What are you going to do about this 2257 shit?
 

The new 2257 regulations go in effect in less than a month. My question is: What are your plans to comply?

The new requirements were published in the Federal Register on June 25, 2004; the public will have a chance to comment on them until August 24. Then the regulations come out then you have 30 days to comply. So its around September 25 th. Its good to get your records in order but the final regs could be different.

I'm not worried one bit. Granted I don't own a single image or video either, so I was never worried to begin with.

WG

you don't host any naked pics on any server that you run?

We're getting everything in order according to the new proposed regulations.
Might as well be ready for something that may never come than to not be prepared and get fucked.

Sadly most will do nothing till something happens then the panic will happen. lol

Censored adult paysite tours only. No galleries, no TGPs, no images other than the tours.

WG

If is on your server - you are responsible. As a fellow SE dude - I fear that puts us right on top of the hitlist. You need to read more about 2257.

*edit* logged in with wrong account.

i agree

censored or not, if there is implied obscenity, they will get ya

wiredguy, have you chatted with you lawyer about all this? i might recommend it...

:error :playboy

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh Thats too funny.

just move to offshore and hotlink. if google can get away with it so will you.

I live in the UK but use americas servers i'm not sure what to do yet if I live in the UK why should I comply just because I host in the states?

Originally posted by Rick Latona
"I'm listing xxxjay as my keeper of records, and then posting your home address."

What was the address of the CJ offices again?

I know, I've been delaying it for too long. I've been rather ignorant about it seeing that the stuff I've always hosted has been censored making sure no cumshots or penetration are shown. I still do need to take the time and review the proposed changes but to be perfectly honest, I'm not particularly worried. Especially with my new SE stuff, a lot of it is just redirection directly to video based tours which is the main reason I've been delaying it. My older stuff would definitely be applicable though.

WG

Not yet. It's on one of those things to do list that keeps getting bumped.

WG

I give a shit. the whole thing is BS. non-US residents simply do not care. no new US regulation can change this fact.

The trouble with taking to lawyers - if you talk to three of them - you are likely to get three different opinions.

Try putting an accountant that works for you, a tax-attorney and a federal auditor all in the same room to figure out your taxes. They all come back with three different results. Seems my accountant always has the best numbers though :)

WG

hmm

That was Paul logged in as Rick.

Talking to my lawyer next week about it. Every lawyer is going to have different opinions and solutions I would imagine. So while Person A may be told to get the fuck out of dodge, Person B will be told to sit tight and find a workable solution.

I'm not too worried just yet. If I need to drastically change the way I do things, I will. It's not as if there are many options.

moving my ass offshore

I wouldn't sleep on it, you don't want to be one of the first people they come for.

You don't need 2257 information for just a naked pic. Now if they're touching themselves in a sexual way or if they're fucking someone, that's different.

a lot of people from outside the US on this board it seems :glugglug

But its better than depending on boards or friends for legal advice. I also think lawyer opinions wont be too far off base from each other on this one.

Which is why I'm talking to my lawyer next week about it.

So it is only your responsibility if the pics and stuff are on YOUR server?

If it's on your site, but another server (like a free host) you aren't responsible?

Also, this may be another dumb question, but what about banners/advertisements? What do you do about those?

If it appears on your site - your ass is grass.

I'm going to get organized, but am going to wait until the final laws are made to make a decision.

:thumbsup

I only have non-explicit nudes. (No masturbation, no pentration, no sex.) I still have model IDs for every model whose photos you can see on my site. Can't hurt.

WHat about AVS sites? Technically.. the webmaster own the site (content) but the signup money and signup page is owned by the AVS network... You are in a way, an affiliate to your own site and their AVS network...

What about ripped DVDs? Nobody will be able to get the documentation for each models..

And what about PayPerView sites like aben..?

:glugglug

I doubt Jonny-boy really cares. He wants to clean up the internet, and he's gonna do it. He wants what he wants - no need to be reasonable.

What was it Kerry said in his speech? "I will appoint an Attorney General who will DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION!" or something like that?

Yeah, that's true. He got a lot of points from me on that remark.

Bottom line is: The reg will go into effect on 8/24. Then we have 30 days to comply, so that's 9/24. If on 11/3 Bush loses the election and becomes a lame duck -- Asshat will probably take a few parting shots at the industry before he goes back to losing elections to dead men. Then, maybe, the country will return to some sanity.

Vote Kerry.

What about the Paris Hilton Video ?
What about the Houston 500 ?

This shit is so fucked up. But I guess we will see soon who has been responsible with their record keeping and whos not

Also a good point. Should every webmaster in America have Paris Hilton's address? Seems like it would do more harm than good. How do you think the Hiltons would feel about this?

Fact is - this law is about getting easy access free porn off the net.

Bush needs to go.

I am going to have my attorney go over this shit with a fine tooth comb and try to be as compliant as possible. If that's too hard them I am off to Europe. :2 cents:

what about gallery makers using sponsors content? can't we link to the sponsors 2257 page?

also, anyone have a link for more info?

That is a possible "poor man's solution", but does not make you compliant.

If it is sponsor content don't we just link the sponsor 2257 page?

(Oops read the whole thread then reply)

Being a non-us webmaster definently has it's advantages. There is some language in the new 2257 that states "if you are involved in commerce in the US" then you are expected to comply. Like I said, not being in the US is good...ah,err...it's not like we're just going to come over to your part of the world to shove our beliefs down your throat...

Or will we?

You remember what happened in Iraq? Right?

Even if linking to their 2257 info is sufficient for ID purposes (which I don't think it is bec. you are still a "secondary producer" ) you are still required to have a DB cross referencing every URL that each model appears on.

In short: the goal is to shut down any freely accessible porn by making record keeping nearly impossible. For that matter "freely accessible" doesn't even cover it, right? its any appearance on your domains, public or not.

What about a "grandfather clause"????? Is this only for newly published shit or for anything thats out there at all? I keep hearing differing answers on that point.

That is the million dollar question.

It's is my opinion that there is no "grandfather clause".

new law, no precedent for them to look at to predict how the law will be enforced/interpreted