Investigation: Dialers dialers dialers...What you need to know.
 

Ok here's the lowdown.. We got Niteline, We got Gib, We got Live Sex Shows.. These are the three dialers on the market.. If you have a dialer, you have one of these.

Now I know you may be thinking "no i dont, I have Snow's or I have Molson's or I have Mr. Brians, dialer dough, dialerking, Miss Moo's, Gangsta Gals, the babes, etc", but the fact is they are all brokers for their respective dialer company.. I say again there are only 3 dialer companies on the market. Niteline, GIB and Live Shows, and probably 50 brokers distributing those products to you the webmaster.

Going more into this dynamic, I introduce the role of the broker, now that you know there are only 3 daier companies and 20 times the amount of brokers.. Gib, Niteline, and Live Shows all make several styles of dialers and gives it to thier "brokers" to market and distribute to webmasters.. It is up to the broker to pay us the webmaster. Webmasters never deal directly with the company only the brokers, simmply because the company doesnt have time to handle stuff.. The Broker is left with the responsibilty of answering questions, cooling people off, and getting people to use their dialer.

Contrary to what you may think, because we only see normally 35 cents a minute and charging the viewer 5.00 a minute, the broker doesnt make much money on this, they only make a penny or so, sometimes not even that! They make their Money on bulk.. That is the more people they distribute dialers to and the more minutes they get off their webmasters using their dialer the higher their rate of pay. They are simply distributers of a product, and are basically underpayed PR people. The bigger your broker usually the better rate of pay. It is best to go with a broker that has lots of webmasters under them.

Now for the type of dialers.

1) Niteline has 2 dialers.. They have a USA only dialer, and the have an interntional dialer. The USA dialer only accepts calls from USA, and pays you a flat pay rate of 35 to 40 cents a minute depending on your broker and depending on how many minutes you can give them.

The second dialer they offer is the internaitonal dialer.. They have two payment choices for you to choose form.. Either a flat rate of usually 35 to 40 cents a min for all countries (which are about 15 countries) Or you can have a pay scale choice where it is a different rate per country.. Both choices equal out to be about the same payout in the log run. in addition the niteline international dialer has an active X optional feature you can use which basically makes a popup window asking thesurfer right away to load your dialer.

Advantages/Disadvantages
First the USA dialer. Whats grat about it is the freindly warning page, and a very simple procedure for the viewer to connect.. Unlike all other dialers the nitline USA dialer doesnt require multiple tasks to connect, you just click connect, and you are connected. The disadvantage to this particular dialer is that it is USA only.. Understand that most calls are USA, but their is a large market out there not able to use your dialer.

The internaitional dialer has an advantage because it allows other countries to use your dialer, it opens the door to a lot more people.. The disadvantage to the international dialer is its warning page.. You have to click a bok agreeing you are the line subscriber, then scroll down to the bottom of a disclaimer page before it lets you connect. This in it self is a barrier to getting people to use your dialer.. So you have the larger market being international, but you are screaning out more people as well with the intrusive warning page.
Last, the niteline dialers tend to connect the viewer at a slow 24k connection, hardly fast enough to see a movie or live show.

Tomorrow I will write the review for the GIB dialer and the Live Shows dialer.. I havent typed this much since college, and I hated college.



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Since this is a niteline dialer topic here are a few niteline resellers http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif
http://www.pimpmorecash.com/ http://dialup2.com/ http://www.dialerclopedia.com/

All 3 are honest and pay on time http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif


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I think service and being payed is one of the most important things to consider....

When you test a dialer make sure you test for atleast 5 days and that the weekend is included..

Boneprone the best thing to do is test...I have tested many and what i have come up with is the sonner your payed the more your shaved.....

What happened to http://www.webmastercommerce.com/ ?

The site has been replaced by...? just in the last few hrs. Anyone know?

what dialer pays the most? which one is best?

post the url http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

They all balance out to be about the same.. Dont let someone come along and say we pay 5 times the amount the other guy does, cause it isnt true. If they are offering more, it equals out because not as many calls are getting through. The dialers that typically offer those rates that are two to three times more than the avarage dialer are usually dialers that dial into 900 numbers.. Most housholds cant dial into 900 numbers these days.. New homes with new phone accounts now days even need a writen override to unlock the lock to allow 900 number dialing.

Also many dialers offer internatioanl rates.. For some people they mind this as an edge, but all in all this too equals out in the long run to be about the same as the conventional flat rate.

Dont be persuaded by people offering rates way higher than the norm, cause in the long run it equals out.


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very well put bone prone.
just to clear one thing up..
live shows network is owned by dialerking.com

we are not a reseller for anyone.

oh and one more thing... how can you give dialer king a review when you have only done
4 calls on our dialer?? and you have had it for less than 5 days???
this should be interesting!!

Lets be fare to all 3 networks and try them for 2 weeks each.then write a review.

Uh-oh.... something is going on with WC.... looks like someone is playing nasty little games on us again...........

Ok...... I am there but it took some damn doing......

GOD I hate jealous little boys who love to play games........

WebmasterCommerce will be back to normal soon........... thanks for the heads up on that richard.

Tam

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Thanks bone. That´s what I was allways looking for to find out.
Where can a webmaster sign up and become a reseller for those companys? I have seen resellers which try to get resellers for themselfs but no site from GIB or Nite.

@DialerKing: How much do you charge the surfer for minute (US)? If you´re the owner of the hole network, why don´t you
get a website which looks a bit more professionall than dialerking.com. I think people do not sign up because of that.

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Ill post the review on GIB and Dialer Kings Live Sex Shows dialer later tonight.. Im actually in the hospital right now..



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Crippled by overwhelming phone bills http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

jop we have 2 charges 7.99 and 1.99
our software detects if the surfers #900 access is blocked then dials international . so none of our webmasters miss on bonus $$$

Damn Bone, doing some schoolin' - someone's getting a sweatshirt. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Will there be any info on the product the dialers provide to the callers?

I should have finished my entire review before I let the brokers jump in here and throw in their sales pitches.. I will go over them all tomorrow.

Dont load up that new dialer just yet! There's still a lot lot more you need to know before making your decision, and trust me dont let the broker make that decision for you.

I have reviewed them all and know all you need to know.. Just wait a bit let this thread get intrest, and the beans will be spilled..



[This message has been edited by boneprone (edited 04-20-2001).]

Where the Fuck is Vanautu?

It is a section of neighborhood in the city of Compton..
Compton is a city in California.

Fuck off Rage! Go take some insulin.

Bone, I know it might cost some money to do, but is there anyway you could test the Content of the various Dialer companies?

Ive actually connected through on a few of the various dialers Ive used (I dont remember which ones they were) and the content SUCKED ASS. That bitch DiabeticRage could make a better eye pleasing site than what I saw.

With such shitty content, I can see why my hold times are never much more than 2 or 3 minutes. I would think if one of these dialer people would actually use some decent content, the hold times could be a lot longer.

Just one guys opinion. I dont know how the dialer business works. Any Dialer Co's care to elaborate?

how can there be a true review when you have only done 4 calls now with dialerking.com??
do 100 and then your review may have some substance. I am saying this BEFORE he comments in a positvie or negative way with dialerking.com

One other thing is that bonprone has alliances with snow vip (gib network)
look at his past post "Snows GiB dialer is Boneprone approved"

Need i say anymore about this "so called" review??? rofl

I dont need to pitch...Like i said test and see what works for you.....

SNOW

Before you get all defensive, I havent tried the dialer king dialer yet. Those 4 calls on my dialer were all from me, dialing in myself to check the connection speed out and your content.. I was going to do a review on GIB next, then I was to do yours after I got some minutes on it.. So far dialer king, your dialer had the fastest connection speed, and the best content. (when I was allowed to connect, which wasnt as frequent as I liked) .. But in all due time I will review everyone, in an unbiased manner.. I think that's what the webmasters need, is someone like them or a another webmaster telling them the pros and cons of each dialer.. So far the only info on dialers weve had is from that of brokers.. Naturally they are all going to be pumping up their dialer and putting down the others. I just want to clear rumors, and let people know what is out there and the differences.. Im not here to rate the dialers, the webmasters can do that on their own. Im not here to rate brokers either.

Yes snow is the broker of the dialer I am using, but you can ask him, I have only used it for about 10 days with decent traffic. Dialerking if you give me a chance you can be boneprone approved also.

Just sit back and listen.. The webmasters are tired of you, and the other brokers telling them what to think.. Give me a chance and boneprone will tell them what to think. The past few months all weve heard about dialers are sales pitches, slander and propganda.. All from the brokers.
Now that boneprone is speaking wait till Im done, and wait your turn. Its not polite to interupt DA BONE.
I have used both the Niteline and GIB dialers extensivly, and have started to toy with the live shows dialer.. Because of the lack of testing of the Live Show dialer I said I would continue the rest of the review in a few days.. So CHILL!

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My review on dialers isnt out to burry anyone, its to let them know the difference, and to see the big picture of how this works.. As a webmaster I was confused about all the dialers out there also, along with all the brokers giving misinformation. Im not out here to say what is the best dialer because it would vary form site to site, only to let people know whats out there and who is who.

BRAVO BRAVO(Clapping).......It's all good..

SNOW

The content on my dialer belongs to a huge paysite company.It's not gibs.....

Boneprone.......... let me just say that dialer sponsors need more folks like you around......... although you are not using my dialer... and for that I am not bothered.... to each his own. but we need more people that will look at it from the prospective of the webmaster and not always the resellers points of view.

So as for me and WebmasterCommerce.... I thank you...... you are putting some class back into something that has all but turned into taboo with everyone in the business....

So thank you. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Tam

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Tam this guy is cool as fuck..I liked him as soon as we starting talking.. There is a guy named morgan who I like very much as well.

I never see morgan post here though.... There are few good people out there and a shitload of assholes... It's great to talk to these guys with energy and always in a up mood.. THATS MY STYLE

Thanks BONE and Morgan AND TAM..

SNOW

Have you heard about this New Jesus Dialer coming out? It sounds really cool, but Im not sure if it's real or not. Ive seen his posts all over the place. Here, AWI, PornCity. It seems like a really good program, .45 is a really good rate too.



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Well shit,

Bone, thanks for answering all my questions from a past post a few weeks ago http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif
Check it out.
http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/...ML/002272.html

Very cool and great information here bone.
I'm looking forward to your reviews! http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

One thing though. I still don't understand why everyone just doesn't go become a reseller for the Gib, Niteline, or Live Sex, instead of going through a broker? I've been trying to figure this out....perhaps you or someone can explain?

I want get a dialer for a few of my sites, just haven't followed up on this lately. What are the benefits on going through a broker as oppose to becoming your own reseller? Hopefully you or someone can explain. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Either way, Bravo and thanks Bone! http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif


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very interesting Bone, this is some valuable info, I have been thinking about getting into dialers. Can't wait for the reviews: http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

The Jesus Dialer may be a gift from god.. I should try it next???

Don´t forget review nocreditcard.com ..
I think they are one of the major players also in dialer biz

big ups to bone.

no credit card is a broker for GIB.

Once again.. There are only 3 dialers.. Everyone else is a broker.. They may want you to think they are the dialer compnay but they are not..

There is a new company coming out in a few weeks, but have not gotten too much info yet.

More than likly will suck, and be 900 number dialer

yep

trying to get a new dialer form bode at sextracker and see what its all about.. Ive tried em all and would like to see how it competes with the other three.

Well if anyone wanted to make their own dialer it would not be that difficult? I had a dialer 10 years ago haha -- I used to be a BBS sysop -- all these dialers are just programs that dial into a BBS type system -- you just need some custom software -- seems pretty easy for a programmer to code something to dial into a BBS w/ a bunch of phone lines waiting for calls -- but err how do you charge $8.00/minute direct through the phone bill? That's where it gets interesting probably... Anyway if somebody wants to pay me a cool million I'll build the software and set up a NOC hehe... then you can dial your ass off...

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Boneprone, can you test some celebrity dialer plz ?

Like www.CelebrityDialer.com ?

cause i need a good celeb dialer. and i think many ppl do too.

thanks in advance

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those celeb dialers are gib dialers.. Content may varry from broker to broker.

Can someone tell me exactly what the hell is a dialer?

I probably should know this but all I've heard is bad stuff about them, how they rip off surfers, and overall hurt the adult industry, so I never even tried to learn about them.

So what is a dialer?

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serious? They are things on websites that disconect the surfer to re-dial into a 900 number or some other long distance rate number to charge the viewer a perminute rate to visit a pay site.

Honestly no bull Bone i have the best celeb dialer known to man.. Celebrity dialer and vipdialer are connected.were the same guys...

54866383 SNow
[email protected] if you need a celebrity dialer...

Bone....

Has DiabeticRage given you a beta copy of his JesusDialer to test? I was talking to a few of the beta testers on ICQ...they say that the hold times are FUCKING AMAZING. Im really not sure what to think about this guy.

I thought his new dialer was The Mr T dialer? And yes Snow does have the best celeb dialer from the word I hear on the street. Give snow hit up on icq if you are intrested.

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Bone hit me up tommorow bro.....Good nite all,I think i will learn how to sleep...I used to know how...

SNOW

whats up snow? I think I missed ya!