Start Educating Surfers...
 

It's time we pushed out all the people who survive on billing tricks. More sites should have real content, easy to understand terms and be upfront about their whole billing process. AND cancelation procedure. Those that have real content or something unique to offer will survive - those that have nothing and are in fact scammers and approach the industry as such will perish and it's about fucking time they did.

who the fuck would EVER want to pay for a site only to find the members section is nothing but upsells and has no real content - and then you buy an upsell only to find MORE upsells. too many idiots have fucked the surfer over for too long on that business model. it's time for the dinosars to experience extinsion - on a mass level.

stick to your tgp .
tgp 'man'

Too many people got too aggressive and its come to the point where Visa had to step in because we couldn't self-regulate. Now that Visa has laid down the rules, its time we clean up this business once and for all.

WG

That's why we're the ONLY adult dating site with a TrustGauge ranking at 10 :thumbsup

We don't push the cancellation- but we make it easy for customers to get ahold of us. We always pay our affiliates and our content providers on time.

Spam?

WORD ! Everybody is talking about bad traffic quality compared to the old days, but it's not about too much free stuff only...someone who paid once and got nothing but shit for his money won't ever pay again.

It's his money, your money and my money lost because some cowards don't understand that offering value for money makes you alot more long term.

bye bye baby - hope you had fun while it lasted lol

No, spam would be mentioning that we pay more then any other adult personals site. :Graucho

Thanks for the oppertunity.

the only way I or anyone else on this board would truly believe you is if you had sex with me at internext next month.

Name them.

I keep my sites very clean. no upsells, no bullshit. I have great rebills and I notice a lot of customers names comming back time and time again. I guess they leave to try out other sites and return because of the points you made. I'd rather have a customer who trusts the owner, than to just totaly pick him clean the first time. I'm not putting down sites that use upsells or mazes. Just running things this way works well for me.

OH really, I doubt it equals out to more money per click than any other adult personals site :)

Ha ha- thanks for the invite but I'm spoken for. I don't think he'd appreciate me bumping uglies with strangers.:thumbsup

You never know until you try. :Graucho

Wait, are you the guy from playboy cash that walked me back to my booth in Vegas last year after the marketing seminar? If so it was nice talking to you- I was really sick that day and appreciated the company.

True.. I have seen member areas that were nothing less than fraud... That tend to discourage surfers to ever pay again $30 so they can checkout the member area...

Why don't you start a paysite, an affiliate program and show the example to the community? I'd be the first to sign up.

i knew your program didn't convert

i have paysites. currently do very well without affiliates. and i'm true to my own principals and dont' give a fuck about what you think about my example. I'm just laughing at those that are now scrambling cause they see the end as near.

:1orglaugh

And you can't declare it without trying every other program yourself. The masses are losing faith, the only solution is to sleep with whoever started the thread.

I work with alot of webmasters who have done just that and going on their feedback I'm pretty confident. Our payout structure is pretty simple, there are no gender ratios or rates only offered once a month, etc. The per email is flat, and the revshare plan is only a few small hops to 60%. ICQ me if you want more info. It would be cool if you tried the program out and let everyone know the results.

.. oh well, you got me. :waaaaahh

You know, I don't see a problem with members areas that have some upselling going on, as long as the site also contains a fair amount of content for the price paid for a membership. It's the sites that are nothing more than an 'upsell farm' that suck with huge lips.

and no condoms either. you're gona feel EVERY inch of me RAW so i can tell for sure if your program really is the best one out there!

Unprotected sex with strangers- SWEET! J/K

So I take it you're not the guy I walked back with from Playboy...

stranger? i thought we had a mental connection!

You'll need a photographer on this one. I'm available.

Your razor sharp whit makes me moist. :1orglaugh

cool, no need for lube

do you even know what tgp means?

I completely agree with you, Sleazy. I have had tons of members email me saying they took some time off from my site to go try other sites, but they realized that most of the other sites they found were ripoffs in one way or another, so they came back to me.

Mind you, I've also received a bunch of emails from people saying "I love your free area, but I can't trust a site with my money since I've been screwed over so many times before. How can you promise me that won't happen again?" Sometimes I'm able to convince them and sometimes I'm not, but the point is that SOMEONE else has so pissed off this surfer that he is no longer a potential customer.

Lost money for EVERYONE.

nothing's forever - if a surfer fnids your site and has been ripped off before and finally breaks down and pay again they WILL stay, and sites like yours make more money every year because of it.

I totally agree and I suspect many others do. But I doubt it would be so easy to agree where exactly to draw the line. I wouldn't promote most of the sponsors in the sigs of this thread (primarily over the content issue), but obviously others are perfectly happy promoting them.

Another problem is that so few sites meet reasonably high standards across the board, that were we all to promote them, you would be talking instant over-exposure.

hehe But if they are high quality sites, then they would be making more money, because the surfers who have been caught in the popup hells and whatnot out there would finally be happy to give their money away for something of quality.

stupid asswipe

Huh?

There are quite a few well-known, long-running sites that have built their business on "quality"... just not enough for us all to be promoting them and no-one else.

true true true...

:glugglug

Actually, you don't. Your lowest members get $8.78 cut per one-month membership, our lowest get $9.98 :thumbsup

Now mine isn't spam because I didn't even mention the name or have a signature hehehe :1orglaugh

educating surfers = less money for us

But what are the stipulations to the payout? Do they have to have a gender ratio or a conversion ratio to get it? Ours don't.:Graucho

Even on the lowest tier you can get up to $55.98. Do you offer up to that much on a rev share to newbies?

How much do you pay on the per-email option?

It's cool if you don't want to put your site in your sig, but I don't like to play blind. ICQ me to compare notes.

yep ...
things are improving though

No gender conversion or ratios. No stipulations at all. Long as the affiliate reaches his minimum payout (starting at 30$), he gets paid. We currently don't have a per-email program or per-signup program, only revshare, but that will change with our new version launching August 1st :thumbsup

On tier2, we also start at 10% not 3%.....

I have no sig because this is a new account and I want to keep a low profile so we can come out with more bang!, but you'll definately be seeing us come August :Graucho

Tried to add you to ICQ but it seems fucked at the moment and won't let me......you can try adding me 38373031.

Well said! For us, half of our sign-ups every month come from members who were members before, quit and are now coming back. And, since they are direct type-ins there's no referral fee to pay so it's all money that goes back into our site, or into our pockets:)

I would say that this is the only way to run a porn business, but the fact is there are a lot of people who have made some serious cash by treating customers fairly poorly. The question is how many bridges are they burning? Eventually it seems like customers will become more savvy and demand more. I think that the fact that you see so many successful review sites popping up is a sign of this.

I'm ICQing you and you're dead in the water..... starting to think your keyboard just wrote a check your ass couldn't cash?
Email me your link, and I'll check it out.

The people that are actually fucking over surfers don't actually care - which is why they do it - the quick buck.

Cheers,
Matt

idiot

How about using constructive criticism instead of being an asshole? You really could just say that he's wrong.

And really, you don't want to educate surfers.

What should be done is webmasters should only promote sites that they know have actual content, therefore their surfers are only getting to good/quality sites without 'billing tricks.'

Do you review the inside of every paysite that's advertised on your sites, your gallery submitter's advertise, those paysite's exit console sites, etc?

There's no way any individual can do that - other than using the current paysite review / rating sites.

Using those as a guide would help increase people's revenues.

So, please enjoy my constructive words of wisdom.

Cheers,
Matt

idiot

Sleazy..

The main problem is that it is actually some of the MAJOR Players in adult, that have those types of members areas.

But they also have everyone and their brother selling for them.

more and more people are moving away from that model.