Nasty Dollars has I would say I would be making $6 per k for the traffic. So for paysites like thiers with NEW UPDATED tours on a weekly basis my traffic does very good on. Maybe not worth it for a affilaite but for the owener yes.

                                                                      The only details for this for guys that are asking is just a clean site, no consoles or tricks. I don't require free samples but it is highly recomended. Again I judge the Nasty Dollars tours as the sort of paysites that work very well with my traffic.
                                                                      ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466

                                                                      Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com

                                                                      The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/

                                                                      Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers.
                                                                      http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

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                                                                        • Basic_man
                                                                          Programming King Pin
                                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                                          • 27360
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Choker
                                                                          The last 6 months I have noticed less and less surfers coming to my sites with refering domains. I have heard that most new pcs are shipped with some sort of Norton software that hides refering domains. Anyone heard of this?

                                                                          I have also noticed that more and more paysites are buying traffic from me that do not have affilaite programs at all. In the past many paysites bought from me to try out new tour pages as they could get very accurate results on each one as my traffic is consistant month after month. But in the last 6 months I have many paysites who buy on a regular basis. It seems that many new paysites do not want affiliate programs. Maybe it is because all the affiliate fraud?
                                                                          Wut? Are you crazy? So you think we all fraud?
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                                                                            • Babaganoosh
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                                                                              • Nov 2001
                                                                              • 15841
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Basic_man
                                                                              Wut? Are you crazy? So you think we all fraud?
                                                                              Where the hell did he say that? Are you implying that NO affiliates cheat?
                                                                              I like pie.

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                                                                                • freeadultcontent
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                  • 9976
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Choker
                                                                                  NP at all man. One of the reasons I "publicly" do not sell to paysites is because you need certain types of tour pages to do good with this traffic. The typical paysite tour page is not good for my traffic. IE I send some unsold traffic to Nasty Dollars sites. When I count the sales versus traffic sent, I am making over $3 per k, not bad for unsold traffic that I need to get rid of. Now if I owned paysites like Nasty Dollars has I would say I would be making $6 per k for the traffic. So for paysites like thiers with NEW UPDATED tours on a weekly basis my traffic does very good on. Maybe not worth it for a affilaite but for the owener yes.

                                                                                  The only details for this for guys that are asking is just a clean site, no consoles or tricks. I don't require free samples but it is highly recomended. Again I judge the Nasty Dollars tours as the sort of paysites that work very well with my traffic.
                                                                                  Fucking A man great. I knew you used to do this and I was converting at fantastic rates. I am so stoked that your taking on some more sites like this.

                                                                                  So whom do we contact, anyone is specific or shall we just hit you up?

                                                                                  Exclusive Ethnic & Microniche Sites

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                                                                                    • pornstar2pac
                                                                                      Omaha Hi/Lo
                                                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                                                      • 17380
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      The Industry is changing. wait till you see what happens...
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                                                                                        • Nysus
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                                          • 7817
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                                                                          The Industry is changing. wait till you see what happens...
                                                                                          I agree, it will become more professional, of course it will still have partying; all industries have parties.

                                                                                          Matt
                                                                                          What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                                                          Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                                                          See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                                                            • Choker
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                                              • 9024
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by freeadultcontent
                                                                                              Fucking A man great. I knew you used to do this and I was converting at fantastic rates. I am so stoked that your taking on some more sites like this.

                                                                                              So whom do we contact, anyone is specific or shall we just hit you up?
                                                                                              Just submit your site as a free site. After it is approved just make a payment. After I approve the payment you can add traffic to it and set a force.
                                                                                              ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466

                                                                                              Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com

                                                                                              The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/

                                                                                              Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers.
                                                                                              http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

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                                                                                                • Choker
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                                  • 9024
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by BMI Lace
                                                                                                  Choker, I need a few minutes of your time if you dont mind. Hit me up on icq whenever you get a few....thanks

                                                                                                  303634866
                                                                                                  hmmm, when I input your icq number and do a search, nothing happens
                                                                                                  ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466

                                                                                                  Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com

                                                                                                  The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/

                                                                                                  Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers.
                                                                                                  http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

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                                                                                                    • johndoebob
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                      • 3405
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      I also noticed lots of +++++ referers, but that kind of privacy is bullshit in my opinion.I guess that's the only thing norton is able to do because their anti virus software is crap³.

                                                                                                      Why should paysite owners pay 50-80% to their affiliates if they can get the same revenue for less money?

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                                                                                                        • Serge Litehead
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                          • 5190
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          i've been saying that for some time, probably posted on your board. if a computer has norton internet security installed browser doesn't pass full headers to the server, mainly it hashes the server refer string. i'm sure many other firewall will folow this trend. instead of relying completly on your access logs you should assign your trades a unique id and track your traffic by that id.

                                                                                                          when you tell your trades to send traffic to
                                                                                                          http://www.yourdomain.com/
                                                                                                          tell them to send to something like
                                                                                                          http://www.yourdomain.com/?id=trade_id
                                                                                                          add few lines of code to store clicks coming from that id.

                                                                                                          i have most of my traffic coming from SEs and about 25% have no refs, i know this because i don't do trades on that domain, typing highly unexpected too, and i also run norton internet security, so i've played with logs turnin NIS on and off.

                                                                                                          to summirize above, if your surfer runs notron internet secirity firewall you cannot track where he came from by looking at your server access logs

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                                                                                                            • fr8
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                                                              • 5074
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by iwantchixx
                                                                                                              It has nothing to do with affiliate fraud. A lot of webmasters who open paysites realize they can make more long term from self promotion as oposed to handing over banners and content to inexperienced webmasters who dilute their marketing.
                                                                                                              Keeping more money in ones pocket seems to be the way to go.
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